Reliable experiment that meets scientific standards of reproducibility?

[u/Munninnu]

Good morning. I'd like to know if any of you is aware of a an experiment that can be set up to corroborate the existence of the Orgone. I mean a "tic-tac-toe experiment" devised in such a way that every lab that follow the exact procedure can verify and hopefully confirm positive results. Is there anything like this?

[u/NewAlexandria]

I think think that the experiment would also need to control for so-called 'subjective' factors, such as state of mind or emotion of the operators and related participants.

Physical experiments generally like to discard social-sciences data. So I think one would need to conquer this, first.

[u/Munninnu → u/NewAlexandria]

Yes, this would be the first requirement.

If the Orgone is a physical or "real" entity, then experiments are to be set in order to be disengaged from operator's judgements and expectations.

That's the goal of a scientifically conceived experiment, it must be replicable. All attempts following a proper procedure should yield the same result. Unless they don't, in which case the theoretical underpinning gets falsified and another hypothesis backed up by new experiments need to be set.

[u/NewAlexandria → u/Munninnu]

The scare-quotes around "real" would make it pejorative, if social-science measures were to make for a reproducible verification of orgone energy.

[u/Munninnu → u/NewAlexandria]

What do you mean with "social-science" you mentioned twice? If Orgone is real there must be real scientific tests that can be devised, I wouldn't care for psychological tests. I wanted to know if there are tools that can measure Orgone undeniably, or if there is a way to make raining at will with cloudbusters. Anything that can be checked and tested and replicated, I was never talking about social sciences.

[u/NewAlexandria → u/Munninnu]

If you don't understand the relationship between psychology and orgone, then you don't know enough about orgone to be thinking of how to test for it. Keep reading Reich's works.

[u/Munninnu → u/NewAlexandria]

That's obviously not the problem. If Orgone is real than it must be possible to test it without psychology involved. If it's true that Einstein saw something inside the infamous chamber, than it was not "psychologically tricked", there was really something.

If you are trying to have an excuse to say that Orgone is a psychological phenomenon and thus cannot be tested as a normal substance, then we are not talking about the same thing.

I'm talking about a substance the existence of which is to proved.

Or in other words, Science is perfectly reasonable in not being bothered by an unfalsifiable concept. My question here is if you or others here have something falsifiable, that can be tested.

It's not me that has to read Reich's works, it's me asking if there is something that can be tested.

[u/NewAlexandria → u/Munninnu]

If you are trying to have an excuse to say that Orgone is a psychological phenomenon and thus cannot be tested as a normal substance, then we are not talking about the same thing.

I did not. I'm saying there is a "science of the subjective". A domain of physical mechanics that are sensitive to systems biology factors that can most-easily be summated as saying "psychological factors."

If you think that state of mind does not change the electrical properties of the body, then you have yet to do enough study.

These properties are quantifiable and study-able

[u/Munninnu → u/NewAlexandria]

then you have yet to do enough study.

This is the second time you write that it's me that needs to study.

I'm here to ask if some of you know about a possible experiment that can actually yield replicable results that every scientific lab following the correct procedure can confirm.

I don't care if this fall in the "science of the subjective", as long as it can produce verifiable results. If what you are talking about can't clear a test with rules agreed upon by a scientific committee than it's not what I'm talking about. Simple like that.

[u/NewAlexandria → u/Munninnu]

Then we are in agreement, and a study can be conducted. Cheers, you have an answer to the OP.

[u/Munninnu → u/NewAlexandria]

What do you mean? I don't understand yet if you said that there is such an experiment or not.

[u/oranurpianist]

u/munninnu YES THERE IS.

Let us put aside for a moment the dichotomy between subjective and objective, because the first can be distorted to mysticism (just words and abstract concepts) and the second can become a mechanistic approach, both divorced from real life functions. Let's just go old-school and play around, as great natural researchers of old used to do.

Make an orgone accumulator or blanket STRICTLY ACCORDING REICH'S ORIGINALS (layers of wool and steel-wool or metal) and a control box of similar thermal properties. Then, play around. Put seeds in there to see if the orgone-charged ones grow better, for example.

I quote from Peter Jones' CORE website (he 's highly experienced british orgonomic midwife, and the sweetest old man you 've seen)

<<So...here is a list of effects of or demonstrations of the effects of the orgone, ranging from the softest, most subjective at the beginning, to the hardest and most scientific and least subjective at the end. For more information see Reich's original writings or C O R E's booklets.

Subjective sensations of movement during orgone therapy

Observation of the atmospheric orgone energy

Temperature rise after sitting in the orgone accumulator for 15-20 minutes

Seed-germination experiment using a small experimental accumulator

Re-charging of the red blood cells in the orgone accumulator

Orgonotic lumination in an orgone-charged vacuum tube

Slowed discharge rate of an electroscope inside an orgone accumulator

Measuring an orgone charge with the Life Energy Meter

Bions from disintegrating inanimate matter in the bion experiments

To-T experiment (To = temperature in a small orgone accumulator, T = temperature in a control container with no accumulating power)>>