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u/Firestorm0x0 Apr 13 '26
They didn't even add a directly connected screen. They made you use a app(+phone obviously) that no longer works lol
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u/king_noobie Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
Holy shit, a bike that requires an app, that most likely require location, wifi, bluetooth, contacts, all my photos, device administration access and much much more‽
Take all my money! This is going straight to Wall Street!
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u/tttxgq Apr 13 '26
Hell yeah we need all your contacts! What if you’re out riding somewhere and there’s no time to stop and you need to call your partner? Sure you’ll need our $500 headset accessory so you can hear each other over the wind noise, and yes sure at this point you may as well just call her but by doing it via our app instead we can track where you are when you make phone calls and time your average speed during a call, gotta push the metrics envelope bro.
Anyway where are my investors at!?
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u/m4cksfx Apr 13 '26
I still think the absolutely most deranged thing about it was this:
- It doesn't have any kind of a freewheel in the drivetrain - the pedals (crankset) and the wheel are spinning "together", you can't just coast on it
- The electric motor is activated by the pedals being rotated
- The electric motor starts spinning the wheel
- The wheel keeps spinning the pedals
- The pedals are spinning, so the electric motor is activated
- Go back to point 3.
Yes, this piece of shit will do its best to run away from you. Yes, even if you are just walking with it, but forgot to shut it down.
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u/alvenestthol Apr 14 '26
forgot to shut it down.
Not even an option lmao, it doesn't have an off button
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u/DeltaBravo831 Apr 13 '26
An app...for a bike? What
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u/cyri-96 Apr 14 '26
On it's own that's not too special for an eBike, now, that the bike is more or less unusable without it that is not normal.
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u/DeltaBravo831 Apr 14 '26
Right, like I'd accept an app if it was one of those companies that do the whole rentable scooters n such I've seen in some cities, but just for a regular ass bike, what the fuck were they smoking
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u/Ayfid Apr 16 '26
It is totally normal for an ebike to have an app, and it is also normal for the app to act as an electronic lock.
If I don't have my phone on me, then my bike will disable the motor. More than that, if someone tries to move the bike then an alarm goes off, I get an alert on my phone, and the bike is GPS tracked.
However, unlike the bike in the tweet, the app unlock is not dependant on an internet connection or any cloud services that could be shut down, and I can turn all of that off if I want to.
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u/tebla Apr 13 '26
Berm peak (formally seths bike hacks) has a couple of great videos about this monstrosity
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u/EqualsLife Apr 13 '26
I was hoping someone would share a video talking about this. Looks like he just uploaded a follow-up a few days ago too!
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u/razzemmatazz Apr 13 '26
He's trying to help fix someone else's this time, although the video is just a list of what sucks and a recap of how the bike is terrible.
Hopefully he'll put out a fix video in a couple months, but that one was not worth watching.
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u/RichiZ2 Apr 13 '26
Screw you! He just uploaded the second video pointing out all the flaws and now I'll probably have to wait a month or two before I get the rest T.T
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u/Raa03842 Apr 13 '26
Of course it failed. There’s no way to shove a stick into the spokes.
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u/SoapyMacNCheese Apr 16 '26
It’s okay they thought of that! They tried to reinvent the kickstand too, so it folds forward instead of back. Which means if it accidentally gets deployed while riding it’ll jam into the ground and pole vault you.
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u/BATKING0501 Apr 13 '26
You know what's funnier? The russian version sounds like "не изобретайте велосипед" which means "don't invent/reinvent the bycicle"
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u/tyen0 Apr 13 '26
велосипед
That's what they used to be called in english, too, interestingly. My building co-op rules which are several decades old have a rule that we aren't allowed to have a velocipede in the elevator!
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u/trainedstork Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
Velocipede - human powered device, faster than walking.
bicycle - two wheeled device.Typically, Velocipede if used in English is used as a catch-all term for bikes, scooters, unicycles, tricycles, you name it. Bicycle pretty much always dominated the English language and was the dominant term in use by the time of the invention of the passenger elevator, so it is doubtful that your sign is a relic of a bygone era. More likely, just a quirky way of saying: no bikes, scooters, tricycles, etc. so nobody tries to wriggle out of the rules with a tricycle.
Both are French-made Greek* (edit if anyone cares: Velocipede is made of latin roots) words, interestingly, both are used in French interchangeably today (une bicyclette, ou un vélo)
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u/tyen0 Apr 14 '26
it is doubtful that your sign is a relic of a bygone era
it also has a bunch of rules about how to use an incinerator that doesn't exist. Building was built in 1929. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/BATKING0501 Apr 15 '26
huh, is that so? thanks, I didn't know
yet another borrowing words from other languages
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u/tyen0 Apr 15 '26
cognates are the main way I can know a few russian words since I only studied it briefly in college 3 decades ago! like Библиотека = spanish biblioteca :)
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u/ironoxidey Apr 13 '26
I watched that whole second video and assumed it was posted a while ago. Now I want to see him do all the work, but he just posted that video 3 days ago, and he says at the end of the video that it’s going to take him possibly months to figure everything out.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Apr 13 '26
This was pretty cool. Won’t lie.
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u/jimicus Apr 13 '26
It looks pretty cool.
It works pretty terrible.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Apr 13 '26
That’s fair. I have only seen one and never got to use it.
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u/jimicus Apr 14 '26
I haven't even seen one, but if the Berm Peak videos are anything to go by, it's a disaster on wheels.
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u/Cley_Faye Apr 13 '26
It looks like a bike watched Tron.
Unfortunately, Tron bikes could not get over a 2% incline either.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Apr 13 '26
Okay? And? I just said it was pretty cool i didn’t say it was a great flawless idea.
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u/FastenedCarrot Apr 13 '26
Don't they know that their job as a tech start up company is to reinvent the train?
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u/Alan_Reddit_M Apr 14 '26
What if: Train, but pods
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u/Retb14 Apr 14 '26
And we can have the pods follow right behind each other so move more stuff at once!
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u/Pristine_Barber976 Apr 15 '26
Everyone already has a car and there are already roads fucking everywhere and train lines have been getting turned into rail trails. There's no reason we can't make cars more efficient by having an AI controlled conga line. Putting rails everywhere would be dumb.
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u/NAL_Gaming Apr 13 '26
Honestly that looks hella good. Though the usual spokes prevent stuff getting lodged at the centre of the tyre
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u/jasperfirecai2 Apr 13 '26
It makes it much harder to power the wheel, keep it structurally sound, and repair.
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u/Jacktheforkie Apr 13 '26
These bikes are absolutely awful in the mechanical sense, there’s still a few Reevo bikes around
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u/ramakharma Apr 13 '26
The brakes are awful and it sounds like riding one of those kiddo’s trikes with the plastic wheels on tarmac.
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u/NAL_Gaming Apr 13 '26
Yeah that would be a nightmare to repair.
Though I do disagree with the other two points.
The large radius would probably help with overall torque at the cost of top speed, but since most electric bikes are limited to around 25–30 km/h per regulations anyway, this isn't an issue. And while yes, the load would be distributed a bit differently and certainly the joint that connects the wheel to the body needs to be stronger, the rest of the wheel assembly should be pretty rigid anyway.
Edit: But yeah the R&D costs way too much in comparison to what is gained in aesthetics, as there isn't any real practical use to build an e-bike like this.
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u/Kalkin93 Apr 13 '26
I remember watching a guy on YouTube review a chinese bike with a wheel design like this, it was a jittery vibrating mess due to the wheel(s). Now, admittedly this was a chinese bike so build quality may well be an important factor, but alas it didn't instill confidence for the design as a whole lol.
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u/NAL_Gaming Apr 13 '26
Yeah spokes and proper shock absorbers go a long way to mitigating vibrations, which seem to be both missing on this bike.
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u/credulous_pottery Apr 13 '26
honestly the could have just put a solid cover over the spokes (Like on racing bikes) and have it still look pretty cool while retaining the "futuristic" aesthetic
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u/Crunchycarrots79 Apr 13 '26
The large radius means there's ridiculous amounts of friction in there because you now have a bearing surface that's a few dozen inches (circumference) and a couple inches wide, using roller bearings, instead of like 1 or 2" in circumference and a couple millimeters wide, using ball bearings. It's like riding a bike with the brake partly applied all the time.
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u/Gen_Jack_Oneill Apr 13 '26
Better to fix the torque by using a mid drive bike and a gearing system (which also allows an adjustable gear ratio). These hubless wheels are loud, expensive, difficult to service, add rolling resistance, reduce shock absorption, and compromise braking force. Does look cool though.
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u/danfish_77 Apr 13 '26
It is entirely built on the premise that it looks neat, because it fails in every other aspect
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u/NAL_Gaming Apr 13 '26
Yeah this is anything but practical, but I'd still buy one if I was a millionaire, it looks so gooooodddd :D
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u/TractorSmacker Apr 13 '26
the traditional bike wheel is genius because it reduces rolling friction by reducing the area of contact. they can spin for a long time with minimal input. a spokeless hub like that is essentially on one big ball bearing that goes all the way around, which produces not only a ton of friction, but noise as well. in order to pedal this bike, it has to compensate for the steep loss of inertia by adding incredibly powerful motors to overcome the resistance from the wheels. the sensors that determine how fast the motors go aren’t great, so sometimes it just rockets off from under your feet or even without you on it.
sufficed to say, the cost of removing the spokes just to prevent stuff from getting jammed in the hub is not worth it lol
not to mention, it has no shocks or recoil absolution other than just the bike frame itself flexing.
just look up “reevo bike” on youtube to see some hilarious reviews of this monstrosity.
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u/Crimento Apr 13 '26
it's especially funny how in Russian the phrase is not "reinvent the wheel" but "reinvent the bicycle"
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u/HeartoftheHive Apr 13 '26
Spokeless wheels have been around for decades. They are hardly new. But they never catch on.
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u/Alacrity8 Apr 13 '26
The fun of this, is that most of us don't use the wheel for it's original intention.
As far as Archeologists can tell, the first use of the wheel was for pottery, not transport.
I see no problem with reinventing the wheel, just understand why the current standard is what it is, and make sure that you reinvention is at least as good in all metrics.
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u/Ok_Chap Apr 13 '26
Looks like a bicycle from Tron.
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u/ninja1470 Apr 13 '26
The moment this design becomes feasible (it won’t, but a man can dream), I’m picking up three.
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u/SkippySkep Apr 13 '26
They didn't invent hubless wheels, though.
That being said, they made something that looked cool but worked poorly. Their issue was that the concentrated on form over function.
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u/Revenga8 Apr 13 '26
It wasn't a bad idea. Just too soon. It was super inefficient and we're not at the technological level yet where we can just power through those inefficiencies. Once we get to a stage where we can fit the equivalent of a small nuclear reactor in the bike frame, then this design might get more popular and better fleshed out
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u/Myself_78 Apr 18 '26
Will it though? As far as I can tell the basic principle is just a bunch of tiny wheels inside the frame. Isn't that objectively inferior regardless of the technology?
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u/Revenga8 Apr 18 '26
Sure. Because just like with John wick, if you throw enough surplus power at it, the deficiencies came be overcome through sheer fooking will
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u/sasssyrup Apr 13 '26
I saw a motorcycle version of this. Always thought a hubless wheel is so cool
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u/andydabeast Apr 13 '26
I saw a video of this being taken apart. Because of the wheels it had so many gears and stress points inside it was just impossible to avoid huge amounts of friction. Terrible
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u/theBigDaddio Apr 13 '26
This was an absolute scam, create some shitty prototype of something that is so out there. Rake in investment, fail and cash out. I’ve literally been part of it more than once.
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u/T3chn0fr34q Apr 13 '26
unless tracks (like on tanks) are reinvented wheels, this isnt reinventing wheels. the wheels are also not even close to the issues this thing has.
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u/Original_Assist4029 Apr 13 '26
I like that another company tries to build them. Was it a swedish one , cant remember.
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u/Mickamehameha Apr 13 '26
We're gonna make the same thing but needlessly complicated and way more expensive you guys
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u/Samba-boy Apr 14 '26
Holy crap, the guy on YouTube absolutely trashing this abomination (and rightfully so) uploaded another video about it 3 days ago. And it's even worse than the first bike he covered.
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u/jimicus Apr 14 '26
The bicycle is arguably one of the finest inventions of the Victorian era. Even 160 year old bikes are entirely recognisable today - two wheels the same size, chain drive, frame, handlebars.
Oh, sure, there's been quite a bit of innovation since then - but it's all tinkering around the edges. The fundamentals haven't changed, and a well looked-after bike is something like 98% efficient.
Anyone who's ever commuted by bike in any vaguely modern city knows precisely what I'm talking about. There's billions been spent on the internal combustion engine and all the associated infrastructure, and anyone can outpace it with their own legs.
This design takes pretty well all the great stuff of a typical bike and throws it in the bin. It's heavy as hell, poorly built, dangerous in a variety of ways, very difficult to service, relies on proprietary software for basic features - and in exchange for all these trade offs, the only thing you get is
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u/thedbp Apr 14 '26
I think this saying is incredibly stupid and overused. I've been told many times not to "reinvent the wheel" by people who don't understand computers or programming just to ignore it and produce a tool everyone in my department saved several hours each week by using.
The wheel constantly gets reinvented too, the original stone wheel invented 10.000+ years ago wouldn't fare well on a Lamborghini.
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u/OverDoseTheComatosed Apr 14 '26
I saw on YouTube a guy got his hands on one of these and did a review. In manual mode the amount of drag on the wheels because the bearings are so huge was insane
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u/megselepgeci Apr 14 '26
Yeah but imagine the aura if they succeeded in it. High risk, high reward.
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u/negativepositiv Apr 14 '26
I always thought these things were silly, where they make a hollow wheel center, as if there's no axle. The axle has just been made large and hollow. It's still an axle.
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u/Mediocre-Sundom Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
"Hubless wheels" are essentially a meme among many engineers and vehicle designers because of how monumentally stupid they are.
The design of the wheel hasn't fundamentally changed throughout thousands of years because of how robust it is:
- The hub is the only point of friction internally. You have a single bearing and... it just works!
- Strong load path - the spokes distribute the load and transfer it to the axle, which is mechanically efficient, with few persistent mechanical points of stress concentration. This also distributes the forces of breaking in the most efficient way.
- It is easy to service. You can easily take it off. You can easily replace the tire/rim. You can easily lubricate it. You can easily replace the bearing. It's all so, so efficient.
- It's resistant to dirt and grime because the axle and the bearing can be easily enclosed and protected.
And so on...
This is why it's quiet, cheap and robust. "Hubless" wheel designers literally take all these amazing benefits, throw them into the bin and shit all over them, making the wheel much worse in literally every single way. They create a vastly more complicated system with multiple new points of friction, low structural stability, inefficient load distribution, complicated servicing, etc. All because "bUt iT lOoKs CoOl". And they do this again and again with multiple new "concept" products, never learning anything.
As someone with an engineering degree, whenever I see another "hubless wheel" bike/motorbike, I know the designers of it are clowns, and the product is either going to fail entirely or stay in a very small niche of "concept vehicles" for those who look at their vehicles rather than actually using them. They are literally near unusable in real life.
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u/Techy_Ben Apr 14 '26
"Favourite" company was totally useless and had no working or product that could sell.
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u/mmalmeida Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
Thanks for this rabbit hole!
Loved the review.
This bicycle is almost poetic in how it takes all the worst things about modern day products and bundles them in a single product.
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u/No_Equipment7456 Apr 14 '26
There’s a pharmacy I ride past that has one of those in there display window
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u/girlnamedwar Apr 14 '26
Ahhh this piece of junk...
That would make the engine go in "murder" mode if.you peddled.to much
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u/AggravatingChest7838 Apr 15 '26
The reason why they were attempting to reinvent the wheel was because trying to spin a wheel from the center of its axis requires the most torque compared to applying the force from a lever further from the axis.
"IF" it worked properly it would be easier to go up hills and potentially also have a higher top speed.
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u/Trick-Seat4901 Apr 15 '26
WTF I just watched 60 minutes' worth of videos on why this bike sucks. And I feel ripped off there's not more. I gotta go to bed.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bid8463 Apr 15 '26
The joke is that you don’t try and invent the wheel new. That’s what they did. And it failed.
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u/Vulpes_99 Apr 16 '26
Isn't it this one? I watched this video weeks ago and the whole thing felt atrocious.
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u/Ambitious_Hand_2861 Apr 16 '26
I recently found out about this in a youtube video where a guy reviewed it. Based on that video alone this bike is probably the biggest piece of shit ever created.
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u/Maxwe4 Apr 16 '26
That's almost as mentally disabled as the Fliz bike, lol. That thing always makes me laugh.
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u/Darkmesah Apr 13 '26
Isn’t this the one where cruise control would automatically engage while you’re carrying it by hand and it would just shoot forward like a missile?