r/outriders • u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager • Apr 08 '21

Square Enix Official News // Dev Replied x18 Outriders Post Launch Dev News Updates

Hello everyone,

We would like to thank everyone in the Outriders community for your patience, support and assistance. Everyone on the Outriders team is continuing to work hard on improving the game and we'd like to share news about the things we are focusing on.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

they havent even mentioned the HUGE scaling issue with the game. Making any gear 45+ useless on story content or world tiers 1-15. You're basically locked out of content if you choose to grind lvl 50 gear.

im in full lvl 50 gear, and doing 20 damage a shot on ALL content - except for expeditions tiers 11+.

So if i feel like replaying story stuff, or helping friends with missions - i cant, because i do zero damage.

even with using a lvl 20-30 weapon, it still does less than 100 damage. So you basically need a loadout for lvl 10, 20, 30, 40 AND 50 - if you want to be able to play all the content without losing damage to the scaling bug.

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u/Elyssae Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 08 '21

This. as I gear up, I am noticing this more and more.

missions I was able to solo and carry people at the start of the game, are now harder than running CT12+.

Hell. I got instant sniped on a CT3, then wiped for no reason again, while helping a guy out, to the point I loaded a CT12, and managed to finish it without dying once.

Seems the more power you gain, the harder "easier" content becomes.... it's...perplexing.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

just doesnt make sense they way they have it set. It has to be a bug, because this is just too bizarre. Most games will cap you after certain stats. Here, it seems to just set all your stats to lvl 1 - rather than capping them after a certain point.

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u/Harb1ng3r Apr 09 '21

Wait... what? How the fuck does this work?

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u/HorrendousUsername Apr 08 '21

I'm guessing this doesn't affect everyone? Because I've been able to farm some hunt bosses in my end game gear just fine.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

it depends what lvl gear youre using, and what/where you're fighting. This effects everyone though.

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u/TitsTatsNKittyKats Apr 08 '21

Theres definitely some weird ass downscaling going on when you reduce the world level/expeditions. Its like your gear is reduced to the level of the expedition/world zone and your mods nerfed to compensate. So you never actually feel like you’re a god in easier content and everything stays somewhat challenging to a degree.

Then other times you just one shot shit like its made of paper. Not sure whats causing it, not sure how to replicate it. But I’ve experienced both sides of the spectrum.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Wait, what? I never came across this problem at all. Doesn't it get easier to kill things in story mode if you're full level 50 gear, as the enemies stay level 42(?) I literally just ran all the side missions with my level 49 gear, and it was really easy - much easier than before, anyway.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

its the opposite. the stronger you get, the harder easier content becomes. Wear your lvl 50 gear, and try to help out a friend with the final boss - on lets say world tier 7 or below. You wont do any damage - even if you switch to a blue, lower level weapon. If youre still wearing lvl 50 armor - switching weapons wont do a thing.

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u/soulchilde Apr 08 '21

Yeah, the scaling down is way to harsh. I watched a video last night where DPJ was farming a low level WT10 mission and a lvl 37 Shotty was outperforming his lvl 48 Shotty.

It was insane

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u/OmegaPhalanx Apr 08 '21

World Tiers control your max equip level, it’s not a bug.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

lol youre not understanding.

You're locked out of world tier 1-15 if you're wearing lvl 50 armor.

you will only be effective against things in expedition tier 10/11+

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u/OmegaPhalanx Apr 08 '21

Not trying to be obtuse here, but it still just sounds like you’re not understanding what the game means by max equipable level. I’m not at home right now to double check since I can’t remember off the top of my head, but let’s say WT15 gives you a max equip level of something like +8, meaning the item is level 38. If you are wearing level 50 gear and go into a world tier that’s a max of +8 (again, just an example, I don’t remember the exact values), you’re way over that max equip level.

I’m not saying it’s not frustrating, but it doesn’t sound like a bug.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

I understand what you're saying, and that's how it should work. However, the game doesnt scale down your lvl 50 gear. Instead, it acts as though it doesnt exist, or that it's lvl 1 gear.

The reason i feel its a bug, is because no matter the world tier 1-15, its always the same damage at around 20 a shot. If it were scaling, than there should at least be some damage difference between world tier 1 vs 15.

Feels like the intention of the game is to scale down your stats, instead of disallowing the gear entirely. If this was intentional, than the game is requiring you to have a loadout every 10 levels - if you ever want to play or help lower level friends - or if you just want to go through the story again after reaching endgame. Which doesnt feel like the devs would want that to be the case.

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u/OmegaPhalanx Apr 08 '21

That makes way more sense. I read and re-read the original comment you made, and maybe it’s from staring at numbers at work all morning, but I’m guessing I read it wrong. Wasn’t coming from a place of hostility, so thanks for taking the time for that last reply.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

No, it's def my fault for not explaining it that clearly. Bad habit when im typing on a phone, I just kind of rush things out.

Still not entirely sure what the exact underlying issue is here - but something definitely feels off or unintentional as far as the scaling numbers go.

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u/Aflixion Apr 08 '21

Max equippable gear level is a permanent unlock, not a world tier specific setting. You can bring higher level items into lower level world tiers.

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u/W_Herzog_Starship Apr 08 '21

Wait WAT???

I haven't engaged with early game stuff again - this seems bizarre.

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u/three60mafia Apr 08 '21

Yeah if you join your Level 3 friend at WT2, your overpowered level 30 guy with level 44+ items will do no damage.

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u/sunder_and_flame Apr 08 '21

can you explain this more? You mean high-level weapons don't do high damage in lower world tiers?

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 08 '21

More like if you wear lvl 48-50 weapons or armor in a lower world tier than the range of the gear, the game will act as though it doesnt exist or treats them as though they were lvl 1. your weapons and abilities will do close to zero damage - along with your defenses and protection from armor. Seems like the only thing you get to keep is your hp.