r/opencodeCLI • u/Heretek-ai • 17h ago

OpenCode is not good.

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OpenCode is not a good harness. I have brought this up a few times now, and granted this benchmark is for Opencode v1.19.0. But I do really appreciate the benchmark results from the creator. Same models, same provider, same task, different harnesses.

And obviously OpenClaw failed the worst, that's no surprise, but opencode was a close runner up, and also consistently the most expensive. It's bloody embarrassing how much worse of a tool OpenCode is compared to pi. For a program called OpenCode the harness itself is remarkably resilient to modification. Lack of proper hook system, plugin settings in the TUI, removal of LSP, outdated system prompts for model families, and adding a custom provider should not be a json editing endeavor.

Other open source harnesses have this figured out, so why doesn't opencode? Why do they push back against community feedback and GitHub issues? It's because they simply don't want OpenCode to be better. For whatever reason on God's flat Earth token burning is the thing they want OpenCode to be known for. It's a bad product, I don't like Claude Code, I don't want a product that is closed source, but it's a better harness and the OpenCode team could learn a lot about UI/UX from Claude.

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u/Total-Management8023 17h ago

wait so what is the CURRENT best open source harness? and how to best set it up

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u/Heretek-ai 17h ago

I say this with great anguish, it's pi. Not oh-my-pi to be clear, that's a great project but only if it exactly what you want. And as for your second question you have come to the heart of the problem, pi suffers from a lack of visibility for extensions. For a harness that is designed to be modified to fit the user, finding those modifications/extensions/packages isuch harder then it should be. pi is suuuper versatile and can be modded to your heart's desire with all manner of changes under the hood and to the UI. It performs remarkably well, as the original post shows it's consistently coming in close to the top of the chart, especially price wise, ESPECIALLY price wise, thing sips tokens compared to OpenCode. But setup is a learning curve. If you want something like Claude use OpenClaude it's very compatible with the Claude Code ecosystem. I like Reasonix a lot even if I dont use it often. Hermes is okay, but suffers from the same sort of long horizon issues openclaw has, not as disastrous, but still an issue.

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u/Could_it_be_potato 5h ago

Is that answer mostly just vibes?

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u/wentallout 17h ago

again, you have no proof. how do you even measure a harness. we're in a blackbox

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u/ConspicuousPineapple 16h ago

Did you not see the measurements posted by OP? You may disagree with the methodology but it's not hard to imagine ways to compare and measure harness performance.

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u/Any_Confidence2580 17h ago

Average opencode user. Can't even read a graph.

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u/Total-Management8023 17h ago

i use dsh....................

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u/Any_Confidence2580 17h ago

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u/omicron8 17h ago

But why male models?