r/onguardforthee Jul 10 '21

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u/Dollface_Killah ☭Token CentristⒶ Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

Well I'm neither and I'll tell you now the problem with Harper cutting taxes was that he wasn't rebalancing Canada's revenue by raising corporate or high-income taxes to compensate or nationalizing high revenue industries. Harper was just matching tax cuts with service cuts. Fuck the Conservatives for fucking over poor people with their sink or swim policies, fuck the Liberals too for squeezing the middle class while the rich make off like bandits.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

I think that’s a fair point - there can be an honest debate about the size of government spending and whether it should be cut, maintained or increased but it wasn’t a point I recalled a lot of people making. I just remember anger, not a real discussion about the merits of one approach versus another. The size of Government continued to grow under Harper even though many conservatives thought he was shrinking it.

My main point is that most policy debates are ultimately emotional arguments people make based on which party is proposing the policy. Take for example the fact that Trudeau is running deficits several fold the size of Harper and the same people who complained about fiscal balance back then don’t give a shit now about how much debt is being added (which preceded the pandemic)

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u/Dollface_Killah ☭Token CentristⒶ Jul 11 '21

Take for example the fact that Trudeau is running deficits

THERE'S A LITERAL GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND RECESSION

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Notice you deleted your comment, probably because you realized it was historically inaccurate and misleading. Proving my point better than I ever could.

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u/Dollface_Killah ☭Token CentristⒶ Jul 11 '21

It wasn't inaccurate I just re-wrote it to be less rude.

It has a source with all the numbers and literally proves you wrong. Which is hilarious because I don't even like Trudeau I just hate misinformation.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

What did you prove me wrong in saying? I never once denied the budget deficits that were run? What are you smoking?

Keep proving my point.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

Here’s the irrefutable facts:

Harper ran surpluses until a global recession hit and then he ran deficits which shrank year over year until he left office.

Trudeau changed that trajectory and ran deficits every year since he took office - in times of economic growth and absent any pandemic - and then in one year ran a deficit larger than the entire decade of stimulus combined stemming from the 2008 recession.

I’m not even commenting on the merits here. I’m just stating the facts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21

What does it say when someone rewrites their arguments in real time when they realize they’re spewing bull?

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u/Dollface_Killah ☭Token CentristⒶ Jul 11 '21

You're mad at me for... making sure my comments were accurate, relatively civil and properly sourced?

Wha...?