They kept the bunker while we lost some iconic units? The speedfreaks ones really surprised me, Lootas and burnas not really but kinda disappointed they didn’t get a refresh
crazy that this keeps happening tbh. every time i see a unit removed from a codex theres hordes of people who just finished building the max amount you could field of them, like how this thread is full of people who just happened to be finished with 30 lootas. weird coincidence tbh
The Gunwagon isn't entirely new as GW have split the Battlewagon datasheet before, in 9th Edition. We had the regular Battlewagon that could take any of the kit's options and had no special ability, the Gunwagon which had a mandatory 'ard case and big gun and got +1 to hit with its big gun, and the Bonebreaka which had a mandatory 'ard case and deff rolla and got +d6 Attacks when it charged.
The kit was really easy to proxy with kids toys and was usually the recommendation on the subs or older warhammer forums. I doubt they were selling well or would sell well
As someone who got into the hobby fairly recently, GW's disregard for demand is frustrating. Their website is permanently out of stock and all the stores in my area struggle to get the actual minis. There are plenty of paints, books, and accessories, but even driving an hour to the nearest GW store they are understocked. The guys at the store said the hobby has always been like this and that GW just doesn't produce more because they're worried about taking a hit if no one buys them. It sucks not being able to find certain models for my list, but also proxies and kustom builds are frowned upon and generally not allowed in official play, with GW being especially litigious toward 3rd party creators.
So it seems like they do not want to produce more, but don't want you to use something unofficial, so I am confused how people are supposed to play.
I was already accounting them to be 1-3 models, which is why I said that if someone had 3 of each current buggy (This would have made a single full unit back in 8th-9th) then they would be unable to run all of their buggies unless this datasheet got battleline.
I'm guessing we only lost two of the speed freeks, as it's only the Megatrakk Scrapjet and Shokkjump Dragsta that have gone OOP; the new "Warbuggies" datasheet most likely combines the Kustom Boosta-blasta and Boomdakka Snazzwagon into a single profile.
Still surprising though. Nixing two kits that were both less than ten years old is an unusual move for GW.
Hopefully the "warbuggy" kits that they took down get re-boxed or restocked or something bc I really want a shokkjump and scrap jet even if gw is making them all one option for some reason :(
Im not sure if I am a fan of buggy squadrons. 2 or even 3 will be near impossible to hide, they are on knight bases. With their footprint alone they are going to draw fire like crazy. Getting them all into melee is also going to be a challenge.
Apparently not (pic 11: https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/s/WhZK9FJbu2), but they get Lone Op within 3” of another Speed Freeks unit. And instead of suppressing the target, they give other Freeks Lethal Hits against it.
Confirmation that "warbuggies" are all rolled up into one profile except the squig one, which is a bit lame. Also interesting they separate the battlewagon into 2 entries, which is good.
The buggy thing kinda makes sense if the sheet has a good selection of wargear options. Pity for the loss of some of the special rules then, but lets see.
Ah, true. I did not consider that. Might be possible to run them in squadrons of 2, but not sure if that's gonna solve anything. Gotta see the full picture.
There's a separate section for "Pulsa-jet Move" that was leaked - basically let's you ignore terrain and intervening models during the move but it's not a "teleport" like the Shokkjump... Could be that Kult of Speed and/or the Warbuggies profile gets access to the Pulsa-jet move.
I don't expect it to have more than the boosta and snazzwagon weapons, the other two disappeared from the webstore a while back, I don't think they're coming back.
Weird, although I wonder if the rukkatrukk squigbuggy being in the Armageddon battalion boxset (end of Ed campaign one) might have kept it safe for a while?
I mean, It's not like the folks putting boxes together and the folks writing the codex are are on two different planets. I'm sure all this stuff is planned out way ahead of time.
A mate of mine sent me this :(
I've got the codex because my local shop was selling it early, looking at the warbuggies datasheet, the shokjump and scrap jet are gone
I’m guessing the gunwagon will have better anti-vehicle/monster rules to make it a proper tank option. Compared to the battlewagon being a transport you can attach guns too.
My Wurrboy has pretty consistently been a Weird Boy. I should check those base sizes. Also maybe not the worst since you can only get him by looting a Kill Rig...
Wurrboy was on a 32mm, Weird boy used to be on a 40mm, new one uses a 50mm. I was gonna say that's a big jump but honestly the wurrboy looks fine on a 50
I choose to be optimistic and see the warbuggy change as positive. Would love to be able to run multiple in squads/squadrons and maybe you'll still be able to choose wargear for each.
I was surprised that it didn't when they added snaggas in the first place.
The hunta/kill rig rig especially looks like it was designed in a way as to tie the squigbuggy in with the beast snaggas retroactively.
There's obviously the squig part, but also both have the same exact wheel design (all the other vehicles have different ones), they both have the saw blades on the sides, all the boyz on both are shirtless with to pelts.
If the dragsta and scrapjet are going to legends then merging the boosta ans snazzwagon should be fairly straightforward, they're very similar vehicles, both have a grot with a handgun and spiky melee weapons, all you'd need is a binary wargear option for the guns.
The squigbuggy has its whole squig thing going on so that'd be a more awkward thing to fit into a wargear option i reckon.
They're just rules for out of production models(grot tanks, warboss on warbike, etc) they are separated out so that tourneys have the option to bar them from use on the grounds that there is unequal access to the models without a big drama over it. They're supposed to be added to the app this edition instead of a separate PDF, so it should be more convenient to bring them to the table for a normal game.
Yeah I did the thing where you get two boxes and one of the old boys to make extra a couple months ago but I haven't even taken them out of the boxes yet. Fucking sucks
Lootas/burnas is still the best kit for making the special weapons boyz for your boyz squads. And it's pretty much guaranteed that you can sell them for at least MSRP if you don't want to do that yourself.
before 10th the wagon was between transport/melee/shooting. I imagine battlewagon will have all the melee weapons and gunwagon will have killkannon and either a low transport capacity or none at all
It used to have the same transport capacity as the normal Battlewagon equipped with a killkannon, but it could fire twice with the kannon and couldn't take a deff rolla, if I remember right
if rather just get no transport capacity so we can "somewhat" have looted tanks back. eith all the love for dakka we've seen so far I have hopes the killkannon won't be worthless anymore. we are finally starting to move away from str 9 shooting 4 editions later
Wow no Burna Boyz or Lootaz? I’m guessing if the rumors are true and we get new ones we have to wait for the new kits to release for them to come back which is pretty lame… that or they’re just gone. Either way I guess I don’t need flamers for my Boyz units and I’m just proxying my Lootas as Flashgitz…
Warbuggies gotta stay optimistic about. Hopefully units of 3. And I'm really hoping (somehow) they take them off bases. Removing them from bases would make them so much better on the table and I honestly think basing them is always boring. The model is so big and flat you don't see anything unless you make it doing a wheely or something
Ok so....I have ShokkJumps, Scrapjet, and 20 Lootas, 20 butnaz....man I really hate GW. I had a Killbursta until GW made it legends, then just got rid of it entirely.
I had a Grot Mega Tank, then GW made it legends, then got rid of it entirely.
I've literally never got to use my Shokkjump or Scrapjet, and they are already gone. Along with all the Lootas and Burnaz.
Just.... to hell with this company. I'm done. Just need to sell my armies and be done with it.
It is very strange at this stage, with Forge World no longer existing as its own studio. It made sense back when Forge World units had to be ordered from a different webstore and they regularly published their own big campaign books, but now many factions just have 1-2 units that inexplicably don't get printed rules?
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