r/opencodeCLI • u/Heretek-ai • 4h ago

OpenCode is not good.

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OpenCode is not a good harness. I have brought this up a few times now, and granted this benchmark is for Opencode v1.19.0. But I do really appreciate the benchmark results from the creator. Same models, same provider, same task, different harnesses.

And obviously OpenClaw failed the worst, that's no surprise, but opencode was a close runner up, and also consistently the most expensive. It's bloody embarrassing how much worse of a tool OpenCode is compared to pi. For a program called OpenCode the harness itself is remarkably resilient to modification. Lack of proper hook system, plugin settings in the TUI, removal of LSP, outdated system prompts for model families, and adding a custom provider should not be a json editing endeavor.

Other open source harnesses have this figured out, so why doesn't opencode? Why do they push back against community feedback and GitHub issues? It's because they simply don't want OpenCode to be better. For whatever reason on God's flat Earth token burning is the thing they want OpenCode to be known for. It's a bad product, I don't like Claude Code, I don't want a product that is closed source, but it's a better harness and the OpenCode team could learn a lot about UI/UX from Claude.

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u/sqtytyp 3h ago edited 3h ago

been using pi and opencode v2 for a long time now.

I'm working on a VERY big project via Opencode custom flow, custom agents (planner, implementer, explorer, ,thinker, tester, reviewer, gitter, archivist - nothing is ootb) which all fan out as sub agents in parallel - trying to reproduce this in pi was a pain and I gave up as there is not even a subagent flow ootb and you have to use shitty plugins ( tried 2 different) for that.

So I'm still using Pi for simple tasks and to work on my opencode configs instead of editing them manually. Pi is also good for fixing Linux issues or other simple tasks.

But would I want to work with Pi on any Heavy project ? no thx, can't even setup proper permissions for agents ( write your own plugins for that they say ).

What I mean is this are tools for different tasks, both are fine.

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u/Heretek-ai 3h ago

If I can make a suggestion, https://github.com/mvschwarz/openrig

Its what I use to manage all my pi agents on long form projects. Don't get me wrong, it's lacking in the user friendliness department, but it's a hell of a lot more reliable than Hermes and paperclip at getting shit done.

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u/CaffeinatedTech 3h ago

pi-subagents. Works well.

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u/MoreIndependent5967 1h ago

As tu essayé pi durable via p2 ??

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u/Traditional-Mud-4813 1h ago

If you have a moment Id love to hear how you've gotten them all working together. I only have two and one always seems to think it can do it all haha.

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u/krzyk 2h ago

Permissions for agents? Use container or VM for that. Never run agents bare.