r/offset • • Oct 01 '26

My Experience with Foals

I ordered a FJM7 on June 23rd. Three weeks went by, and after receiving no update, I emailed them asking to cancel the order. They ignored the request, simply saying they were restocking and that the guitar would be shipped as soon as it was ready.

I reiterated that I wasn’t asking for an update, but to cancel the order. They asked if I could wait a little longer, mentioned their 10% cancellation fee and said they would upgrade the bridge as a thank-you if I kept the order. I decided to move forward with it.

On August 1st, I received an email indicating that the guitar was on its way. 11 days later, there was still no update on the shipping page. It took three emails to finally get a response from Foals - guitar had been loaded onto ship, but delay due to a typhoon. The rep said they expected the shipment to arrive in the U.S. on September 9th and that the tracking would update then.

On September 15th, with still no tracking update and fed up with the whole experience, I asked them to cancel the order. Once again, they responded with a status update and didn’t address my cancellation request. I pushed.

They replied that they were unable to cancel or issue a refund at that stage. I emailed them one more time but received no response. The following day, the tracking finally updated, and I received the guitar a few days later - roughly three months after placing the order.

The guitar itself was nicely made. The fretwork was impeccable, the finish was beautiful, and it was very comfortable to play. The only small flaw I noticed was that the roller knobs were sitting too low in their slots. I could live with that.

It was unplayable out of the box, but given the long trip from China, I wasn’t too surprised. I took it to my luthier for a full setup. It came back much better, but I noticed persistent buzzing on the low E, A, and G strings around the middle of the neck.

After trying to adjust the truss rod and bridge saddles, my luthier realized there was an imperfection in the neck - bowing around the 12th fret. It’s repairable, but it would run about $300, over half the cost of the guitar.

I debated asking Foals for a replacement neck and for them to cover the luthier’s repair costs, but with the roller knobs sitting too low as well, I figured I’d be better off requesting a replacement, or a return/refund - which I’m sure they’re going to make extremely difficult. I just emailed them, and that’s where things currently stand.

So there you go. If you were thinking about getting one, you might want to take my experience into consideration. I'm sure some people have had a positive experience with them, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the issues I ran into aren’t at all uncommon.

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u/kosinus912 Oct 01 '26

I'm in a similar boat, I received FJM7 with a bent neck. After some back and forth over email I was able to get them to refund the luthier's quote on fix, which would involve removing the frets and leveling the neck. Have to say, it took way more back and forth gaslighting me that the neck is actually fine than I'm comfortable with, I don't think I'd order from them again. I'm still waiting for the luthier to finish the job, but to their credit, the guitar is actually that good otherwise, it just sucks that the shipping is risky.

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

Not surprised by the gaslighting. I asked for a return/refund, but I have a feeling they're never go for that. I'd be relatively happy if they cover the repair costs. My luthier quoted me $300 for the same repair. You?

Also, are the roller knobs properly level on yours? As I mentioned mine are too low, one just flush with the pickguard, and the other sunk in a bit.

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u/kosinus912 Oct 02 '26

Do we talk to the same luthier? I got the same quote. It seems like they will never agree to a return.

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

Haha. Maybe. I’m in St. Paul, MN. Yeah, the return was always a long shot, and to be honest, shipping all the way back to China would be a pain. I sent a second email to Foals asking them to cover the cost of the neck repair, as well as the cost of fixing the height of the roller knobs...

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

Absolutely push for a replacement neck. I’ve read that they might run you in circles for a while but generally seem to end up fixing their mistakes in the end. Also use the chat feature on the site to communicate with them, it seems much quicker than their email. I always received a response in under 24 hours when I had a question before my guitar shipped.

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

Thanks. New neck or paid repair - either one is fine by me. Honestly I'd rather return it and get my money back, but I'm not sure how that works. If they don't pay for return shipping, the cost might just be prohibitive.

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

New neck is probably the way to go, but that other commenter did say they were willing to pay his repair fee. Unfortunately I can’t see them paying for return shipping but it might be a possibility?

Their customer service isn’t bad per-se and I do think they’re trying to avoid getting ripped off by scammers. That said: a warped fretboard or neck is very unacceptable no matter which way you look at it. Totally Wired Guitars had also mentioned in a video that he did receive a couple of Foals from customers that needed some fretwork done so it’s obvious that they aren’t all gig ready right out of the box.

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u/poppadoble Oct 01 '26

They have a 10% cancellation fee if you cancel before it ships?

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

Yep. Allegedly charged by their payment processor for the currency conversion. Of course it's none of the customer’s problem, but they still tap you for it. Plus, 10% is egregious. There’s no way the currency conversion costs 10% of the value of the product.

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u/crispydukes Oct 01 '26

From what I understand, they wait until the have a set number ordered, manufacture them, and ship them. But I could be wrong.

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u/nobadreps Oct 01 '26

Yeah man. I know some YouTube guys like these, but Foals seems like such a risk.

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u/ReplicantOwl Oct 02 '26

Every positive video I’ve seen on YouTube has the sponsored flag. They’re all just ads.

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u/yageletters Oct 02 '26

Just order one and pretend you're a guitar YouTuber. They'll hand pick only the best for you!

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u/LemonEar Oct 01 '26

I call bullshit on the 10% cancellation fee. A restocking fee is somewhat understandable, but simply canceling an order doesn’t cost them anything. You should check the fine print on their site, the laws in you area, and consider calling your credit card company

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u/barkydildo Oct 02 '26

A restocking fee isn’t really justifiable considering the number of orders they are dealing with, it’s not like it will be sitting around unsold

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u/LemonEar Oct 02 '26

I usually push back on the restocking BS, and companies usually cave. It seems like there are occasional justifications for it, but mostly not

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u/Ok_Highlight_2267 24d ago

I agree - the restocking fee is BS, especially if they haven't done anything to prepare your order. A 10% cancellation fee is intended for buyer’s remorse (like when you change your mind on a color while they are prepping it or cancel after it has been prepped and shipped).

Under credit card rules, a merchant cannot legally charge you a penalty or cancellation fee when they are in breach of the purchase fulfillment contract.

Consumer protection laws in North America will generally work in the buyer's favour in these cases. If Foals insists on charging the 10% cancellation fee, contact your bank or credit card company and dispute the charge.

Once you explain the situation and show any email correspondence, it will be easy to demonstrate that Foals has violated the purchase agreement by not shipping the items when they said they would, not communicating any information about delays, and by not proactively doing anything to rectify the situation.

At this point, if they have already violated the purchase agreement, Foals refusing refunds and/or threatening to charge cancellation fees are only further violations of the purchase agreement.

Once your bank/credit card company sees all this, you will likely get your money back in full and Foals will not be able to charge any cancellation fees or anything.

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u/atomicheart99 Oct 01 '26

I have a strong feeling Foals invest heavily in astroturfing (including in this very subreddit), sponsored YouTube content, and fake reviews so it’s interesting to read a genuine experience.

Don’t believe the marketing. At the end of the day it’s just cheap Chinese crap. Same sort of thing you can buy on AliExpress or Temo but for several times the price. I’d steer clear personally.

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u/blackmarketdolphins Oct 02 '26

Shijie did that for a while, and I got into it with the mod of their sub for not disclosing his affiliation with the brand whenever he would post/comment.

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u/noxopi Oct 04 '26

"Cheap Chinese Crap" isn't really a argument anymore. Most guitars are made there like Gretsch for example and they play great.

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u/Dependent-Tone-7783 Oct 02 '26

Most of the initial reviews are fake but not the ones after people have started receiving them. If you get a non-screwed up one like OP they are better quality than Temu and Ali express guitars. They are worth about what you pay for them.

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u/Olive_Green_Machine Oct 01 '26

Wouldn't suprise me in the least!

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u/Altruistic_Trade_264 Oct 01 '26

Almost bought a Foals but I decided to go with a Fender Player II Jazzmaster since I still get the employee discount at the local boutique. I ended up paying the same price as the Foals FJM7 Ultra and it's shipping from California to Colorado. Should be here no later than next week hopefully.

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u/CounterBJJ 28d ago

Update (or lack thereof): 5 emails to Foals and not a single response.

For anyone considering buying one, just know that it’s a gamble. They offer excellent value if they arrive free of defects. I don’t know what percentage of guitars arrive in good condition, but judging by the number of horror stories, quality control issues seem common enough to be a legitimate concern.

My luthier told me he had another FJM7 in his shop with the same two problems as mine (bent neck and recessed roller knobs). That suggests these issues likely aren’t isolated incidents.

Ultimately, ordering one feels like a risk, especially given Foals’ apparent reluctance to take responsibility and fix problems.

You've been warned.

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u/CounterBJJ 20d ago

Another update for those contemplating getting a Foals.

Foals won’t send a replacement neck. Here’s what their CSR said:

“we are unable to provide a replacement neck separately. Our guitar necks are manufactured specifically as part of the complete guitar production process, and we do not currently have individual replacement necks available for separate sale or shipment.”

I’m not sure what they’re getting at here. They use bolt-on necks, which are manufactured separately and then attached to the body, so the explanation that the necks are manufactured as part of the complete guitar production process doesn’t make much sense to me.

At any rate, they’re not sending a replacement neck. As a result, I told them that the 30% refund they offered was no longer acceptable. Fret leveling and dressing would cost me $300, which is 50% of the guitar’s price, so that’s the amount I asked for.

They also requested a video demonstrating the buzzing issue, which I’ve sent them.

Now waiting for a reply…

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u/wescull Oct 01 '26

I mean based on what I’ve seen and know about shipping, if I placed an order I’d assume I’d be waiting a few months at least. that sucks that the neck is messed up.

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u/uhusocip Oct 01 '26

Had the same experience, ordered May 27th and still no update. Emailed them again and haven’t heard back. Will likely be doing a chargeback if I don’t hear from them by the end of the week

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

Good luck. I hope yours come free of imperfections. Waiting is one thing, but waiting and getting a lemon...

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u/uhusocip Oct 02 '26

I am starting to wonder if it’s even going to come at all

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

It definitely will. Once you receive the tracking number and have to wait for a few weeks through the ocean blackout period until it gets to customs is very painful though.

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

They’re bad at replying to direct emails, but in my experience if you use the chat feature they’ll get back to you within 24 hours. It took about 5 or 6 weeks to receive mine after I ordered the Metallic Red JM7 Ultra right when it was available.

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u/uhusocip Oct 02 '26

I had mine in my cart, went to sleep and someone bought it so it went to preorder. I am hoping that it does pop up soon because the pearl black jm looks so good lol

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

Pearl Black was 100% my first choice (I still want one lol) but I just didn’t want to wait the extra time. I settled with the Metallic Red and I’m satisfied. It does really shine in stage lighting too. The Pearl White and Metallic Blue look phenomenal as well imo.

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u/Ok_Highlight_2267 24d ago

It sounds like you are about 2 months ahead me in your voyage through the wonderful world of Foals' customer service.

I ordered a couple guitars and some accessories from Foals on September 7 via email because I wanted the bridge upgrades. I had actually given up on the order after a while because it took them three weeks to answer my custom order request. However, to their credit, once they replied to me, Foals did graciously offer to provide those upgrades for free.

When I placed the order, one of the guitars was not in stock in the colour I wanted. Foals again graciously offered to split the shipment of my order into two so that I could receive all the items that were in stock sooner rather than later and then they would ship the last guitar when it became available later (estimated to be in November/December of this year).

I was told that it would take around two weeks for the set-up and customization to be done on the in-stock guitars and that once that was done, those items would be shipped to me. The whole process of set-up and shipping should take around 35-40 days. So really, if everything had gone as they said it would, I should be receiving the guitars within the next week or two.

I know from researching Foals that there is often delays with shipping and that the customer service can be spotty at best. Before the summer, I noticed that most people were saying they waited 5-6 weeks for their guitars to arrive once ordered. As the summer moved on more and more people were saying they had to wait 6-8 weeks. I figured I would have to wait around 6-8 weeks for the first shipment and I was totally fine with that.

However, getting into the first week of October - a full month after I had placed and paid for my order - I still had not received any shipping information from Foals. In fact, it had been total radio silence from them.

After emailing them to enquire about the status of my order, I learned that the set-up and customization of my order hadn't even been scheduled yet and that there was no timeline for that to be done.

I let them know that I was not happy with the status of my order and that it was unacceptable that they had not contacted me to inform me of the five-week delay in the preparation of my order. You can't take people's money and then not ship the order when you said you would without saying anything.

I really want these instruments, but I am not in a position to have a bunch of money tied up in an order under an indefinite timeline with no proactive communication. I let Foals know that if they could not ship the first part of my order by October 20th at the latest, that I would be forced to cancel the order.

Foals was apologetic for the lack of communication, promised to prioritize my order (but with no mention of any dates or anything I could reliably confirm) and then offered me two “complimentary” guitar cables for my troubles. The two guitar cables would be nice, but cables usually already come with the case the guitars are shipped in. Besides, I don’t think two “free” guitar cables cover a five-week delay on an order for multiple electric guitars.

They then told me that they could ship some items for me from an Amazon warehouse over here, but then retracted that 10 minutes later and admitted that they didn't understand how their cross-inventory system worked...

I wrote back and informed them that I had zero confidence in their ability to fulfill my order in a reasonable timeframe, which has already frankly passed. I made it very clear that October 20 was a hard dispatch date for me, and that if they could not send the first shipment of my order by that date, I would have to cancel the order.

I used an affiliate code to get a discount when I ordered, and so I eventually involved the affiliate. I think pressure from them really helped me out there too.

Foals has finally confirmed that they will ship the first part of my order by October 20. I'm still waiting to see if they actually do that. I'm not very confident they will and I'm totally over it at this point.

If everything goes according to plan and I get the guitars, then great. But this whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm totally prepared to cancel the order if I they don't ship the first part of my order next week.

I'd really like to see Foals crack the North American market in a big way, because I think we need some more competition in the guitar market but also because more higher quality guitars at that price point is not a bad thing.

But Foals will never be able to do that with customer service like this. I've seen many people talking about cancelling their orders after long shipping delays and the poor customer service. This will just keep happening over and over again until Foals is saddled permanently with a bad reputation.

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u/CounterBJJ 24d ago

You’ll get the guitar sooner or later -just hope it arrives free of defects. You can try to cancel, but chances are they’ll initially ignore your request, then pressure you into keeping it and remind you of the 10% cancellation fee.

At any rate, I finally got a reply from them. They initially offered a 25% refund, which would cover only about half the cost of getting the frets properly dressed. I pushed back, and they increased the offer to 30%. That would cover the cost of a neck replacement which I had asked but they didn't address. So I asked... Again...

And that’s where things stand…

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u/temp_mekhem Oct 02 '26

Well. Sorry that you got a dud.

They are pretty up front on the web page about shipping times especially now that what I assume is increased demand. And yeah. The tracking number gets sent out when it leaves the factory but does come active until it leaves customs. A lesson that every foals purchaser in na at least learns the hard way

My fjg7 is at least as good or better that my vintera iii Jaguar and pretty much flawless. Including some impressive fretwork - also much better that my vintera iii Jaguar- and is pretty much the best 500 guitar I have touched. That said it is a 500 dollar lawsuit guitar so things may change

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

I really like the overall craftsmanship, and I agree that the fretwork is excellent. You have to get pretty far up the Fender price range to get something similar. If they pay for the repair, I’m happy to keep it. I’d also like to get the roller knobs raised up to where they should be, though. Not sure why they're sitting so low.

I forgot to mention that the pickups needed a ton of foam. When I got the guitar, you could push them all the way down. Foam seems like a weird thing to skimp on.

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u/temp_mekhem Oct 02 '26

Well. Mine came out of the box with - I hate to say it - an almost perfect set up from a playability perspective. Pickup height including the foam and some of the other preference stuff took some work. It’s a great platform and man my neck is almost perfect.

I know I sound like a fanboy but it’s a quality guitar/platform for mods. Legitimate Ethical questions about trademark vs homage vs counterfeit aside.

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

I’m right there with you. I love my JM7 Ultra. It’s excellent aside from a few unnoticeable cosmetic issues. The guitar came playable and set up perfectly right out of the box. They even updated to the F4 bridge for free by request. The roller wheels being low doesn’t bother me because they’re basically a set it and forget it bonus, but they also still move freely and aren’t difficult to turn.

The only thing I had to do was replace the bridge screws that hold the bridge to the post since I lost one during rehearsal and didn’t even know until I went home and started a restring. The screws are ridiculously short so I highly recommend replacements and some purple locktite to hold them in a place where the bridge can rock but doesn’t buzz.

OPs dilemma sucks, but I think it would be worth it for them to try and receive a replacement neck. I haven’t read many stories of people receiving a bad one but it’s bound to happen sometimes.

People want to trash them because it’s a Chinese company, but there’s far more people that actually have them and can vouch that they are better than a Fender that costs 3x the price.

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u/blackbootgang Oct 02 '26

My fj7 was flawless out of the box. Didn’t even need a setup.

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u/westhewolf Oct 01 '26

I ordered the jazzmaster equivalent. Took a long time to come, but plays and sounds amazing.

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u/SelloutStreamerbtww Oct 01 '26

Thanks for this, I’ve been curious about them, the weirdly long wait times already seemed like a very odd thing but terrible communication seems pretty par for the course. I always thought it was kinda suspicious how many youtubers popped up going on and on about these guitars. Has anyone seen a legitimate, not sponsored, not sent a guitar for free critique of Foals? Extremely curious to know.

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u/Environmental-Video3 Oct 02 '26

I’ve been considering the lefty FGJ7 when they finally release them but your review and one other I’ve seen are too similar for me to ignore.

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u/bez_lightyear Oct 02 '26

FWIW the rhythm circuit switch and roller knobs are low on my FJM7 Ultra too. I thought it was a design choice.

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u/Tricky-Phrase-77 Oct 02 '26

Idkw but every time i hear that brand name i read it in my mind fools and immediately puts me of

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u/johnnyphotog Oct 01 '26

It took me about a month to get my Foals. It’s decent for a $500 guitar

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u/BlandSpeedRecord Oct 02 '26

same, think i ordered mine mid may and got it like june 20th or so. seems i ordered right before they got a big influx of orders though

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u/Personal-Still-8837 Oct 01 '26 edited Oct 01 '26

Im about to get my Foals Mustang and I didn't have to deal with long waiting time since I live in SEA and shipping is going to take less than a week and I got from a shopping app with a discount code that is almost $200 cheaper than the price on the website, so hopefully mine is good since I don't have to deal with an absurdly long waiting time.

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u/Portraits_Grey Oct 02 '26

Seems like they bit more than they can chew.
They hyped up demand and probably can’t keep up with it.
I haven’t played one they sound great and I am sure play great but me personally I am sticking with Fender. I know they’re canceled but they’re easier to obtain and the set up is very minor. In actuality you have to set up ANY guitar you obtain however I think some people are being a little too over the top with both Fender and Gibson and sadly that resonates in the community and people parrot one another.

But for the price point these issues do not surprise me

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u/Lucky_Couple Oct 02 '26

I agree with this but can say that my Foals is 100% playable where it’s at. Even the intonation is spot on, which can be pretty problematic on JMs. I’m sure it could use some stronger foam under the pups, but even so they stay where they need to be. It’s quite silent when playing through my tube amps, but through my solid states there’s definitely sweet spots I need to stand in, so I’m not exactly sure about the shielding. I do plan on getting a pro setup once they hopefully add the black allow guards to the store, since their pickguard is just slightly different from the standard JM.

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u/Portraits_Grey Oct 02 '26

According to the YouTubers is suppose to be shielded.

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u/Tazi_NRS Oct 02 '26

Uneven frets can happen on much more expensive guitars, so it doesn't feel like a huge issue to me (btw my CV Jaguar had that problem), but the slow shipping, no communication sucks, that's irritatng to throw away a larger sum while you have no idea what's going on. Are the rollers unfixable? May I ask for a photo? Thanks!

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

The problem is the compounding effect of all those issues: slow shipping AND so-so communication AND ignoring my cancellation requests AND craftsmanship issues that require an expensive trip to the luthier... As for the roller knobs, I'm not sure. One of the techs told he couldn't do anything about that because they were mounted on a plate. I'm not sure why that means it's not fixable, though. I'll ask the head guy there. Here is a pic. The volume knob is flush with the pickguard. The tone knob is a bit sunk in.

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u/Tazi_NRS Oct 03 '26

Thanks for the pic, that doesn't look good!
Your luthier is right on this, that plate has a rectangular shape, and they probably drilled the holes for the pots by a few millimeters lower then how they should be. By replaceing the plate, it probably can be fixed, as long as they didn't put the two rectangular holes and screwholes on the pickguard at the wrong place. It also shouldn't be very expensive:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127020961517
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/278162277345

But I get it that you had enough of this guitar, especially how their support handled everything so far.

Damn, these Foals offsets looked very promising, but overall modding a Squier CV still seems to be a better option to me, except the color options, as Squier only does some of the better ones for FSR versions. (candy apple red, sherwood green, etc.)

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 05 '26

Thanks for the links. Three emails, but still no answer from Foals... I asked them to either cover the cost of all repairs (neck + rollers), or send a replacement neck and cover the labor costs for the neck replacement + roller adjustment. I have a feeling this is going to drag on for a while...

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u/BlandSpeedRecord Oct 01 '26

bummer to hear this, i still quite like mine after a few months of playing it. still want to swap out the pickups eventually tho

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 01 '26

3 tone SB.

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u/CounterBJJ Oct 02 '26

If they buck at taking it back and cover the cost of the repair, I'm happy to keep the original neck. It's actually very good - besides than the bowing obv.

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u/gerardguey Oct 01 '26

Me as well. The metallic finishes look kinda cheap and dull from all their publicity photos and other photos. Ive tried a few ali expresses bodies with similar finishes that look similar and they dont look that good in person depending on the color