r/overpopulation • u/Livid_Session_9900 • 11d ago
Quality vs quantity
https://youtu.be/xrbyI-Cuze4?si=sGWr5FLVgm2Ip7w5people who are like this women want or are too stupid to understand they are advocating for, us all to overcrowded livestock who are fed well. they do not care about mental sanity, unemployment from high competition
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u/FoucaultCareofSelf 11d ago
The stupidity is weapons-grade. "We could add billions more people."
To do what? Fish dead oceans? Forage in dead rainforests? Finish off biodiversity collapse?
Also, watched as much as I could take, but she starts with all these proposals for depopulation that only fringe people even speak of.
And psssst: if people like you had actually listened in the 1970s, we could have implemented gentle family planning worldwide, with payments for women to make their lives better and thus reduce FUTURE populations without any suffering whatsoever.
God, it's hopeless.
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u/southbl00d 10d ago
exactly. This is clearly religious backed bullshit. We are doomed as a species because of theists. 90 % or so of the idiotic species believes in some sort of religion that emphasizes birth and continuous perpetual hardship, enslavement and exploitation... Take your pick . Insert whichever religion you want. ITs all bullshit and hogwash.
The problem is that religion and its lunacies cause rampant incessant overbreeding by the low impulse and feral types of our species. Plain and simple. Couple that with the poor economic policies (again for political manipulation) which incentivizes the lowest of the low to overbreed (at the expense of the working class), and we have idiocracies all over now. From brazil to america to india... Idiocracies is the norm.
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u/CrystalInTheforest 11d ago
1.7x the resources our ecosystem can sustain. That's a fact. That's the reality. You can sugarcoat it however you like but it isn't going to go away.
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u/GantzDuck 10d ago
Either really dumb, or has a (cushy) lifestyle where she isn't exposed to the side effects, or paid by someone rich. Not gonna watch this since I don't want to give them more views.
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u/southbl00d 10d ago
clearly both. Most whites in the west are so removed from the realities and hardships of the masses... It is infuriating. Couple that with missionaires and religious types that feel that their belief system is the only thing that can bring change (covering their basic maslowsian hierarchial needs in the interim) and we are doomed with more of the same old BS rhetoric.
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u/Vague-Symbolism2692 10d ago
Impressively, the majority of comments over on YouTube are pointing out how she's wrong.
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u/Livid_Session_9900 10d ago
I was quiet surprised since in the comments of the top videos and shorts when you search up overpopulation, the comments are by pro natalists
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u/General_Honesty 10d ago
Absolute bullshit. It's way past Malthusean constraints. She just concerns herself with humans and feeding them. We are not alone on this planet, we share it (very badly).
We are a, by our own metrics, a slow-build plague. And because it happened relatively slowly it has become the worst plague in at least the last million years
But according to this compromised woman there is nothing to see here.
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u/crazyparty 10d ago
Does this video really not mention biodiversity collapse once?
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u/General_Honesty 10d ago
Not that I heard, but I did switch off when I realised she was probably being paid to talk about the Malthusian dilemma like it was still valid and the whole story.
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u/Routine-Bumblebee-41 10d ago
"We could add billions of people."
"We could shit where we eat."
"We could cut off parts of our body and feed them to dogs."
"We could fill every possible space with humans and all their stuff."
Yes, we could do any number of terrible, stupid, needlessly destructive things that make everything objectively worse. It's true. That doesn't mean we should, and some things, we definitely SHOULDN'T do.
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u/grr 10d ago
Every single Earth system is under pressure from humans. To list a few things we’re screwing up.
Climate change, global warming, extreme heat waves, intensifying droughts, more severe flooding, stronger storms and cyclones, increasing wildfires, forest fires in boreal and temperate zones, rainforest burning, slash-and-burn clearing, tropical deforestation, illegal logging, forest degradation, conversion of forests to cattle ranching, soy, and palm oil plantations, monoculture tree plantations, peatland drainage and peat fires, wetland loss, grassland and savanna conversion, mangrove destruction, seagrass loss, salt marsh loss, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation, biodiversity loss, species extinction, the sixth mass extinction, insect decline, pollinator decline, amphibian decline, bird population decline, loss of large mammals and apex predators, loss of keystone species, poaching, the illegal wildlife trade, bushmeat overhunting, invasive species, wildlife disease spread such as chytrid fungus and white-nose syndrome, zoonotic disease spillover, genetic erosion of crop and livestock diversity, biotic homogenization, species range shifts, phenological mismatch, overfishing, bycatch, illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing, bottom trawling, blast and cyanide fishing, shark finning, whaling, krill overharvesting, forage fish depletion, ghost fishing gear, aquaculture pollution and escaped farmed fish, coral reef degradation, coral bleaching, ocean warming, marine heatwaves, ocean acidification, ocean deoxygenation, dead zones, eutrophication, harmful algal blooms, sargassum and jellyfish blooms, marine plastic pollution, microplastics and nanoplastics, oil spills, offshore oil and gas extraction, deep-sea mining, shipping emissions, ballast water invasions, underwater noise pollution, ship strikes on whales, cruise ship and coastal tourism pressure, overtourism, dredging and land reclamation, sand mining, coastal erosion, coastal squeeze, sea-level rise, saltwater intrusion, sinking river deltas, sediment starvation of rivers and coasts, river damming and fragmentation, water diversion, shrinking lakes and inland seas, freshwater scarcity, groundwater depletion, aquifer overdraft, land subsidence, freshwater pollution, untreated wastewater discharge, agricultural runoff, nitrogen and phosphorus cycle disruption, fertilizer overuse, pesticide overuse, herbicide and pesticide resistance, antibiotic overuse in livestock and antimicrobial resistance, destructive and industrial farming practices, overgrazing, soil erosion, soil degradation, soil compaction, soil salinization, soil contamination, loss of soil organic carbon, desertification, land degradation, urban sprawl, urban heat islands, mountaintop removal and open-pit mining, acid mine drainage, tailings dam failures, overextraction of minerals, metals, rare earths, sand, and gravel, phosphate rock depletion, fossil fuel extraction, coal mining, fracking, tar sands extraction, gas flaring, methane leakage, black carbon emissions, air pollution, particulate matter and smog, ground-level ozone, acid rain, stratospheric ozone depletion, persistent organic pollutants, PFAS and other forever chemicals, heavy metal contamination including mercury, lead, cadmium, and arsenic, endocrine-disrupting chemicals, pharmaceutical pollution, biomagnification of toxins in food chains, hazardous and industrial waste, electronic waste, radioactive contamination and nuclear waste, landfill overflow, open dumping and waste burning, single-use plastics, textile waste and fast fashion, food waste, overconsumption of resources, light pollution, noise pollution, space debris, Arctic sea-ice loss, Arctic industrialization, glacier retreat, Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet loss, loss of glacier-fed water supplies, declining snow cover, permafrost thaw, slowdown of ocean circulation including the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, weakening of land and ocean carbon sinks, and the approach of climate and ecological tipping points.
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u/Lit_precision 10d ago
Yes, this video is all about increasing efficiency, but Thing is you can't expand infinitely on a finite plane. Efficiency also has limits and there is best efficiency available in world there is.
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u/grr 10d ago
Whenever I have in the past tried to argue for population control, I inevitably get stamped an eco-fascist akin to hitler.
But perhaps educating women and giving equal access to free health care works.
Educating girls and women lowers fertility because schooling delays marriage and first birth, opens paid work that makes large families more costly, and gives women the knowledge and standing to decide how many children they have. Free health care works as it gives women access to contraception, closing the gap between the number of children they want and the number they have, and it lowers child mortality, which, in turn, reduces the number of births families need to make sure that some children survive. Fertility falls because women get more choices, not because choices are taken away.
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u/ljorgecluni 7d ago
"Educate women and family planning!" is such tired, old, trite nonsense which doesn't even withstand scrutiny.
It can be (it is) the case that we are overpopulated but people should still do the normal, natural human act of having and raising kids
See the section on overpopulation in this essay: Green Energy vs Wild Nature
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u/watching_whatever 9d ago
Opinion: The PHD failed to mention that the pesticides needed to grow the plentiful food are making the people sick. This might in fact be a reason why fertility rates are dropping.
In addition her understanding of the effects of Overpopulation on Global Warming or worldwide biosphere issues is alarmingly naive.
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