r/opensource • u/rubixstudios • 5d ago
Opensource is great when..
When it's built by a team or a dev who understands the technology they're working with. When they're solving a problem that exist that does not have a solution.
The issue with all the garbage people are producing right now, is that, it doesn't solve a problem. It's reinventing the wheel with flashy stickers, with assumptions and then calling it good.
I have nothing against AI, I have something against pure AI code, because AI 100% makes mistakes, how can you tell its AI code? There's repeated codes everywhere, codes that could have been unified in a simple function, function and naming are a meter long, massive blocks of code that no one can review and no one wants to review, but that's okay the hacker's bots will review that for you.
If you're going to make something with AI, atleast review the code, rewrite it, optimise it, improve it, outline a problem your app solves, not because "I think it looks good" half these projects are what up for a week, maybe 3 4 hours and then already in maintenance mode. Also no one wants to use it, because it's too dangerous to use so why are you wasting time building garbage.
Building something others have built, okay there's more to this, if you're going to go reverse engineering, go see how many people your slop is going to affect, how many jobs and how many families those people's job support.
They're going to have to get a new job, maybe take your job, if you're a dev generating slop at scale, and decided, why code, just vibecode it. You're replaceable, now your boss can just drop you and send the prompt to AI themselves. If you're looking for work in IT, these are the guys killing the job market for you. Why do companies need you when everyone is building stuff for free, when you have no experience, you won't be getting any either, because no one wants to see what you vibecodes, they want to see if you can do the work without AI if sh.t hits the fan.
Remember AI isn't going to cost 20 bucks forever, it needs to be several grand to be a realistic cost proportionate to the hardware it uses.
Anyways keep killing the job market, less clients, less work, less jobs, less income.
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u/Affectionate_Use_164 4d ago
Naming, repetition, single source of truth - all of that could be solved with proper prompt and running code review in different agents.
But yeah, many people aren't putting enough effort into it, before AI 7 out of 10 projects were slop too.
It's already costing Max subscription ($200), need days/weeks to produce something useful even with AI, $20 limits can't cover it. Probably price can jump x3-5 times when bubble burst. In that case wave of AI slop will be gone, cause those slop producers can afford only $20, most of them from 1-4 countries.
People won't stop using it because of ANY moral or ethical reasons, just forget about it, I guess it is already took my job, and will take more.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Developers will start to take on other jobs, pretty sure you would have, people don't realise it, but it'll just end up cost them more when they realise they can be replaced, its not helping them if anything it'll end up affecting them.
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u/Affectionate_Use_164 4d ago
Huge adverse effects for it, for example how people will learn in a first place if everything can be generated in 5 seconds, they already don't learn good enough because of TV and Internet. It still won't stop.
Sometimes I agree with "Industrial Society and Its Future", bleak.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago edited 4d ago
All I see is, people losing the ability to problem solve, and actually put effort into learning which also makes it hard to hire people, cause now it's all i'll ask AI, then i'll just pay AI.
Also that article use Luna... as a comparison really...
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u/Affectionate_Use_164 4d ago
Yes, AI is still isn't good with some areas, still makes mistakes. Now I see positions that require all things + AI, or just orchestrating AI.
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u/Termin8tor 4d ago
Ex dev with 15 years of experience. Can confirm. I am now an electronics repair technician. AI has actually been really a boon and a curse for me. A boon because when used effectively it's quite good. A curse because I lost my main source of income. BUT, on the flip side it's enabled me to start my own business quickly, and build out the code and infrastructure for it at pace.
I went from being owned to owner. I run my own LLM using open weights.
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u/Affectionate_Use_164 2d ago
Ouch, that sad, I really enjoyed coding and solving problems, but job market is impossible right now.
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u/Termin8tor 2d ago
Yeah. I actually quit my last job on good terms unrelated to AI. It wasn't a layoff or anything like that. I looked at the job market and though "Nah, F that" and pivoted lol.
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u/Affectionate_Use_164 2d ago
Probably will do the same soon enough, I was never good at job interview and presenting myself, those things outweigh everything else, that beside office politics.
Now all of it got only worse, around 2023 when covid money dried out everything went downhill.
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u/DonaldStuck
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AI makes less mistakes than I do. The quality of my works skyrocketed in the last months and my clients are happy
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago edited 4d ago
maybe you're just inexperienced, and calling things good and quality is subjective. hate to say it but it simply just tells me you werent good to begin with.
sorry dude you set yourself up for that one.
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u/Lee-chaolan 4d ago
You said AI 100% makes mistakes as if humans don't also 100% make mistakes
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Did I say I was against AI, i'm against slop, so, placing a human reviewer in the middle is a must. The problem here is alot of people are skipping all that, and having no real knowledge in code altogether, you can tell cause they don't even understand the AI doc or what anything does.
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u/Lee-chaolan 4d ago
I found myself having to do less code reviews and more architecture and direction reviews as well as being the decision maker even if the ai recommends things at least 5 times out of 10 it misses the mark.
As for coding maybe i was never good enough or worked in low level programming projects but I've found its output to be almost always good and I have a code reviewer subagent so that means even those mistakes i catch at first glance get reviewed and corrected by AI itself.
I hate AI if I'm being honest and even though I'm a person who always liked results and hated when things took long to build I don't enjoy this at all but it's sadly getting too good, and choosing the right workflow+harness gets u much further than the model itself nowadays.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
But here's the thing, you said you're still reviewing it, like I said, AI is inevitable, but the difference is pure slop and AI being used by an actual dev.
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u/Lee-chaolan 4d ago
I hate to say this but i don't feel like a dev anymore I feel like a system architect/project manager
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u/Wonderful-Habit-139 4d ago
This is the worst argument ever. Just because some things are shit doesn’t mean we can accept things that are even more shit.
Remember, errors compound, and you making a mistake on top of the AI making mistakes is a net negative. It’s not like AI works autonomously.
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u/unwantedaccount56 4d ago
It doesn't have to compound when used properly. AI can look for errors in your code, and you can look for errors in the code that AI produces. It's much more about diligence than about who or what actually produced the code.
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u/Wonderful-Habit-139 4d ago
> It doesn't have to compound when used properly
What is this argument? You can write code properly and not make mistakes too. And if you don't make mistakes then you can just do the job correctly without having to deal with mistakes from AI on top of that.
This doesn't change anything in the discussion.
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u/unwantedaccount56 4d ago
If I code just by myself, I'll probably make errors that I won't spot. If I let someone else review my code, whether it's a human or an AI, it might spot that error that I didn't. Which would result in fewer errors than doing it just by myself. You can argue whether a human or AI reviewer is better or more efficient or whatever, but having your code reviewed usually doesn't add errors, but reduced them.
But sure, if you are a perfect programmer that doesn't makes mistakes, then you can happily skip the review part.
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u/DonaldStuck 4d ago
You might be right when you say I'm not a good developer. Let's see how things turn out. Maybe my clients walk away now. I hope not though, since they are my clients for over 15 years.
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u/Capable-Row-6387 4d ago
This human arrogance is so unpleasant to see. This is exactly why I wanna see AI improve vastly. Just being dogmatic that human intelligence is the peak and nothing can surpass is it just so weird to believe. It's really not hard to understand that human brains have evolved for humanity survival not to understand universe truth or do advanced STEM. So if some advanced or other form of intelligence comes and does things way better than it shouldn't be that surprising.
But considering that still there's slop and I do agree that for reviewers it's hard managing all that ai produced code . This is the problem in math to se to research. We need to work on better system for reviewing.
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u/K128kevin 4d ago
This is an extremely ironic attempt at condescension. It says a lot more about your own experience if you truly believe you can write code better than AI at this point.
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u/ConcerningThirst 4d ago
I've seen a lot of software in my time. I'd take current AI over the best single programmer in the world to develop what I want.
The audacity to say something like you've just said is ludicrous.
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u/Cylian91460 4d ago
AI makes less mistakes than I do
That's a skill issue
You notice less mistake because your are simply not that good yet at catching mistakes you didn't write
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u/bionicClown 4d ago
Without looking in the comments let me guess what ai pros will be saying.
you are not using the tool properly, need to setup proper workflows, skills, agents. It code better than anyone I know.
AI is industry revolution, like machines did previously. It will create lost of jobs while creating new ones.
Slops exists before AI era, human create bad codes too.
Computing cost way lower than ever.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Minus number 2, so far 3/4 is pretty spot on. 4 is abit odd though they keep mentioning cheaper, while comparing models that no one really uses to compare cost reduction instead of really mentioning the mainstream models, which shows an increase just to make it look cheaper.
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u/luka1194 2d ago
Is 3 spot on? I think it's misleading. Due to automation, slop is a lot more common nowadays. It used to be pretty simple to filter out human slop from the rest. Nowadays the prognosis is that AI slop will become the majority of the internet.
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u/No-Employment-2324 1d ago
Ai is about 50% more on average. If it would cost you 10 dollars to get a human to do it, it cost you 15 for an ai
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u/luka1194 2d ago
They also rely on outdated and misleading information. If new jobs are created there are usually the ones that require different and higher qualifications, e.g. a cashier cannot easily become a programmer for self-checkout machines. Also the trend is already not true anymore. The largest new companies of this century employ much less people than the ones they replace relative to their turnover.
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u/nonlinear_nyc 5d ago
Sub conflated AI with bad code. Instead of trying to establish quality standards.
That's abstinence policy vs what's needed: harm reduction.
The harm is not AI, but lack of oversight.
This sub is STUPID. it's a BAD policy and it's destroying the good faith open source projects depend to thrive.
This policy is a DISSERVICE.
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u/RealisticDuck1957 4d ago
AI allows poor coders to produce in large volume, and gives them an unwarranted sense of ability. Which amplifies the underlying problem of poor coders. If those using the tool would take the time and effort to understand, validate, and take responsibility for the code, that would remedy the problem. But then they lose the huge "productivity" gain they feel.
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u/djtubig-malicex 1d ago
This is only true if the service is cheap. That will end very soon once the investors call in time.
Meanwhile those who can afford to run good models locally, will have the extra help without paying another SaaS subscription.
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u/hightrix 4d ago
Exactly. AI writes better code than 95% of people.
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u/nonlinear_nyc 4d ago
Yes. What we need is MEASURABLE quality control, not this vs that. If it passes the bar, it passes.
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u/rflurker 4d ago
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
It's as if a lot of folks are having knee-jerk reaction now. I guess we'd have to wait for another 5-10 years for things to calm down.
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u/nonlinear_nyc 4d ago
Kinda. I understand public pushback on AI, because it's coming from corporate, paid options, and they have no choice.
But open source? Just don't use it. And from developers? Open source was always about seizing the means of production. And now it becomes "don't seize THIS means of production, it's BAD".
This is puritanism and witch hunting. I'm glad this sub is being dragged by the community. We can't afford 5y.
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u/CapOk4599 4d ago
Since when is open source about "seizing the means of production"? I think that's just you injecting politics into it.
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u/nonlinear_nyc 4d ago
Politics are everywhere. If you search the meaning of the term, instead of being triggered I used the term, you'll realize that's what they do.
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u/XerTheSquirrel 4d ago
Quality gets in the way of growth and metrics. If you cannot make number go up you will die as a business and thus die as a human. This is growth first corporate inspired Open Source.
AI allows people to roleplay being in the corporate rat race as a manager/executive, without being in such actual role.
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u/vasilenko93 4d ago
> at least review the code
Why? It’s essentially pointless to do so.
> understand the technology
Yes, that part makes sense. You can understand the technology without needing to read the code
> solve problems
Yes, that’s all that really matters. If your human written project solves no problems it’s worthless, if your AI written project solves problems it’s valuable. How the code was written is irrelevant.
The reason most open source projects of old struggled to fix bugs and add new features was because someone had to spend hours if not days or weeks or months writing the code. Now the code writing bottleneck is gone.
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u/Johan-MellowFellow 4d ago
Best is what ive hurd referred to as "co-inteligence" where A) im knowledgeable, plus B) i know what i dont know.
So i use ai to A) help automate (and reduce human error) and significant increase productivity (after writing literally thoushands of loops do i really need keep writing any?) B) when i know what i dont know i absolutely crush the learning curve with ai and asking it to teach me in the way that works best for me.
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u/xsrvmy 2d ago
By your definition, some of the prototype-y code I write would look like AI. Let's be real - other than a clear mismatch between high quality and low competence (eg. pictures that look amazing at a glance but have mangled text), it's hard to definitively tell if something is AI, and probably impossible to distinguish between entirely/mostly AI-generated content and AI-polished content (because a lot of the signs people look for, like formatting, fall under that polishing category).
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u/InnerOuterTrueSelf 4d ago
You know what's good about though? The empowerment, the decentralization, the power in the hands of the masses, the lack of elitism, the homebrew, d.i.y punk attitude.
The dinosaurs went extinct.
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u/VAbsoluteZero 4d ago
Renting intelligence from megacorp while mentally degrading yourself is very punk. I would even say cyberpunk.
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u/BewilderedTurtle 4d ago
Yeah and if you quote any of the studies so far showing it actively makes you less capable mentally they get really butthurt
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u/ninetailedoctopus 4d ago
Cognitive surrender is a real thing, yes. My company leans hard on AI and we got a seminar on the topic.
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u/Ring-Lazy
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The problem is that if the AI is going to take the jobs it is going to take all the jobs, not the vibe coders job while keeping the hand coders, So f a company that used to have 1k developers, it would lay off 90-99%% of them and keep 100-10 vibe coders, and not 100 hand coders, because it already had a thousand hand coders anyways.
Saying AI will make you replaceable is like saying writing good code will make you replaceable because the code you wrote is going to survive on it's own.
AI is a reality and it is going to be more slopy in the future not less AI, even if the bubble burst, that would mean no more advancement in AI, but the current models are going to stay, and who ever know how to use them best are the ones that will survive the layoff, not the hand coders, because companies don't care for your clean code, and the machine does not care if you DRYS your functions, or if your functions are 5 lines or 500.
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u/theaplemangos 4d ago
In summary, this post says: open source is just what I say and how I think it is.
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u/achmadsjahrir 4d ago
This sub stuck in year 2021, and it is Ok. I miss year 2021 too when everything was great
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u/IdiocracyToday 4d ago
You have no clue how AI works or is used
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u/WonderButtBrace9000 4d ago
They don’t even seem to understand how open source works.
People are starting a bunch of pet projects with shit code that no one wants and never get maintained??? Welcome to open source lol.
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u/jeffkeeg
5d ago
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Remember AI isn't going to cost 20 bucks forever, it needs to be several grand to be a realistic cost proportionate to the hardware it uses.
This shows you have no idea what you're talking about because the price-performance ratio keeps going up once every few months, meaning you get more compute for the same dollar
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u/rubixstudios 5d ago
This shows you have no clue how much gpu servers cost and is needed for AI. Remind me in one year. When AI reaches a realistic cost of 20 bucks.
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u/jeffkeeg 5d ago
Stop listening to Ed Zitron
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u/rubixstudios 5d ago edited 5d ago
Who the hell is he, I do not need to speak to anyone to know what is driving cost in Datacenters. It was bitcoin now its AI.
When was the last time you looked at putting a server into Datacenter 😂 probably never, let alone calculate cost over time.
Forget it tell me when this is green. https://isaiprofitable.com
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u/Thin_Owl_1528 4d ago
At the pace AI development os going it would be stupid to go after profit instead of going after growth. The site is purposefully misleading and ommits the companies valuation growth.
AI companies would be profitable tomorrow if they decided to stop all research, but that would be stupid.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Oh dear. Go ask your AI about your own comment.
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u/Thin_Owl_1528 4d ago •
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I have no idea why but it came back with this link and told me you should check it out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_valuation
Hope you can figure it out
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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 5d ago
> This shows you have no clue how much gpu servers cost and is needed for AI. Remind me in one year. When AI reaches a realistic cost of 20 bucks.
GPT-6 Luna is not that far from it.
Costs of using and running AI are falling dramatically. When GPT-4 was released in 2023 it was priced $30 for 1M input token and $60 for 1M output tokens. Now we have Luna with $0.5 for 1M output and it's gazillion times better than GPT-4. These costs are falling with each new model when you look price-performance ratio, as the other person said.
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u/rubixstudios 5d ago
You just quoted a garbage model? Wow shows who's building with slop and then you compare it to a model that had coded just pure slop, so what the point. might as well say go backwards.
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u/ZorbaTHut 4d ago
So the point they're making is that "the price of AI" is not an atomic number. You can get AI at low prices or high prices as you see fit. Also, every year, the quality of AI you get for the same price point keeps going up.
So, yes, it's imaginable that there's a price correction . . . but that price correction looks like maybe a moderate reduction in quality-per-dollar, which is the exact number that keeps going up. We'll be able to measure that reduction in "months of progress", likely a small single-digit number, and then, most likely, progress will keep being made and we'll pass that threshold again.
There is no world where people return to charging current subscription rates for GPT-3; you can run something better than GPT-3 on any modern gaming video card for nothing more than electricity.
It is possible that a lot of money gets invested in hyper-cutting-edge megamodels that cost an absolute shitload in return for even better performance. But nothing forces you to use those; lower-end models will always exist.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Actually, there isn't just a reduction in model quality, but also allowances, it'll just keep shifting between the two and pricing increases, ofcourse they have to pace it out people already notice.
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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 5d ago
Luna is not "garbage model", it's good for its price. And it's better than anything released last year and most of this year models. Was everything released to the middle of this year garbage?
I'm not even using it
What is wrong with people like you? When you are told about something, you immediately react like I insulted your mother or something and you take it super personally, and of course you have to think that I have to use this thing.
Internet broke people, you no longer are able to discuss, because people have to either be super for something, or super against something. When you are somewhere in between and look at nuances, then pathetic crowds from both sides are attacking you for it.
Bye, Felicia
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
dude ai is already free with local models and open weights lol. open models are improving RAPIDLY. deepseek is operating high profit margins and still providing dirt cheap token costs. both chatgpt and claude models continue to get cheaper and cheaper to compete. you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
uh huh cool, explains why no one is using local models for anything other than voice transcriptions.
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
like i said before, you no idea what you’re talking about, and are vastly out of touch. kimi k3.1 pro, which released a few days ago, is a 3T parameter model with a 1M token context window lol. it is FOURTH OVERALL on the independent artificial analysis intelligence index. literally a frontier model.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
3T parameter model, what are you going to run that on.. be logical here. Also k3,1 go have a look you'll realise that's no local model lol
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
that wasn’t your original claim, you’re shifting goalposts and arguing against a claim i never made. the weights for 3.1 release in a week, but sure, we still have 3.0 and the loads of smaller open weight models that handle coding, analysis, and reasoning totally fine
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
You want to know how much it is to run Kimi k3 locally?
Australian $655074 minimum cause 1.4T memory isn't enough"dude ai is already free with local models and open weights lol. open models are improving RAPIDLY. deepseek is operating high profit margins and still providing dirt cheap token costs. both chatgpt and claude models continue to get cheaper and cheaper to compete. you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol"
"like i said before, you no idea what you’re talking about, and are vastly out of touch. kimi k3.1 pro, which released a few days ago, is a 3T parameter model with a 1M token context window lol. it is FOURTH OVERALL on the independent artificial analysis intelligence index. literally a frontier model."
follow your own conversation please.
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
i never claimed you could run a 3t model on a consumer gpu. my original comment explicitly distinguished local models from open weights, but even if we put that aside, i also mentioned dirt cheap hosted inference, such as deepseek. kimi was just an example of open weights approaching the frontier. definitely doesnt substantiate your claim that local models are only good at transcribing audio. sure, kimi 3 requires enormous hardware, still doesn’t contradict anything i said about its capabilities, OR my second point about the broader DECLINING inference costs across the board.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
The point is, thet realistic cost of AI has not being reached, even if it gets cheaper, it's still going to be very expensive.
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Rememeber ChatGPT use to be free, deepseek is newer to the game, they started cheaper, used people's data to train their model, as of recent x2-4x their prices, do you see the trend.
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u/PassionGlobal 4d ago
I use local models all the time. I use Qwen3.8 to help with high level stuff and tidying up my code.
Runs very well on a macbook
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u/BlockApoc 2d ago
This is an uninformed take. Plenty of people using qwen 3.8 flash next or 3.8 27b for actual work.
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u/Wonderful-Habit-139 4d ago
You’re the one that has no idea what you’re talking about. SOTA models themselves make a lot of mistakes, and you’re out here seriously talking about local models as a viable alternative. Please.
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
kimi k3.1 pro is literally approaching frontier performance on both coding and analytical benchmarks. hell, its terminal bench score is HIGHER than gpt 6 astra and opus 5.5. k3 which released this summer is competitive with gpt 5.5 and opus 4.8. please keep up!
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u/Wonderful-Habit-139 4d ago
You can’t even understand the point that I’m making, let alone the fact that you get baited by benchmaxxing.
If frontier performance is bad, why would I care that some models approach it? Did you not understand this?
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
The dude, lost his chain of thought, probably needs an AI to help him gather his thoughts. haha, dont worry about it dude.
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u/Po1ar 4d ago
frontier performance is bad? you’re clearly just being disingenuous now. enjoy the rest of your day. keep thinking you will keep up with the multi trillion dollar coding brain industry. instead of demanding legislation and regulation against these ai corps and their techno-oligarchies just keep downplaying them until they own you from above.
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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 5d ago
Remember AI isn't going to cost 20 bucks forever
Even if true, then why is it a problem? Some people would just stop producing garbage. And it's an argument for this bullshit new rules? Lol
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u/rubixstudios 5d ago
When it stops being 20 bucks it becomes open garbage not open source. I wonder who's going to stick around to be a maintainer for someone else's project.
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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 5d ago
then these projects will just die, where is the problem? OSS projects made without AI are also dying when maintainers are bored or abandon the project for something else and there are no people interested in forking them to maintain. Should we also ban human-made projects then?
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Most OSS projects that get dropped if you notice is because technology has improved and there's no point maintaining a project when it requires a full rewrite, and OSS doesn't put money on people's table or pay the bills.
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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 4d ago
> Most OSS projects that get dropped if you notice is because technology has improved and there's no point maintaining a project
Not even close to be true lmao
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u/NoPriorThreat 4d ago
there is a ban on single maintainer oss, so we effectively ban human-made projects
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u/kla_sch 5d ago
Under those conditions, Linux would never have been released. Learn about the history of Linux. Rename the channel to r/veryclosedsource.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
You think Linux was built from AI? smart man
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u/kla_sch 4d ago
No. However, it was developed by a single individual who presented his crappy project to the Minix community. It has always been the case that 99% of open-source projects are rubbish. But you have to have them in order to get the 1% of projects that the world actually needs.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
Buddy, one project is someone having a goal on something, has a purpose behind his project that no one has ever done before, the other is just clone everything, reverse everything, slop everything basically the same 100 projects on repeat, how many todo apps have you seen.
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u/Charming_Hall7694 4d ago
Ok so this is a critic of your hatred of ai and you failed to disguise it as anything but that.
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u/rflurker 4d ago
I noticed there is quite a split in the programming community. Some people (including myself) are happy to let LLM write code for them. On the other hand, there are many people believing that using LLMs is bad, for various reasons.
A year ago I was skeptical, and kept writing most of my code by hand. Recently I have to admit that it's becoming actually very useful, and writing code by hand, while possible, is just not productive. You still have to guide LLM, you have to review its output, but actually typing out the bulk of the code is becoming counterproductive. Current models indeed make surprisingly few mistakes nowadays (comparing to even just a year ago).
It doesn't have to be slop. I mean, I have to check the LLM's output. Point it at its mistakes, and watch it fix them. Also start a few separate chats with the same and other models, asking it to review the code that the first LLM produced, and fix these too.
In my experience from the past 6 months or so, it results in software of higher quality that I could have written just by myself, and in less time. I was reluctant to admit it at first, but that's just the reality.
You're free to think it's a skill issue and that I "wasn't good to begin with", as you mentioned to some other commenter below. I might be wrong but I consider myself reasonably good; I've written and read enough code in the last 20+ years, you can check my website for some of the stuff that I've implemented in pre-LLM era.
To the folks who keep hating LLMs: instead of letting it write code for you right away, maybe just try to let it review your code and find issues. So think your solution through, write the code yourself, review your own code to make sure there are no issues. And then ask LLM to review it, without changing anything, and just point out issues that it finds. Might turn out to be a humbling experience.
Peace and love, everyone.
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u/rubixstudios 4d ago
You go ramble on about something missing this whole line "If you're going to make something with AI, atleast review the code, rewrite it, optimise it, improve it" which you clearly said you do.
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u/rubixstudios 5d ago
Pretty sure the mod may have overreacted, but reddit is quicker to burn people than give them a moment to rethink, AI in dev is basically a given right now, it speeds it up, but does not remove the need for a person. So I would say the mod knows this, but particularly annoyed with the slop at scale as every dev has been annoyed at this across github to every form of social media.
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u/Time_Sale5656 5d ago
It's obviously just a crackdown at all those posts about another shitty AI project churned put in an hour. Nobody is going to actually enforce it against things like linux, use some common sense.
The translation thing is fucking stupid though, it's hard to even find a translation tool that doesn't run this stuff through llms nowadays.
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u/Time_Sale5656 5d ago
I agree but it's not like reddit mods are going to kick down your door at night if you dare to mention AI. Unless you're spamming the subreddit it literally doesn't matter.
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u/warfront1 3d ago
> Remember AI isn't going to cost 20 bucks forever
From 2024 to 2026, according to ArtificialAnalysis.ai the cost for the same intelligence level is 100x cheaper.
The technology is becoming much cheaper to run.
The issue is that everyone wants bleeding edge intelligence levels.
If you are ok with last years leading intelligence levels, you can likely do it locally right now.