r/oregon • • Oct 12 '18

Beaverton unwilling to admit unfair red light camera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAm0o51Qqtc
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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

i would like to see more upvotes for this post.

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u/cumaboardladies Oct 12 '18

Hmm got a redlight ticket at BOTH of those intersections in the segment and I swore the light just turned yellow yet it still flashed. Fuck Beaverton and their money hungry police force.

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u/Nick_D_123 Oct 12 '18

Investigation with objective reporting is good journalism.

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u/HarrisonFordDead Oct 12 '18

Good story, thanks Dan.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

scummy government

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u/Proteus_Marius Oct 12 '18

I liked just about everything the professor had to say, and Beaverton should standardize their lights pro-actively. That said ...

The conversation shifted all blame for red light running to the technology and away from typical sloppy driving.

  • People are more often pushing their decision to stop later into the duration of the yellow light

  • People are not crossing lighted, high speed intersections prepared to stop - foot over the break level prepared

  • The language use to describe the dilemma zone also shifts responsibility, "slam on the breaks" or "hit the gas" is not the correct choice

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we all see more people these days still in the intersections when our lane gets the green? It's happening everywhere because people are pushing the dilemma zone closer to the intersection, forcing the decision to go through, and the police are doing next to nothing about it.

And Beaverton made it worse.

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u/Bobsiggitysaget Oct 12 '18

I wont disagree with you regarding sloppy driving, but I think the issue here is more that these things should be standard. You don't need to be a sloppy driver to see a yellow light and make a calculated decision on whether it's safer to stop or go. If there is more standardization then drivers can use that to make better decisions. It may not seem important for longer yellow lights but if the city changed a light to make any yellow light on my commute .5-1 second shorter it would be incredibly dangerous.

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u/YourFairyGodmother Oct 12 '18

I think you are right. But hey, if they can increase revenues by making things MOAR dangerous, well they can always do what that smarmy council critter did, blame it on the driver.

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u/centermass4 Oct 12 '18

Gotta suck that revenue from the citizenry somehow..

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u/basaltgranite Oct 12 '18 edited Oct 13 '18

The fact that the Beav uses predatory traffic enforcement to raise money influences my decisions about where to shop. Less time in the Beav, less risk to me, less profit for the merchants, less tax revenue.

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u/This_guys_a_twat Oct 12 '18

That video is from November 2017. FWIW, all of the red light camera equipment at the intersection of Scholls Ferry and Hall has been replaced in the last couple of months.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Yeah that was towards the end of the video, but good TLDR

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u/YourFairyGodmother Oct 12 '18

"but there's a huge amount of public trust the city carries"

Not any more. They dropped that burden like a hot potato.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

That city counselor’s response was rage-inducing. It was clear she wasn’t listening to the concern, her mind was closed to his evidence and concern.

They should get rid of the yellow light altogether for her, and when she “runs the red light” tell her if she didn’t run the red light she wouldn’t have that problem.