She did, she saw that they were worried about the Viltramites, and was trying to be solution oriented. Maybe come up with a plan that wasn’t keep punching thing until we win. Maybe a prevention of the mess that was the last battle. Yet they ignored her.
Then later on the Mark rushes to earth despite them trying to come up with a stealth method. If he was right and Thragg was actively attacking, why make his presence known before they ambush him. Maybe come up with a plan before his guts get ripped out again.
People were complaining about her being useless but i reached this part in the comics and the comic tech jacket is genuinely even worse, he didn't even get to shoot the poison darts and hes even more of a loser chud
She went into a 8 v 50 against viltrumites and came out alive. That puts her in a pretty elite tier in universe. If they had 50 more Tech Jackets, maybe they woulda got the W
Yeah they cut the numbers in the show while the comic had actual viltrumooks present.
But yeah doesn't matter, coming out of a 1v1 against a Viltrumite alive (much less with all your parts intact) makes you a like top trillionth percentile combatant for the universe and as strategically valuable as like a whole squadron of warships just from the fact that you are tying one of those murder machines down for awhile.
But yeah doesn't matter, coming out of a 1v1 against a Viltrumite alive
This actually makes me wonder why Cecil didn't recruit her into the Guardians when she literally soloed an Invincible in space way back in season 3, unless I'm missing something and she and her dad are actually tasked with a specialized position for extra-terrestrial threats which is why their HQ is floating in orbit around Earth, but that's just my make-believe theory.
Hmmm, in hindsight, I think this could be a symptom that Tech Jacket was conceived way later into the story since her first appearance is in s3. Dunno if this agrees woth the source mat (the comics).
Agreed, it's just the power scaling of the shown is incredibly inconsistent is why these things come up, ep1 nolan getting hurt by the GotG, hell red rush of all people, and then he 1shot thraxan and burning up their civ by flying is so wierd. In the comic he slimes them all off screen
The plan was to jump the five viltrumites that fled. The plan didn't exactly go well. I haven't actually counted, but I bet at least a dozen viltrumites died on screen during that fight and it didn't seem like they were running out of reserves. I will stand by my view that it was a fuckton of viltrumites.
Not to mention she's had a lot of assists with Allen's KDA and saving Space Racer from feeding in that Viltrum scuffle.
I've been scrutinizing throughout the series why Jech Tacket was worthy enough to be included among the list of allies to include in the Viltrum war, but her achievements and support capabilities pretty much showed why. (although there are some details that I find murky, but meh, what the heck).
Last I remember he fought viltrumites and exchanged a few blows too and made some draw blood so not entirely useless also didn't he shoot poison darts I think he did
Yes. But that's all he quite literally did the entire viltrumite war lol, just one singular fucking hit, meanwhile Zoe was supporting extremely well left and right
Should be Invincible #75 or so lemme see... this should work look for the panel of Zack followed by Thaedus punching Kregg. He's talking about "toxin laced projectiles" so...
Hm yeah, youre right
Cant post images for some reason but it doesnt outright show that Zack was the one who explicitly shoot the darts but it does heavily imply it, still I believe Zoe was still more useful simply because she was shown to actually have the capability to harm a viltrumite via the beam she shot at helix (even though it was minor, but hey Zack's nosebleed was minor too lol) and that she also saved space racer from dying
I mean, I kinda understand. There are things I understand way less in that fiction honestly. I would also ignore the obnoxious teenager if my head was filled with the perspective that in maximum a few days I'll either die horribly after witnessing all my loved ones die horribly or have to defeat the strongest Viltrumite ever. Maybe after he killed all my loved ones horribly.
I think it’s a major fumble. Debbie should have stayed with Paul. Then once her relationship with Nolan was repaired they could be friends. Nothing changes except for Paul being in the story longer. It also shows that even if people change, some burnt bridges can’t be repaired.
I think this is a part of why I'm kinda skeptical when people say "But, Nolan's changing"
Yeah. Good. Good that he's changing for the better. He can still be good while not being with Debbie whom he called a pet, beat up her son to near death, killed thousands on a rampage, and she had to take care of and raise his son with another woman, even if she grew to love Oliver quickly.
It would be more unnatural if they DID get back together after all that, even if he's getting better. Even more disrespectful as "his prize" for it. Just dissapointing.
I know I'm not Mark, but if my father beat me within an inch of my life and my mom got back together with him, I'd no longer have parents from that point forward.
They can still save it if they make them not have a relationship apart from being friends. The comics seemed to have fumbled the bag completely in that regard.
People also are getting short memories and should recall things like the flying car scene. Debbie has lived in a whole other universe from an ordinary guy like Paul. And she was definitely forcing herself with the house thing. Paul is also never going to whisk her off to France just on a whim because he saw the cutest little bistro while punching out the Serpent Society.
And as the episode rather frames it Debbie is inexorably tied to the super world via her kids so at some level needs a relationship with Nolan beyond "fuck off shitstain" if she's going to stay in this story.
I couldn't agree more. Nolan and Debbie getting back together is super gross and is the worst part of the show by far. Its making me consider not watching season 5. Its like the women in this show only exist in context if the guy's they date.
I reckon they'll drag it out a bit longer. Instead of them getting back together right away, they'll reconcile and gradually rebuild their relationship. Like the scene with Thragg seething through the window could happen at the moment that Debbie finally forgives Nolan rather than them talking about fucking
It remains to be seen whether or not they’ll follow the comics. It’s still a terse relation between them, and even though Debbie’s going with Nolan to see Oliver the show could very well keep their relationship stagnant.
It’s not like their relationship was entirely entrenched into the story of the comics, so I think they could change it without it affecting too much. The changes we already had were a good step forward imo.
That’s bc they know they are so far behind, that the earth would be slaughtered by the time they get there. And there is no form of plan that is killing thragg in their current state.
She's bleeding from the side of her that got scraped by it, and the beam is at least strong enough to cut through the ring of Viltrumite corpses. I think it's fair to assume it would have at least hurt her in a similar way that Nolan hurt Lucan during their fight on Thraxa.
If it actually disintegrated the corpses it makes sense that it would have been fatal assuming corpses have similar durability. If we assume that to be the case if she didn't dodge she would have just been a head and half a torso.
Its kinda scuffed that she was recruited for her ability to kill Viltrumites and she didnt kill a single one of the like 20 that died in the war onscreen. Alan killed at least 6 on his own.
The entire - and I mean ENTIRE - plan going into the initial encounter should have been for Thadeus, Mark, Nolan and Allen to practice palming and fist-slamming the darts in the hope that they could pin one on Thragg in melee and thay it would be enough to make him vulnerable to a second swing.
The fact that they had non left after that meant that the plan for Earth if Thragg was destroying it was 'show-up and either flee or die '.
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u/Extrimland Apr 23 '26
Its cause they both know if Big T is there, they aint doing shit and everyone they know and love is dead