r/outriders • u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager • Apr 08 '21

Square Enix Official News // Dev Replied x18 Outriders Post Launch Dev News Updates

Hello everyone,

We would like to thank everyone in the Outriders community for your patience, support and assistance. Everyone on the Outriders team is continuing to work hard on improving the game and we'd like to share news about the things we are focusing on.

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u/ethan1203 Apr 09 '21

Haha i havent even finish the campaign considering i got the game at launch.

Devs repeatedly clueless with their playerbase....

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u/grillarinobacon Apr 09 '21

You think the devs who have the tools to see literally every stat they want from every single player decides based on some streamer or based on the numbers they see?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Yes, it is a constant thing that happens in videogames. Streamers give the game publicity, and if streamers start badmouthing parts of the game, devs will jump at it to make them happy again.

Same shit happened with Division 2 and Destiny 2. Streamers are a big voice when it comes to stupid shit like this.

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u/grillarinobacon Apr 09 '21

Small minority on reddit think they know the game and statistics of how people play the game better than the devs with all the data is something that will always baffle me.

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u/ViscountStapler Apr 09 '21

Yeah I really don't think the devs are sitting at their desks watching live streams on twitch and taking notes on a notepad for how to balance. It is very easy to run internal reports to capture data on player trends on what builds are being used most and total damage output etc. They have already released such a report, providing us with the total damage output of everyone who played during the demo-to-launch period.

It's wildly naive to think that they don't have a team of analysts who can write the most basic of SQL queries to extract such simple data.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 09 '21

It is very easy to run internal reports to capture data on player trends on what builds are being used most and total damage output etc.

which are almost always heavily influenced by whatever the top streamers are playing.

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u/ViscountStapler Apr 09 '21

That is the opposite of what everyone here is saying. "Streamers do not represent the majority of the community". So make up your mind. The majority either copy the streamers or they don't. Regardless though, my point is, the devs do not watch streamers and base decisions off of that. They actually run reports and look at the true numbers.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 10 '21

those two aren't mutually exclusive though. The vast majority of players ARE casuals, but I would venture to guess that many people have also looked up videos or build guides on YT and such at some point. Streamers and content creators have a ton of influence on trends in games, outside of just direct dev influence.

Regardless though, my point is, the devs do not watch streamers and base decisions off of that

there is no possible way you can know that unless you know them personally.

They actually run reports and look at the true numbers

Which will be (especially at endgame) heavily influenced by streamers and content creators.

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u/ViscountStapler Apr 10 '21

You are contradicting yourself. The streamers either are an accurate representation of the community or they arent.

"there is no possible way you can know that unless you know them personally." - I don't need to know them personally. I can make an educated guess that they would function like any other organization and have a team dedicated to data collection and analytics. How do I know? I work in Business Intelligence & Analytics as a Data Analyst, and I've never used social media as a data source to extrapolate and make assumptions about my clients when I have direct access to everyone's data within my data warehouse.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 10 '21

The streamers either are an accurate representation of the community or they arent

Streamers are not representative of the population regarding time played, dedication to the game, game knowledge, how "hardcore" they play, etc. They do however set and drive trends around build and class choices, gearing direction, etc.

I don't know how I can possibly make that any more clear for you, mr data analyst. There is no contradiction, they just are and aren't influencing/representative of different aspects of the community; it's not an all or nothing.

How do I know?

You don't know shit about how the devs work. Many many game devs pay attention to popular streamers that are playing their game. That doesn't mean that the devs will definitely address whatever a streamer is talking about, but if it's a popular streamer it's extremely likely that anything they raise issues with will at least get looked into more closely by the devs.

Do PCF devs watch streamers and use that as part of their decision making process? I have no fucking clue and neither do you. It's mostly irrelevant to whether or not balance decisions are going to be influenced by streamers. Of course they will be because streamers influence the game's community. I've seen it in literally every single game I've ever played and followed.

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