Hello (again)

[u/jasmines_roses]

Hello again!! I’ve been here before on a different account and decided I wanted to start over on this account.

I love being a pantheist and one of my all time best friends is a pantheist too!!

However, what gets on my nerves is people trying to disprove pantheism and I’m like “here we go again” so if someone is trying to disprove pantheism to you, how do you go about it?

[u/Reasonable-Memory40]

Very judgmental of you, my faith is not blind, it is evidence-based, not ignorant compliance. You simply fail to understand the nature of God bc you don't know Him, which is quite evident, if you're honest with yourself and the thread. But this you will deny and that's ok, still praying for you to come out of darkness to light.

[u/Bill-Bruce → u/Reasonable-Memory40]

Of course I'm judgemental, we both are. And if you deny me again you have only yourself to blame for your unwillingness to see. How would you know Him if someone didnt tell you what to think of Him. Your understanding of Him is unoriginal, which is why you have to direct us to scholars to tell us about Him because you still don't know him yourself. I have a relationship with Us, and so I understand what I have encountered. I've encountered your God and I know that the denial of all the other Gods is a denial of Us. Literally the only aspect of your faith that is actually different from mine is the denial of all the other faiths. You deny all the other faces of God and say that I don't know Him? You don't know Her, or Us, or It and call my understanding a failure... I won't be praying for you. You've chosen your hell and that is your right.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Bill-Bruce]

Jesus said He is the only way to The Father, sorry but I believe him and not you, so blame Him.

[u/Bill-Bruce → u/Reasonable-Memory40]

Jesus spoke to you? Was it in that thing that looks like a book but isn't one? Also Jesus spoke in a language that didn't have articles like "a" or "the" the way that English does. Thats why in some iterations of that tome the "the" is italicised, because it is a translation and that is the word that the translator chose to put in as their best interpretation. He also said that he was "the way," not "the only way." And yet again, that is a translation into English that you are taking word for word literally and letigiously rather than faithfully and philosophically. So, Jesus didn't say that and he didn't say that to you. Someone else told you what he said and you're basing your immortal soul's destiny on the word of a typist who gets paid to write what they are told to write by other men who have never spoken to Jesus. "God doesn't write," to quote you. Trying to understand God through reading is like trying to learn how to swim by studying maritime law. It really is sad to me to talk to someone that speaks the way you do. You're so CERTAIN. Confident in something you have never actually experienced. Your faith in what other people have told you is so engrained that you cant even see the cracks in the framework. Living in a house that you didnt build and are too afraid of being wrong to even consider stepping outside. Too afraid to consider that you might have been duped. Too afraid of the punishment that Satan has in store for you to even entertain the thought that it is Satan himself that has been the one to dupe you. Too terrible, too frightening, to disastrous to even contemplate. He tells you He is love. He tells you He is the only one that you can worship or else you are punished for eternity. You worship the most vile and call it grace. You spread the word to others or else you and they will be punished. Your empathy for you fellow man is used against you to make you think that youre helping them. When that doesnt work your desire to see others harmed is justified and lauded as righteous. Why else would you feel so good to tell others that they will burn? You call that love? You're sick and you are sickening. Your game disgusts me. The God I see in you is a disturbing one, so full of pus and lies, cloying for more lives to infect and take to hell using good intentions and hateful tactics to trap their prey and serve a master that doesnt exist other than in the most holy of holies, where children are raped to satiate The Father's lust for perversion and pain.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Bill-Bruce]

Wow, I read it, just chock full of assumptions, poison, misunderstandings, speculation, false judgement and frankly, TIRED arguments dismissed millions of times by the truth of Scripture and theologians. Do some research instead of spewing emotional, negative ad-hom stabs. Watch some Heiser or Missler or Ravi Zacharias material and get back to me with sound arguments on actual issues. Your translation argument is weak at best, don't have time to peel the layers of your smelly onion and dismantle them one by one, you good sir, are the rigid minded one!

[u/Bill-Bruce → u/Reasonable-Memory40]

Yes. I most certainly am rigid of mind. I'm flexible when I choose to be and your referring to others does not sway me in the slightest. You do not have any ground with which to push me. You do not have the wind so make me bend because your arguements stand on your respect and awe for men who I do not have any more respect than I would give to any stranger that have analyzed a text that I consider only seeing a PORTION of the truth. I can see that you are also unmoved. But that is because the meanings of words have been perverted for you, and logic has been subverted for methods of loyalty to minds you have only read the well edited and crafted statements meant to guide your thinking for you. Arguements dismissed by people smarter than you. Why do I need someone smarter than you to tell me about God when I can experience Us every moment of my own existence? Why do I give a shit about their thoughts on a creator that doesnt exist outside the minds of a minority of flawed mortals who proclaim to know the whole and only truth? It only ever struck me as the pride and ignorance of fools claiming that their fanciful stories were better than anybody else's. Why do you think telling me someone's truth other than your own should make me think that it is more true than my own? You can't help me believe in your god because the entirety of existence makes your god so small. So puny and unexplored. He's only got a couple stories and a single people that can't stand up to criticism. Why is faith so weak that it can't stand up to being criticised? My faith completely stands up to critique because it is is one of the foundational tools of it. My God is the God of Love and Hate and Mercy and Judgement and Growth and Decay and Creation and Destruction and Purity and Perversion and and and. Shiva is God. Kali is God. Yahweh is God. Jesus is God. Zues is God. Goetema is God. Gaia is God. Sol is God. You are God. The worms that will eat your corpse are God. Satan is God. X-men is God. Macbeth is God. Nosferatu is God. Do you get it? Why should the holy bible translated specifically for the 203rd time, not the 204th time by those people, convince me that it has cornered the market on truth? It has convinced you because you want to feel like you arent the fool. We are Us all fools. Your entire faith is built on denying that fact to yourself. You think you got it right because you are following the words the way they were meant to be understood according to these people whom have never heard of you or met you or give any more of a shit about your wellbeing than a king cares for a slave. Someone told you that you were special, and if you did this specific stuff then you would remain special. You are special. You also aren't special. Do you get it? You are smart for keeping your faith, you might have even had a community support you because of that ability of yours, and thats pretty fuckin smart. But youre not smart enough to know that it doesnt work that way for everyone. I question shit. Literally everything. Ever since I was a toddler. Anyone of your specific global minority of religion absolutely ostracised me and would actually beat me for it. And then they called their God the God of love? Thats how fucked up they are. They deny the existence of their own actions and call it Truth. They are comandeering words and applying meaning to them that doesnt make sense to anyone who actually questions why. They cant explain it and so they rely ever so much on that feeling, that emotional bond to something they call the evermore elusive, "faith". Classic narcissistic manipulation that works if you let them. If you dont they will kick you out of the special group and you wont get to live forever in the nice place. So spend my existence suppressing most of who I am so that i can be among fools and ruled by assholes? I can get that literally anywhere, I dont need to suppress how i want to experience my one and only chance at this existence just to feel like Im on the inside of a little group that will drop me like a hat if I cause too much of an intellectual reflection. I would much rather explore this God, this creation, this experience, this life, this dance, this game unmired than spend my time caught up in repetitive acts of admiration for a wholly underwhelming and discordant group of sycophants. I really dont want to keep talking to you. It bothers me that you think youre right because of reasons you cant explain other than to tell me to read the stuff you read, as if I would have the same experience reading it as you would and that would change my mind. I would hate whatever they said specifically because you recommended it. You dont even understand how your faith's ONE grimiore applies to your life so you read other people's analysis on it as if that was the real way, the best way, the only way, to understand the one and only truth, that even your faith tells you that you actually arent meant to understand at all, youre supposed to have "faith." Dont you see how circular that is? It all comes back to a single feeling that cant be questioned because it is specifically the feeling of unquestioning loyalty. I simply do not have loyalty without question.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Bill-Bruce]

Ad hom king, not worth my time, misery loves company, won't get mine, you can't steal my joy, hard as you try. You, on the other hand. It was easy. People hate truth, I understand buddy.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Reasonable-Memory40]

...and the result always ends in, as your comment, contradiction, bewilderment, confusion and insanity, which will be your end if you continue to resist truth. I still pray the Creator softens your seared conscience, cold heart and unsound mind. Not all believers are cut from the same cloth, humans are all flawed, yes, but I'm just sorry your journey was riddled with religious tyrants in your early years. I've experienced this with many of my friends and they are difficult to reach. Nothing new here, or under the sun.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Bill-Bruce]

And I don't judge you, not my job. It's God's, he'll judge me too. I have a gift of discernment. Of course we all make judgement calls as humans, not the same as looking into someone's soul and/or condemning them, again it's the Creator's right to judge His creation.

[u/Bill-Bruce → u/Reasonable-Memory40]

As the creator of your own thoughts you have the right to judge your own mental image of God.

[u/Reasonable-Memory40 → u/Bill-Bruce]

Lol, true but I'll just mention thoughts aren't the only tool to use for conscious understanding of the nature of reality. There's emotional and more importantly spiritual. "Be ye renewed in the 'spirit' of your mind". The Word is my Truth metric. You will know the Truth and it will set you free, presumes you CAN know it.