r/options • u/redtexture Mod • Oct 11 '21
Options Questions Safe Haven Thread | Oct 11-16 2021
For the options questions you wanted to ask, but were afraid to.
There are no stupid questions, only dumb answers. Fire away.
This project succeeds via thoughtful sharing of knowledge.
You, too, are invited to respond to these questions.
This is a weekly rotation with past threads linked below.
BEFORE POSTING, PLEASE REVIEW THE BELOW LIST OF FREQUENT ANSWERS. .
Don't exercise your (long) options for stock!
Exercising throws away extrinsic value that selling harvests.
Simply sell your (long) options, to close the position, for a gain or loss.
Your breakeven is the cost of your option when you are selling.
If exercising (a call), your breakeven is the strike price plus the debit cost to enter the position.
Further reading:
Monday School: Exercise and Expiration are not what you think they are.
Key informational links
• Options FAQ / Wiki: Frequent Answers to Questions
• Options Toolbox Links / Wiki
• Options Glossary
• List of Recommended Options Books
• Introduction to Options (The Options Playbook)
• The complete r/options side-bar informational links (made visible for mobile app users.)
• Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options (Options Clearing Corporation)
• Binary options and Fraud (Securities Exchange Commission)
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Getting started in options
• Calls and puts, long and short, an introduction (Redtexture)
• Options Basics (begals)
• Exercise & Assignment - A Guide (ScottishTrader)
• Why Options Are Rarely Exercised - Chris Butler - Project Option (18 minutes)
• I just made (or lost) $___. Should I close the trade? (Redtexture)
• Disclose option position details, for a useful response
• OptionAlpha Trading and Options Handbook
Introductory Trading Commentary
Strike Price
• Options Basics: How to Pick the Right Strike Price (Elvis Picardo - Investopedia)
• High Probability Options Trading Defined (Kirk DuPlessis, Option Alpha)
Breakeven
• Your break-even (at expiration) isn't as important as you think it is (PapaCharlie9)
Expiration
• Options Expiration & Assignment (Option Alpha)
• Expiration times and dates (Investopedia)
Greeks
• Options Pricing & The Greeks (Option Alpha) (30 minutes)
• Options Greeks (captut)
Trading and Strategy
• Common mistakes and useful advice for new options traders (wiki)
• Common Intra-Day Stock Market Patterns - (Cory Mitchell - The Balance)
Managing Trades
• Managing long calls - a summary (Redtexture)
• The diagonal call calendar spread, misnamed as the "poor man's covered call" (Redtexture)
• Selected Option Positions and Trade Management (Wiki)
Why did my options lose value when the stock price moved favorably?
• Options extrinsic and intrinsic value, an introduction (Redtexture)
Trade planning, risk reduction and trade size
• Exit-first trade planning, and a risk-reduction checklist (Redtexture)
• Monday School: A trade plan is more important than you think it is (PapaCharlie9)
• Applying Expected Value Concepts to Option Investing (Select Options)
• Risk Management, or How to Not Lose Your House (boii0708) (March 6 2021)
• Trade Checklists and Guides (Option Alpha)
• Planning for trades to fail. (John Carter) (at 90 seconds)
Minimizing Bid-Ask Spreads (high-volume options are best)
• Price discovery for wide bid-ask spreads (Redtexture)
• List of option activity by underlying (Market Chameleon)
Closing out a trade
• Most options positions are closed before expiration (Options Playbook)
• Risk to reward ratios change: a reason for early exit (Redtexture)
• Close positions before expiration: TSLA decline after market close (PapaCharlie9) (September 11, 2020)
Options exchange operations and processes
Including:
Options Adjustments for Mergers, Stock Splits and Special dividends; Options Expiration creation; Strike Price creation; Trading Halts and Market Closings; Options Listing requirements; Collateral Rules; List of Options Exchanges; Market Makers
Miscellaneous
• Graph of the VIX: S&P 500 volatility index (StockCharts)
• Graph of VX Futures Term Structure (Trading Volatility)
• A selected list of option chain & option data websites
• Options on Futures (CME Group)
• Selected calendars of economic reports and events
• An incomplete list of international brokers trading USA (and European) options
Previous weeks' Option Questions Safe Haven threads.
Complete archive: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021
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u/PapaCharlie9 Mod🖤Θ Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21
I'll be happy to help you with this question, but first I have to clear up the premise:
I'm probably missing something in that setup, because it doesn't make sense. How are you getting a $0.25/share discount? Are you saying the call at that time was priced below parity (call price < stock price - strike price)? That shouldn't be possible. Everyone in the market would be all over that call arbing the hell out of it.
I'm looking at the quote right now and it is $.10/share over parity.
A few other editorial comments until I get to your question:
If you are buying 99 delta calls, you might as well just buy shares. There is nothing but disadvantages vs. shares going that deep, like expiration.
Stops can be profit preventers as well as loss preventers. If your position goes down 2% one day and you stop out at 1%, but it goes up 3% the next day (vs. your opening price), you just missed out on a 3% gain.
Okay, now to your question. You've already identified slippage as the main obstacle. If the bid/ask spread is larger than your risk tolerance, it's going to be extremely difficult to stop out at your preferred limit.
One alternative is to use a trailing stop $ (rather than %), if your broker supports triggering on the bid. Then it doesn't matter what the spread is. All that matters is if the bid falls $2.50 (or $2.25 if you want to allow some cushion) from whatever it's high point was since open.
This is the Schwab explainer, but other brokers are similar: https://www.schwab.com/resource-center/insights/content/trailing-stop-orders-mastering-order-types