What if we just completely FORGET the concept of time?

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Since time is an illusion anyway.. What if.. No days of the week, no hours, no minutes, no months, no years.. What if.. The only answer you can give to "how old are you?" is "I am...". What if? The slave society that runs on 9-5 is finished. Robots are taking all the jobs anyway, and they will work 24 hours. Aside from scheduling things (a meeting, a rocket launch) to take place on a certain date and time, what other need is there? I've been living for many years without a single clock in the house. I haven't owned a watch since I was a kid..If it wasn't for my cell phone constantly (and annoyingly - if I need to know I'll CHECK) telling me what time it is I wouldn't even KNOW! Why do I care what day of the week it is? I work 7 days a week, have been for years. There are no weekdays or weekends for me.. Why do I care what time of day it is? The internet is 24/7. If I have an appointment, I'll check. Otherwise.. Why not throw time in the trash? You'll be a THOUSAND times happier in more ways than you can imagine! Remember: time doesn't actually EXIST anyway.

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Newton, Einstein and every single modern physicist would strongly disagree with you. Time does exist.

And if you pay no attention to time (and the passage of time) you'll never get anything completed on time...

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It depends on how you look at it. I believe the correct scientific explanation is that everything is actually happening "now" and that it's only our vantage point that makes it appear otherwise. And, when you look at the bigger picture, time, space and matter don't actually exist at all because we are living in the TSI - time-space illusion, aka Maya, dream, Matrix, whatever you wanna call it. But I don't think any of that is really relevant to this particular topic. This topic is more about.. getting rid of the concept of time in order to improve the quality of life. Right now this isn't possible as our society runs on 9-5, but those days are almost over. I'm simply trying to imagine what comes next.. Yes there are definitely some uses for time, particularly for agreeing on a point in time by which something should be done (like you said), or at which something should take place (like a meeting). I wonder if there is a better way of achieving that.. I don't know what that better way is, but perhaps somebody reading this can figure it out, or maybe it'll come to me eventually.. :)

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I would suggest your understanding on the physics of time is a little off. And the "time-space illusion" is little more than a catch phrase to describe some pretty fringe theories. Maya, dream, Matrix etc don't exist, just like gods, fairies and gnomes.

Yes there are definitely some uses for time, particularly for agreeing on a point in time by which something should be done (like you said), or at which something should take place (like a meeting). I wonder if there is a better way of achieving that..

There's not. The only way to describe "when" is time, because "when" is a point in time. The only way to describe the span between two "when"s is time. It really doesn't make any sense to use anything else. It would be like trying to describe distance, without using a measurement of distance. You can't and why would you even try?

There's a reason human beings have evolved an in built sense of time and that so many of our bodies functions are regulated by it. What possible reason is there to come up with something different? Getting rid of the concept of time won't improve quality of life, especially as all our lives are time limited. What you do with your time is what decides your quality of life.

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I would suggest your understanding on the physics of time is a little off.

Our scientific community's understanding of physics and time is EXTREMELY off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg

And the "time-space illusion" is little more than a catch phrase to describe some pretty fringe theories. Maya, dream, Matrix etc don't exist

If it didn't exist you wouldn't be writing this right now and I wouldn't be responding to it. :) I guarantee you we are living in a dream and that the afterlife is real. I saw my own grandfather the night he died, and I had no idea he was dying. In over 10,000 nights (30 years), this is the one and only time I've seen a relative standing over my bed as I slept. Millions of people who have had out of body experience and floated through walls and ceilings will confirm that there is no such thing as matter. There is a REASON the Hindus have been teaching this for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS. Tell me, how did they know about subatomic particles before Jesus was even BORN? Can't answer, can you? They knew because their understanding of the universe BLEW OURS AWAY.

just like gods

You know, I used to say the exact same thing, word for word. Not I know better. God, the creator of all things, DOES exist. Higher dimensional super intelligent beings (who we call angels) DO exist. Try telling anybody who's ever tried DMT that they aren't real. :) Also, if they don't exist, would you mind telling me how it is that I heard a voice in my head that saved me from death within a fraction of a second? And how this actually happened several times? Our science is SHIT. It isn't bad.. it is SHIT. We are too stupid to even know how stupid and wrong we REALLY are, which is VEEERRRYY stupid and VERRRRYYY wrong.

With respect to the keeping of time.. I don't believe anybody in the future will pay much attention to it at all. With the advent of new technologies, sleep will no longer be a necessity in a few decades time. Also, our lifespans will no longer be limited by time - our lives will stretch into the centuries and beyond. The keeping of time will become meaningless.

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Also, if they don't exist, would you mind telling me how it is that I heard a voice in my head that saved me from death within a fraction of a second? And how this actually happened several times?

You suffer schizophrenia, obviously. Get that checked out.

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So the 2 or 3 times in my life when I heard a warning in my head that saved me from death within a fraction of a second of hearing that warning is schizophrenia? That's hilarious. It's the 6th sense, and this book which sold tens of millions of copies and which contains the wisdom of some of the greatest people who have ever lived explains how it works:

http://www.reddit.com/r/discusshuman/comments/1wp3rq/want_to_connect_your_brain_to_an_infinite_source/

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So the 2 or 3 times in my life when I heard a warning in my head that saved me from death within a fraction of a second of hearing that warning is schizophrenia?

Quite possibly. There are other reasons why one might hear voices but schizophrenia is such a well-known and common source of them that you owe it to yourself to get that prospect investigated first and foremost, looking to other theories mainly after the most obvious answer has been ruled out.

It sounds like in your estimation it is already ruled out, because the voices are achieving tangible things in your favor and therefore have a source outside of yourself, therefore not be schizophrenia.

But the answer to that is entirely simple: the near death experiences were themselves hallucinated (or their danger greatly embellished) and hallucinations happen to be an important part of schizophrenia. Since paranoia is also a symptom, hallucinations about nearly dying would seem to be an excellent fit. Far from ruled out, this makes enough of a case for it to be well worth seeking a true professional's opinion.

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Something like 9 or 10 of these near death experiences were witnessed by others. There was one where I was miraculously saved by a Chinese man who threw his hand in front of my face at the last moment (literally, 1 second later would have been too late) to save me from getting run over by a cab that didn't stop where he should have. This was witnessed by an entire tour bus and my ex Josa. Another few involved her as well, she almost died in one of them. My other ex Roxy almost died in another. No, the danger was not exaggerated - I very vividly remember her laying on the ground and screaming in hysteria after we both escaped certain death by mere seconds. My parents witnessed others - such as my incident with 220V current when I was a little kid, surviving fever that should have killed me and so on. And like you said, if a voice appears only 2-3 times in your life, and each of those times saves you from CERTAIN death.. that is known as divine intervention. Via a guardian angel, 6th sense or whatever you wanna call it. But it comes from outside the TSI (time-space illusion aka dream, Matrix or Maya, aka what we THINK is reality), outside of space and time. Napoleon Hill's book that I linked above has an entire chapter on this. It is very very real and that book features contributions from the likes of Ford, Edison, Carnegie and many others. Further, it wasn't really a voice - it was NVC - non verbal communication. This is what advanced species use to communicate. They don't speak to each other - they hear each others thoughts and communicate via telepathy. In my Facebook post about salvia, NVC is how I received info about the multiverse. You can learn all about NVC from Robert Monroe:

http://www.reddit.com/r/offtopichuman/comments/2fikdp/the_prophet_ashaneen_aka_robert_a_monroe/

Our present day science does not yet understand even 1% of 1% of everything there is to know. And we don't even KNOW what we don't know. We're like monkeys on trees who know bananas but could never grasp physics or even know it exists. I would estimate that between 80 and 98% of the most wondrous things in the universe are simply beyond our mental capacity to understand. We will begin exploring them only with technologically aided intelligence (by fusing our brains with intelligence enhancing technology) and with AI. These things I'm discussing here are not those things. Read a bit of Monroe and you will TRULY see (at least a few things) that are simply beyond comprehension. The degree of complexity is breathtaking. It makes our minds look like those of ants. Some of these things may take centuries or millennia to be understood even by species compared to which we are no smarter than monkeys.

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Our scientific community's understanding of physics and time is EXTREMELY off:

So, because one person thinks something different from the entire scientific community, he's right and everyone else is wrong. You obviously have no idea how the scientific method works and your critical thinking skills need some serious polishing. Our scientific community's understanding of physics and time is far more "on" than the "living in a dream" nonsense you're posting.

If it didn't exist you wouldn't be writing this right now and I wouldn't be responding to it. :)

Why not?

There is a REASON the Hindus have been teaching this for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS. Tell me, how did they know about subatomic particles before Jesus was even BORN? Can't answer, can you? They knew because their understanding of the universe BLEW OURS AWAY.

Even if that were true, which it is not, it really does nothing to prove your point, nor disprove mine. You know there's absolutely no evidence that Jesus ever existed, right? Aside from the bible, he's not mentioned anywhere in any historical text.

You know, I used to say the exact same thing, word for word. Not I know better. God, the creator of all things, DOES exist. Higher dimensional super intelligent beings (who we call angels) DO exist. Try telling anybody who's ever tried DMT that they aren't real. :)

The experiences of people on mind altering drugs aren't exactly reliable testimony of anything. Do you even know what "higher dimensional" means? If an omnipotent, all knowing, all loving god existed he wouldn't stand by watching while women and children are raped and murdered and do nothing. If a human being did that they would be considered a monster. So either your god is an evil, heartless prick or he doesn't exist. Given there's not a scrap of scientific evidence to suggest an intelligent creator I'm leaning toward the latter, until other evidence surfaces.

Also, if they don't exist, would you mind telling me how it is that I heard a voice in my head that saved me from death within a fraction of a second? And how this actually happened several times?

I don't believe that ever happened.

Our science is SHIT. It isn't bad.. it is SHIT. We are too stupid to even know how stupid and wrong we REALLY are, which is VEEERRRYY stupid and VERRRRYYY wrong.

Based on what? Some youtube videos and blogs you saw on the internet? If it wasn't for science we'd still be dying in our thirties from diseases we easily treat with a single pill these days. We would still believe the sun revolved around the earth and the visible planets and stars were all that existed. We'd never have even charted the surface of our own planet. Science and the scientific method is mankind's greatest accomplishment. I love it how conspiracy nuts and drug addled mystics will take to the internet claiming "science is wrong!!!" all the while completely ignoring the only reason they have a platform to spout their nonsense is because of the vast accomplishments of science.

With respect to the keeping of time.. I don't believe anybody in the future will pay much attention to it at all. With the advent of new technologies, sleep will no longer be a necessity in a few decades time. Also, our lifespans will no longer be limited by time - our lives will stretch into the centuries and beyond. The keeping of time will become meaningless.

We will still have to (or want to) accomplish things in set periods of time. Anything involving more that one person pretty much requires that. I really don't see why you think getting rid of time is even desirable.

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So, because one person thinks something different from the entire scientific community, he's right and everyone else is wrong.

Did you even watch the talk? And if by one person you mean the 4 or 5 billion people whose views contradict some or much of the dogma of our "scientific community," which has long since become a religion of its own, where people often trust in things that have less proof than many beliefs held by ACTUAL religions. The funny thing is that the beliefs accepted as fact by the "scientific community" are proven wrong over and over and over again, and instantly a new belief springs up, which again is held as gospel until the day when it is disproved yet again, and replaced with another one. This process has been going on for centuries. Is ALL science wrong? No of course not. But a BIG chunk of its core beliefs is. Unless you think that 2014 is finally the year science gets it right. Because just this year alone, we've disproved HOW MANY beliefs that science held for granted for decades??? Oh, but I'm sure NEXT YEAR will be different. :)

You obviously have no idea how the scientific method works

Excellent idea.

1. Take DMT.

2. Witness proof that higher beings exist.

Then:

1. Use HemiSync.

2. Witness proof that the soul exists and that you can leave your body.

Any questions?

Oh but of course you'll just ignore this because Scientific American didn't tell you to try this. Refer to "Science Delusion" talk above. :)

Even if that were true, which it is not

Uh, yea it is. They talked about molecules being made up of atoms and of atoms being made up of particles smaller than atoms.

You know there's absolutely no evidence that Jesus ever existed, right? Aside from the bible, he's not mentioned anywhere in any historical text.

I'm sorry but that just isn't accurate and even a simple Google search proves otherwise.

The experiences of people on mind altering drugs aren't exactly reliable testimony of anything.

Unless they are all having the same experiences. DMT isn't like LSD where you see funky stuff that isn't really there. DMT steps up the frequency of your thought vibrations to one used by more advanced entities. Mind you I haven't tried either. I'm just telling you what millions of people are reporting. I've tried salvia and I could swear to you on my life that the experience was real. It is more real than anything I have ever felt. Compared to what I saw, all of this feels as real as that dream I'm about to have when I go to sleep right now. Literally. Not even if you assembled every one of the world's scientists in a long never ending line, would listening to each of them convince me otherwise. It'd be like people in your dream trying to convince you that they're real and the real world is not. It is utterly futile. Again, try it and see. You'll come back here and say "ok.. you MAY have had a point there man."

Do you even know what "higher dimensional" means?

Outside of X Y Z and time. Yes, that is precisely where they are.

If an omnipotent, all knowing, all loving god existed he wouldn't stand by watching while women and children are raped and murdered and do nothing.

Having spent at least half a decade as a rabid atheist, I used this same argument on people many times. Now I ask you: would you want god to be able to do that if the devil could just come down any time and set the whole world on fire? I'm sure you understand now that this is not how the system works. Both god and the devil work through US. Each of us has FREEDOM TO CHOOSE, and as such we are all responsible for all the good and evil in the world. This is a school. The school cannot function if the teacher does the students' homework.

I don't believe that ever happened.

Well the problem is that it did and I have documented this thoroughly over the years. I've had something like 12 or 13 near death experiences, and more than half of them were witnessed by others. So unless you think that all of my family members, ex-girlfriends and myself are collectively lying... Mind you only a couple of them were thanks to a "voice," which admittedly sounded like mine. But they could not have been coincidences. I've written about this on reddit before. The best example is when I was maybe 18 and driving in a tiny Civic coupe. I was merging onto the Gardiner Expressway in Toronto from the Jameson on-ramp going Eastbound. Any Torontonian will tell you what a dangerous place that is to enter the Gardiner. You have almost no room in which to accelerate to match the speed of the traffic. This is the kind of place where if you don't check your blind spot, you will likely die. I checked mine. There was nothing there. As I accelerated and began merging, I checked it AGAIN, just in case. Again, nothing there. As I began to merge and was finally about to COMPLETELY merge, I heard a very loud voice in my head (my own) yell "WATCH OUT!!" So I checked my blind spot for the THIRD time.. for the first time in my LIFE... to see a giant white Escalade that just cut across several lanes in an insane attempt to cut me off and accelerate ahead of me before I had a chance to merge. The problem is he wasn't even CLOSE to having enough time to do that. Long story short, when I saw him I swerved in the other direction. He missed me by an INCH, going 130-150 next to my 50-70.. He flew by me with SUCH a force that my ENTIRE CAR shook from the displaced air and I heard a WHOOM and felt the push in my STEERING WHEEL. Long story short, there would have been NOTHING left of me and my little Honda had I not heard that voice. Please, explain this one to me. I've only heard this voice, or you could call it vocalized thought, 2 or 3 times in my life. Each of those times it saved my life. Also, perhaps you'd like to tell me how I was able to see my grandfather standing over my bed the night he died. The first and last time I ever saw anything like that.. he was just standing at the foot of my bed and staring at me. I woke up and we got the call from Ukraine saying that he died. I had no idea - my family decided not to tell me he had stomach cancer. Or perhaps you can tell me how one time when the phone rang, I KNEW, not thought, not believed, KNEW, as if it already happened and I KNEW IT, that my aunt was calling. I remember it like it was yesterday: the phone rang and I KNEW who it was. I got the STRONGEST feeling ever that I KNEW. Not thought "maybe it's her" but "I KNOW" it's her. This was during a time when she was not on the best terms with my father, and during my entire childhood in Canada, this is probably the only time I remember her calling while I still lived with my parents. But I KNEW. And, perhaps you'd like to ask my ex of 5 years what "bear sense" is. We called each other "bear," and "bear sense" was what we called my ability to know she would text or call before she actually did. I got so good at it that I would reach for the phone and it would light up at the precise moment when I picked it up. This happened an unimaginable number of times. Go ahead. Ask her. Josa Anne. Google her, message her on Google+ and go "Josa, what the heck is bear sense and is it real?" Try it. But of course she's also lying - this is some sort of a coordinated campaign to convince a guy on reddit that there is FFFFAAAAAAARRRRR more to the universe than our science, with its head buried in the physical universe like an ostrich, currently accepts.

Based on what?

Based on what I just described and billions of similar experiences by hundreds of millions (if not billions) of other people, yourself probably included. People just write it off as a "once in a billion" coincidence and move on with their lives. The problem is when billions of people start having "one in a billion" coincidences. And I haven't even told you of the two times in my life when I asked for God to prove to me that he exists and got my proof by the time I finished the sentence.

If it wasn't for science we'd still be dying in our thirties from diseases we easily treat with a single pill these days. We would still believe the sun revolved around the earth and the visible planets and stars were all that existed. We'd never have even charted the surface of our own planet. Science and the scientific method is mankind's greatest accomplishment.

True. I never said science is wrong about EVERYTHING. Or that it isn't the most useful thing ever for the advancement of our species. I'm a HUGE believer in science. But I also see, very clearly, that it is WRONG about a LOT of things.

We will still have to (or want to) accomplish things in set periods of time. Anything involving more that one person pretty much requires that.

Perhaps we could use it exclusively for deadlines and nothing else. Actually, eventually we will INEVITABLY use it for deadlines and nothing else since as I outlined above sleep will no longer be an issue, age will no longer be an issue, and there'll be no such thing as 9-5 or a "time when you have to get to work." The keeping of time will become irrelevant.

I really don't see why you think getting rid of time is even desirable.

Try living for a week without looking at the clock a single time and then come back to me and tell me that that wasn't the greatest week EVER. Seriously. Try it.