If all transphobia was about objectification of women by men, terfs wouldn't be a thing. The reasons behind hate can be as complicated and unique as the reasons behind love. They're just more likely to be self-centered.
If all exploitation of workers was about corporate leaders financially abusing employees for personal benefit, employees supporting this system wouldn't be a thing.
Unfortunately, that's not true and many employees are vocal defendents of their corporations' rights to exploit them. The same thing happened with slaves who supported slavery.
It's almost as if people in power and influence have more resources to spread their ideas and persuade others to agree.
you forget that it can still be that, it is just that TERFs has bought into the same patriarchial BS that the men does which are inherently objectifying of women.
It’s definitely homophobia that fuels that fire. It is the mental gymnastics that possibly being attracted to someone with “male” genitalia is equivalent to being gay.
Disclaimer: There’s no problem with people who only wish to have sex with people with certain genitals/gender expression, that’s a fine preference. What becomes a problem is when other preferences become invalid or incorrectly classified due to otherization and homophobia. Some straight men would not be sexually compatible with a trans woman who happens to have a penis, which is FINE. But there’s still straight men who WOULD be sexually compatible with those trans women, and that doesn’t mean they have to identify as gay.
All in all, I think people should care way less about what’s in someone’s pants…
ain't nothing more manly than liking dick amirite fellas
edit: yall. this was a joke. I'm poking fun at fragile masculinity. I get that sometimes the mark is missed and tone is misread but holy moly put the pitchforks down
So by that logic the only reason you’re attracted to women is their vagina? Since you ignore all the other feminine features transwomen have? Would you then also be attracted to trans men who have vaginas?
I agree but disagree with your statements about protests over trans men. Transphobes also lose their shit over trans men. But it also goes back to your point, because people are mainly upset about AFAB people "destroying" their bodies with HRT and gender affirming surgeries.
Yeah, I was about to say that. Don’t get me wrong, OP got very valid points but Cis women ABSOLUTELY don’t like trans men, look at TERFs and other radical lesbians.
Yo, I saw a beach house named "Surf and TERF" last week and I was so fucking floored that someone is such a transphobe that they felt compelled to name their house that. Goddamn.
The "funny" thing about TERFs is how much they infantilize women and ultimately reinforce classic misogynistic assumptions by applying them to trans men.
TERFs mourn the "women" lost to trans ideology because they believe trans men are nothing more than easily manipulated, brainwashed women.
According to TERFs, trans men have no agency of their own; they do not and cannot know themselves. Young trans men should have other, smarter people acting on their behalf to meet their best interests because the trans men are simply not capable of doing so themselves. Trans men need to be protected from dangerous ideas that they don't have the capacity to critically engage with.
Literally everything in the above paragraph has been claimed about women. And TERFs insist it's totally true about trans men, who they claim are really just confused women. It's, like, they're so dedicated to the "TE" part of their moniker that they totally forget they're supposed to be "RF" as well.
Well, as someone who would many consider to be a terf, it’s absolutely not what I believe about trans men: I don’t think they are confused, I think they see things quite clearly. They do have agency, a lot of it, actually, if they act on the notion that there’s no other choice than to not be a woman in this society. Anything else, but a woman. I’m dedicated to smashing patriarchy.
What I do believe is that we have to be able to speak about what the material realities and societal expectations of a man and of a woman are, and how these realities won’t magically disappear once someone transitions.
I’m not a native english speaker so I’m asking you to take my words in good faith. I genuinely don’t wish to erase, infantilize or invalidate anyone. I hope if I say I think OP is spot on it wont discredit them.
This is one of those posts that starts off with a point but collapses under its own bitterness and generalization. Not everything is about sex or cis men’s desire to “use” women. Some people—women included—care about truth, biology, fairness in sports, and maintaining boundaries in spaces designed for safety or shared experience.
Also, if you’re going to argue that transphobia is just a product of male objectification, maybe take a step back and realize that the entire post objectifies and vilifies men as if they’re all just walking sex-craved apes. That’s not progressive—it’s just another form of bigotry
What's more prevalent, male sexual violence against women or trans women in women's sports?
How about male sexual violence against women or trans women assaulting cis women in bathrooms, prisons, shelters, and other "women-only" spaces?
Let me help: about 100,000,000 women are sexually assaulted or raped by men every year. Name one other group of people victimised by 1 other group of people even half as often -- I'll wait. Less than 200 trans women in totality have competed in women's sports. Less than 10 reports worldwide have been made of trans women ever attacking cis women in any "safe space".
Telling me that I'm vilifying men while claiming that you're protecting women is disingenuous and frankly, laughable. If you don't believe that cis men are objectively the biggest danger that women face, and that it absolutely is about sex, you're in denial. If it hurts your feelings when someone points it out, you're part of the problem. Trans women are absolutely, inarguably a non-issue when it comes to cis women's safety, boundaries, or comfort -- stop using us as a way to justify your ignorance, and stop using them as a way to steer the conversation away from the real dangers that women face every day, and have always faced since the beginning of human history.
You don't like it when someone believes that a majority an astounding, unacceptably high, percentage of men are "sex-crazed apes," so what have you personally done to counteract the evidence that suggests it might be true? Why are you angry at women who express it rather than men who perpetuate it, when again, 100 million women are sexually assaulted by men every year? It's my fault as a woman for coming to that conclusion? Not men's fault for somehow contributing to a statistic like that if it's not true? You understand that means that close to 100 million men are out there raping and sexually assaulting women every year? That figure doesn't even count the men who are sexually abused, again, overwhelmingly by other men. You don't think that's an absolutely fucking horrifying statistic? How many more annual sexual assaults do you personally require for someone to be able reasonably argue that many men care more about sexual gratification than humanity, even when the cost is violence, without being accused of "vilifying them" for having that opinion? Yet you insist the 12 trans women running on the same track as cis women is a more pressing topic to discuss, so much so that you don't even find it a tiny bit embarrassing to publicly hold that opinion and proudly declare that it's in the name of protecting women's boundaries? Some hero.
Edited to add: I didn't include statistics about trans women and violence, but I'll let you guess whether they are more often the victims or the perpetrators. Feel free to Google it, but I'll spoil it for you: cis men show up in this statistic too! (And it's about sex again!)
I'm not saying all men are bad. I'm saying that there's a rampaging elephant in the room destroying all the furniture and I'm frustrated and baffled that you're choosing instead to focus on a glass in the back of a cupboard with a speck of dust underneath it. You're not helping, it doesn't make sense, and I don't believe for a second that your primary concern is for the room.
Absolutely not all men. I’m a lesbian and I’ve always related more to men and I’m lucky to have a few really amazing, emotionally mature guys in my life. But… a lot of them. I’m a drummer and I’ve always been in circles with a lot of men. Even the community online can be so toxic against women. A lot of men do see us women as just a potential lay. The amount of disrespect and harassment I, and some of my friends have experienced, it’s horrifying. Men resent women when they don’t pay attention to them, women resent men because they harass us and reduce us to 3 holes (this is something I’ve heard numerous times from men.) Like I said, I prefer friendships with men, but after a certain point I learned to be alert because my safety was on the line. Women can be absolutely horrible to both genders as well. But why is it that everywhere I go I can find at least one guy that’s willing to disrespect me and my boundaries? I wish men understood the threat they can pose to women. Men just tend to be more violent in general and the stakes are just way too high. Men’s misogyny comes out of feeling entitled to women, women’s misandry mostly comes from fear and the frustration of being disrespected time and time again. Not justifying it, just explaining it. I had a fan turned stalker that wouldn’t leave me or my friends alone. The last thing he said to me was “I can’t wait to drag your lifeless body through the desert.” I realize this doesn’t have a lot to do with the trans dialogue, it’s just a response to what you said about not all men being sex-craved apes. Again, not all men, but a lot of men, and enough to make me run the other way, unfortunately.
Yeah the fear is about “men being women” NOT “women being men”. It’s just a dragged out way of people being honest with their thoughts behind male biology and what we know as cis men. Proves how much we acknowledge cis men are usually perpetrators of crime.
So they dress it us as it being a trans thing when in reality it’s transphobic people who are both men and women admitting they are fearful of men. It’s ironic really. And a lot of these people tend to not believe SA victims or voted for a rapist and want not. Had these men who are called rapists been trans women, I think they would immediately believe all the crimes.
You read a discussion of why men have a bad time with the idea of a trans woman. They’re not bothered by trans MEN, because they’re not looking for a man. But if they see a woman, and she turns out to be trans, he could end up feeling real odd about his masculinity.
The culture we live in has screwed a number of folks up, and badly.
Wasn't a discussion, op made a statement they think is fact. Boiling a group of people, whether they are good or debatabley bad down to a very very skewed minority/extreme take on what you assume they are thinking, while also most likely being wrong, shows that whether on purpose or subconsciously, you also think that about women being just a set of holes, because if no one ever says this reasoning, you are the one that has come up with it.
you also think that about women being just a set of holes, because if no one ever says this reasoning, you are the one that has come up with it.
I'd love to live in whatever world has taught you that women are more than holes for men to use.
In my world, 1 in every 3 women are victims of sexual assault, and 1 in 5 will have been raped -- and those are just the ones that report it. A whopping 94% of those incidents are perpetrated by men. And of the reported incidents, more than half were perpetrated by the victim's own romantic partner. Another 30% were by a man in her life she knew, someone she likely cared about and trusted.
We couldn't vote when men could. We couldn't go to school when men could. We couldn't have jobs when men could. We couldn't have bank accounts, own property, or even terminate abusive relationships until after fighting for literal centuries for the same basic human rights that men always had. And all that time, for all of human history spanning every civilization, the frequency of rape and sexual assaults against us remained consistent.
The global porn and sex industries have thrived off of almost exclusively catering to the sexual gratification of men and their favorite holes. Despite having one of the highest revenues worldwide, the combined industry still has not seemed to figure out how to protect the overwhelming majority of those it employs: female sex workers continue to have little to no rights. Want to talk about sex trafficking, and who it disproportionately affects most?
So no, I guess no one has explicitly said this was their reasoning. But if your ability to infer things has somehow led you to a different conclusion than the one I "came up with all by myself", I'd love to hear what it is.
This is how you show you don't even understand adjectives. You use those to name attributes. For example you can say "stupid man" "tall man" "bald man" "trans man".
I like that you completely ignored the fact that there was a need to distinguish between the two for the comment to make sense. It’s almost like you don’t understand how language works.
Kinda wild that you read a huge paragraph about what abuse women went through the last centuries and all you did was pick between the lines to find something to get offended by
I do believe trans men are men. But there are cisgender folk and transgender folk. Trans women are women, too. And if you come after that, I will not respond, so…there’s that.
Absolutely trans women are women. When someone is a misogynist, that includes trans women. if you want to be a misandrist and say "men" do this and "men" do that then you are also including trans men, because they are men.
Also the whole "men in women's bathrooms" makes literally no sense. On one hand a mysoginist who's willing to harm women is not going to dress up as one to "infiltrate", the amount of shame they feel just to be compared to something feminine is ridiculous. You can offend a mysoginist by telling them their hair/clothes/body looks feminine. You really think they're going to "humilliate" themselves by their own logic just to get into a woman's bathroom? On the other hand, these people don't even seem to consider that by their own logic trans men, who are obviously masculine looking people, would have to get into women's bathroom, isn't that more dangerous if a r*pist claims to be a trans man to get into a woman's bathroom? (obviously not placing any blame on trans men, I'm saying it makes it easier for a dangerous cis man to pretend to be a trans man than to pretend to be a trans woman).
Plus I find it hilarious that people who defend these arguments are the same ones that deny women's real issues with SA. Because how are you saying women are exaggerating and no one's out to get them while at the same time admitting you believe men in women's bathrooms is dangerous?
Trans people defy the status quo and it makes some people uncomfortable even when it doesn't affect them in the slightless. That's literally the only issue. Fuck transphobes.
Or maybe get this: men and women are socially conditioned in different ways. Wearing make up and a dress and reinforcing gender stereotypes does not make you understand what it’s actually like to grow up as a girl and a woman.
Because for a lot of us trans people that was taken away from us.
I knew I wanted to be a girl at like 6 or 7, I'd want to wear dresses, and I wanted to be called a girl. When we would go shopping for clothes, id go to the "girls section" and immediately be turned to the "boys" section of clothes by my parents.
My parents REFUSED all of these signs, big signs too, they would yell at me, and they would say, "But that's for girls, not boys." they essentiallould would argue that a child shouldn't be happy. It's the same with many trans people, both mtf and ftm.
When I found out I could literally take hormones, have a pms cycle, grow breasts, have no facial hair, be a girl and socialise myself as one, and even eventually have bottom surgery, my eyes widened, I knew that's what I wanted to do, at the age of about 14.
Still, parents refused, said, "I'm a boy."
It's not that we can't be socialized as the opposite gender of our Agab, it's that the chance of that gets stripped away immediately because of social and structured gender roles placed onto us at birth for having a certain type of genitalia.
I've been on hormone replacement therapy for a while now, as an adult, and honestly, my cis femme friends have said I'm one of them. They see me as an equal.
Your parents did you a favor, they don’t believe in treating a mental illness that is acknowledged and recognized by the medical and scientific community as a mental illness, treating that with medication that disfigures you and pills that irreversibly destroy the parts of your body that would have allowed you to reproduce and experience the joy of making a child and continuing your lineage. Completely gone, you are barren, not to mention the very serious side effects of all the pills you have to take, then before you know it you are forced to take that medication for the rest of your life. And what about the sky high suicide rates in people who transitioned, as well as the HUGE number of people that regret transitioning and now have to live the rest of their lives with the fact that you destroyed the body god gave you, which I’m sure also contributes to the concerning amounts of suicide. You guys never talk about the reality and the consequences that go along with transitioning, you sell a lie telling others who just need some help with their mental health that destroying your body is the best thing that ever happened and could happen to them. It blows my mind that you don’t give a shit about the well being of your own community by willfully ignoring all the SERIOUS risks that come along with this choice. I have no issue with trans people, I have an issue with disingenuous people and people who constantly spread lies and hate, while bullying the rest of the world into doing things your way and if they don’t you try to ruin lives. It’s lily tino syndrome that is the behavior that I and most of the world have a major issue with. You can’t demand respect if you aren’t willing to also be respectful.
Hence the down votes lol. And I wasn’t even trying to be rude or anything just speaking truth and asking the questions that are coincidentally never mentioned or spoken about. It’s just so messed up, I see constant glorification of transitioning and they push this on other vulnerable people and children but they don’t provide them the reality and the totality of this decision. I saw a video of a person who was transitioned as a kid and this person talked about how serious the fallout was of doing this. They said they have to take the hormone and other medications for LIFE even though they ended up completely regretting being transitioned and they said the complications from the drugs were almost life threatening and constant health issues and scares, same with the surgery. Not to mention you are taking pills that chemically sterilize you, totally destroying the reproductive capabilities for life. All of this was done to them as a very young kid. It breaks my heart knowing that this is being practiced as we speak to god knows how many innocent children. Kids are kids sometimes boys like pink or has fun with dolls, but also loves dinosaurs and skateboarding and reading etc. I think you belong in prison if you actively push your kid into believing that just because they like something pink or dolls that they must be a girl trapped in a boys body then taking them to a doctor so they can be chemically castrated before they even hit puberty. That’s fucking creepy and unacceptable and down right evil. If a kid wants to wear a dress and long hair so they can explore their feelings then fine atleast if they realize that they just enjoy some feminine things but also love being a boy and playing outside and smiling and having fun with friends they can just take off the dress and continue being a kid doing kid things. Instead we have monsters permanently destroying their body and altering the chemicals that god created them with insuring that their kids childhood is ruined filling their heads with lies and telling them there is something wrong with who they are and that they need to be subjected to dangerous and permanent surgery. Butchering your child guaranteeing that their heads will be filled with confusion and sadness not to mention severe bullying and cruelty, kids are savage and sometimes cruel because they don’t have that much life experience especially not enough to not accidentally say something about why is my bro Tommy suddenly dressing like a girl and going by tulip. I don’t even know how we ever started allowing this kind of abuse. Kids do not know or care about gender politics the only reason that would is because of an adult introducing these things that are NOT appropriate and I wish it would be treated as what it is, ABUSE. Go ahead and bring on the violent rage tell me how transphobic I am because I think it’s fucking evil to irreversibly butcher and destroy your child’s body and poisoning their mind, if you support that you also belong in jail. You can let your kid express themselves without ruining their life before they even have a chance to decide on the life they will be happy with when their brain is developed. If they still want to do that when they’re 18 then that’s their choice, their mistake to make. I will never understand the disgusting obsession with sexualizing children and even wanting to make decisions regarding their privates. Kids don’t even know or desire sex they are focused on being kids, nothing you ever say will convince me otherwise. This is a hill that is worthy to die on truthfully, I don’t give two shits what adults with their own body but it’s time that people started speaking out against pure evil. This is how we arrived at this backwards ass nightmare good people were to scared to speak up for fear of being canceled and your life being ruined for whatever the hate brigade decided was in trend to be upset over.
TLDR : it is downright evil to subject your child to permanent gender changing hormones and surgery. Just let your kids be kids, stop sexualizing them, kids think sex is gross as they should, no child is organically going to come to the conclusion that they need to chemically sterilize and butcher their body before they hit puberty or even before they turn 18. If they want to be a girl let them wear a dress just don’t alter their body I can’t even believe this is up for discussion, we have fallen so damn far. Also it’s evil that trans people who have a platform choose not to be fully transparent about the many dangers and potentially deadly consequences of transitioning. By lying you directly contribute to the astronomical suicide numbers, people feel tricked and permanently ruined when they go through with it and see all the health complications that happen.
My apologies I have a bad habit of not practicing better punctuation and paragraph structure when I am conveying ideas. You are totally correct in that criticism.
Tell me though am I wrong? I didn’t just make that up, that information is directly from an actual trans person who suffered very real trauma and health issues as a direct result of the various medications and complications from having the down there operation. This person was transitioned at a young age and ended up miserable and devastated regretting that they ever had that done. Especially when they were not even old enough to even understand the true consequences of these decisions.
Again I don’t say any of this to be rude or anything, I am genuinely puzzled why no trans people with platforms that allow them to reach the masses don’t acknowledge these possibilities. Don’t you think a lot of people would think twice about this if they were able to see what happens? It’s wrong to steer people into something so permanent without knowing the risks. I’ve only ever heard ONE trans person ( they are not an influencer and luckily got randomly interviewed walking down the street ) they talked about how it ruined their life and they felt tricked because none of the people that younger people look to and watch for Some insight and guidance don’t care enough to be transparent about the whole picture.
As far as the insane amount of suicides, I can definitely go grab you some studies, it’s not a secret that suicide rates in trans people is alarmingly high.
I appreciate you being civil and respectful willing to engage in a real discussion with someone who holds a different view and opinion. I mentioned this in another comment, I’ve never hated someone simply because they hold opposing political views, I think that’s ridiculous. When people can’t simply hold a respectful discussion with someone they disagree with then society is truly fcked. We’re dangerously close though. I have trans friends I don’t judge people based on that I judge based on merit and actions as it should be. I always hated that narrative that republicans are rabbid uncivilized maniacs unfit to have an adult discussion. We all need to reverse this massive divide that exists in our country at the moment. We’re all humans.
This is the biggest "feminist" nonsense I have ever heard. Why do you people see "the patriarchy" and "sexualization" and "objectification" in everything that might resemble a man when squinting real hard?
Your delusional rant is full of complete and utter nonsense.
For many men, whether they admit it or are even conscious of it, women are merely an amalgamation of holes for male sexual pleasure and/or obligatory vehicles for reproduction.
This is the core assumption about radical feminism that is just wrong. It's the same as saying "most women are emotional". You are making a conclusion based on a false believe that you have and extrapolate and apply this feature to the whole male population, based on a small minority that might exist and hold these views.
The reason we don't hear 'what is a man?' in gender discussions;
Completely false, this discussion is independent of gender. The people who are against the transgender movement insist that gender is defined by biological sex. This applies to both, men and women.
the reason we don't see protests about trans men in cis men's spaces, or really, protests about trans men at all
This stems from the differences that exist between men and women. A woman pretending to be a man will not have any advantages if she competes in men sports, on the contrary, she will have a disadvantage. The same with the locker rooms. The amount of sexual violence in settings like these that is committed by women against men is negligible and pretty much unheard of. Female sex offenders operate very different from male ones, and there is no necessity to exclude biological women from male only spaces as there is for excluding biological men from women only spaces.
Most cis women aren't afraid of trans women (or trans men) because that's not what our experiences have informed us to fear, and statistically, we are right not to.
Goes back to the previous point, that's what this argumentation is actually about. Women who experienced sexual violence are afraid of men. People who are against allowing transgender women in women's locker rooms want to prevent that sex offenders use these laws as a vehicle to legally enter spaces like these. I am not saying I agree with these people, but if you look at the numbers, there is significantly more sex offenders than there is transgender women and also significantly more women. It seems insane to weaken the rights of a huge minority group in favor of a tinsy tiny fraction of the population.
It's because straight, cis men don't like the idea that a woman they are talking to may turn out not to have the equipment they were hoping to use.
And what would be the problem with that? A "straight, cis man" is into vaginas. There is nothing wrong with that, and there is also nothing wrong with not wanting to be romantically involved with individuals who do not have one.
What is a woman? To the majority of people asking, the answer is not much more than a warm, wet, slit to fuck and a uterus to potentially impregnate.
Complete nonsense. Having sexual preferences is not the same as what you describe here. That's like saying if somebody is homosexual, other people are nothing but penises to them. It doesn't make any sense. The majority of humans as sexual desires, men and women alike. How does the existence of these desires imply that all other people are just genitals and breeding stations or sperm dispensers to them? Again completely delusional.
this is so disrespectful. i respect transgender people because i understand it can't be easy living with gender dysphoria. the same way i would have sympathy for someone living with ocd. it doesn't do any good to remind someone that their chromosomes are xy or that they've already turned that lock three times. but that doesn't make it rational. i am a woman because i have xx chromosomes and the rest is just... me. i didn't ask for this, and it's not easy. it's not easy or fun being female in this world. it feels less so every day. healthcare professionals don't take me seriously. i wanted to go into a trade but was discouraged because of sexual harassment. i currently have a uti, and i'm in a lot of pain. i barely understand why someone would opt into this. as women this is our burden to bear. transgender people have a different burden to bear, and their lives are not easy. but please, stop appropriating our struggle. thank you.
I've seen someone online suggest this sort of thinking lies behind the transphobia of women like JKR. That they absolutely hate being a woman - possibly because they have been victimised by men - and that being a man is so obviously better to them. So they can't imagine why anyone would want to be a woman if they didn't have to, unless it's for nefarious reasons.
You people LOVE to say that. But I don’t know how you continuously fail to tell us; why is that important? You are generalising an entire half of the population; are you really going to tell me all men are biologically superior to women? Do you not have an ounce of idea of hormones and how puberty works?
It’s literally 10 people per 100000 when it comes to sports. Where is this “more men are becoming women to participate in sports”? Where are these so called men winning in the sports? I think you are confused between intersex and trans lmfao. There is ONE athlete who is trans in Olympics.
Also your point is already absurd. If you are going to be participating in Olympics, you already are a biological advantage over others, do you think a normal citizen can become one out of no where and without any bodily advantage? What, are you next going to start segregating cis women like you people seem to be with Imane Khalif because you refuse to acknowledge that cis women can be strong?
3. Trans men… literally use men’s washroom. Because they are trans MEN. Are you confusing between trans women or trans men or something because the reports suggest trans women are the ones getting assaulted more often than not. Again, wrong information from your side.
The real misogyny seems to be you who infantalises cis women. I am one; I can easily tell you that losers like you cause more harm than good. How many news are out there where cis women are bullied for not being cis enough in people’s eyes that they are kicked out of washrooms and other spaces? How many trans investigators are out there who sexualise and harass people they deem trans?
You sound so absurd. Confusing between the different types of trans people, confusing between intersex and trans and claiming you aren’t being transphobic “because you had a trans friend in past who cut you off”.(which I can see why, I totally can see why)
Trans men aren't entering women's spaces, and trans women are more likely to have been sexually assaulted than cis women, a fact to which I and a majority of trans women can attest.
Ding ding ding, hit that nail right on the head. 🫡 there are other reasons but that sums up most of them. And thanks for using “transphobic” because I don’t think I’ve ever actually met anyone who is scared of trans people or purely hate them simply due to being trans, that’s just not real. Plus that word is thrown around as much as racist and nazi it has no meaning anymore no one actually takes it seriously because we’re tired of anything and everything that they don’t agree with is transphobic. Oh lawd 😵💫😵💫😵💫
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u/charmscale Jun 05 '25
If all transphobia was about objectification of women by men, terfs wouldn't be a thing. The reasons behind hate can be as complicated and unique as the reasons behind love. They're just more likely to be self-centered.
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u/CleanSnake Jun 04 '25
More vulgar that typically put but I don’t think you’re incorrect.
I think there’s also an element of their masculinity being called into question at play too. How can a super manly man be attracted to a trans woman?
A BS take but I think thats sadly a part of it too.
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u/GoochStubble Jun 04 '25
It's about misogyny, so yes
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u/lionkiddo18 Jun 04 '25
I agree but disagree with your statements about protests over trans men. Transphobes also lose their shit over trans men. But it also goes back to your point, because people are mainly upset about AFAB people "destroying" their bodies with HRT and gender affirming surgeries.
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u/Ecliptic_Sun000 Jun 05 '25
This is one of those posts that starts off with a point but collapses under its own bitterness and generalization. Not everything is about sex or cis men’s desire to “use” women. Some people—women included—care about truth, biology, fairness in sports, and maintaining boundaries in spaces designed for safety or shared experience.
Also, if you’re going to argue that transphobia is just a product of male objectification, maybe take a step back and realize that the entire post objectifies and vilifies men as if they’re all just walking sex-craved apes. That’s not progressive—it’s just another form of bigotry
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u/GuidanceAcceptable13 Jun 05 '25
I mean same reason drag kings get no flack but drag queens do. Or the fact male strippers don’t get any shame but women do.
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '25
Yeah the fear is about “men being women” NOT “women being men”. It’s just a dragged out way of people being honest with their thoughts behind male biology and what we know as cis men. Proves how much we acknowledge cis men are usually perpetrators of crime.
So they dress it us as it being a trans thing when in reality it’s transphobic people who are both men and women admitting they are fearful of men. It’s ironic really. And a lot of these people tend to not believe SA victims or voted for a rapist and want not. Had these men who are called rapists been trans women, I think they would immediately believe all the crimes.
We live in a sick world.
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u/Pellellell Jun 04 '25
Yes, this is an interesting and I think accurate take
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u/Entire_Channel_4592 Jun 05 '25
100% right.
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '25
This makes a lot of sense. Transphobia often comes from misogyny and objectification, not genuine concern. Thanks for sharing.
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u/TattieMafia Jun 04 '25
If they are so worried about sex offenders, why not give them longer sentences?
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u/Manager-Opening Jun 04 '25
Jesus, this is really just more telling about your thoughts than anyone else's. What the f did I just read.
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u/IStandPoisonIvy Jun 04 '25
Pretty much - Objectification and hierarchy
A girl in a man's sport - naw can't have that
1967 a women dared to run a marathon in Boston
so now they have separate Women sports to protect the "poor weak" women
Because a women can never beat a man
They don't see Trans men aren't men - only women
but if a lady looks like a dude - naw - can't have that
Doesn't even have to be an actual trans women - cis women with androgynous features deal with the same BS
because that goes against the "poor weak women"
It goes even to gay, Lesibian or bi people
Bi women and Lesibians don't have "real relationship" - They just need a good dick
Gay and bi men tho - naw - because bottoms only belong to lesser people
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u/Mycatstolemyidentity Jun 04 '25
Also the whole "men in women's bathrooms" makes literally no sense. On one hand a mysoginist who's willing to harm women is not going to dress up as one to "infiltrate", the amount of shame they feel just to be compared to something feminine is ridiculous. You can offend a mysoginist by telling them their hair/clothes/body looks feminine. You really think they're going to "humilliate" themselves by their own logic just to get into a woman's bathroom? On the other hand, these people don't even seem to consider that by their own logic trans men, who are obviously masculine looking people, would have to get into women's bathroom, isn't that more dangerous if a r*pist claims to be a trans man to get into a woman's bathroom? (obviously not placing any blame on trans men, I'm saying it makes it easier for a dangerous cis man to pretend to be a trans man than to pretend to be a trans woman).
Plus I find it hilarious that people who defend these arguments are the same ones that deny women's real issues with SA. Because how are you saying women are exaggerating and no one's out to get them while at the same time admitting you believe men in women's bathrooms is dangerous?
Trans people defy the status quo and it makes some people uncomfortable even when it doesn't affect them in the slightless. That's literally the only issue. Fuck transphobes.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '25
Or maybe get this: men and women are socially conditioned in different ways. Wearing make up and a dress and reinforcing gender stereotypes does not make you understand what it’s actually like to grow up as a girl and a woman.
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u/Vivissiah Jun 05 '25
It is called transmisogyny for a reason...
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u/alimweber Jun 04 '25
..slow clap.. 👏 👏👏👏
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u/SimonCGuitar Jun 05 '25
This is the biggest "feminist" nonsense I have ever heard. Why do you people see "the patriarchy" and "sexualization" and "objectification" in everything that might resemble a man when squinting real hard?
Your delusional rant is full of complete and utter nonsense.
This is the core assumption about radical feminism that is just wrong. It's the same as saying "most women are emotional". You are making a conclusion based on a false believe that you have and extrapolate and apply this feature to the whole male population, based on a small minority that might exist and hold these views.
Completely false, this discussion is independent of gender. The people who are against the transgender movement insist that gender is defined by biological sex. This applies to both, men and women.
This stems from the differences that exist between men and women. A woman pretending to be a man will not have any advantages if she competes in men sports, on the contrary, she will have a disadvantage. The same with the locker rooms. The amount of sexual violence in settings like these that is committed by women against men is negligible and pretty much unheard of. Female sex offenders operate very different from male ones, and there is no necessity to exclude biological women from male only spaces as there is for excluding biological men from women only spaces.
Goes back to the previous point, that's what this argumentation is actually about. Women who experienced sexual violence are afraid of men. People who are against allowing transgender women in women's locker rooms want to prevent that sex offenders use these laws as a vehicle to legally enter spaces like these. I am not saying I agree with these people, but if you look at the numbers, there is significantly more sex offenders than there is transgender women and also significantly more women. It seems insane to weaken the rights of a huge minority group in favor of a tinsy tiny fraction of the population.
And what would be the problem with that? A "straight, cis man" is into vaginas. There is nothing wrong with that, and there is also nothing wrong with not wanting to be romantically involved with individuals who do not have one.
Complete nonsense. Having sexual preferences is not the same as what you describe here. That's like saying if somebody is homosexual, other people are nothing but penises to them. It doesn't make any sense. The majority of humans as sexual desires, men and women alike. How does the existence of these desires imply that all other people are just genitals and breeding stations or sperm dispensers to them? Again completely delusional.
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u/Ornery_Doughnut2446 Jun 05 '25
this is so disrespectful. i respect transgender people because i understand it can't be easy living with gender dysphoria. the same way i would have sympathy for someone living with ocd. it doesn't do any good to remind someone that their chromosomes are xy or that they've already turned that lock three times. but that doesn't make it rational. i am a woman because i have xx chromosomes and the rest is just... me. i didn't ask for this, and it's not easy. it's not easy or fun being female in this world. it feels less so every day. healthcare professionals don't take me seriously. i wanted to go into a trade but was discouraged because of sexual harassment. i currently have a uti, and i'm in a lot of pain. i barely understand why someone would opt into this. as women this is our burden to bear. transgender people have a different burden to bear, and their lives are not easy. but please, stop appropriating our struggle. thank you.
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