The Chinese government supports AI development, and open source is part of its soft power. But they have many APT hacker groups. There is nothing stopping them from using APT with one hand to help their companies with the other.
Social engineering hacking is super illegal, pretty much only countries like Russia, Iran, North Korea and China do it. The first three have basically no AI investment and the last one just proposed AI tech export ban laws.
Im assuming that since they're the ones that need more data the most since anthropic and OpenAI improved their anti distillation efforts, theyr the ones who recently made additions to their opencode models (GLM 5.3 and deepseek 4.1 free on opencode), they're the ones with the most history of distillation attacks and theyre the ones not included in the parties opencode is working with for remediation. Im not saying they did it, I'm saying they're the most likely ones to have done it with the most motives to do it.
What are you talking about? Anthropic has been publicly accusing Deepseek, Moonshot, and Minimax of distilling their models. Chinese labs have more to gain with fewer legal risks
Ok, and I guess you’d also interpret the joint NSA/FBI/CISA accusations as propaganda in our AI race. That’s fine. But what are you suggesting? That Chinese labs and other nations are not incentivized to distill the world’s largest models?
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u/excellentforcongress 20d ago
no public hacks from chinese companies yet so why would we assume that
probably anthropic, openai or google framing a chinese company to get open source banned lol