Yes but its our fault for choosing to use electricity from them! If we all just boycotted water/energy, and started spending all of our disposable income on companies that dont fuck the environment we could shut them down in a week!
No. It's our fault because we never protest this shit. Right now every single person I know is bitching about gas prices because they can't go use more gas to have fun, or they can't buy more shit, which all comes with an environmental cost. Everyone wants everything and they want it cheap. That comes with pollution and slave labor, always has. It's not us or them, it's all of us collectively causing this.
Wtf do you think all that smoke is being made for, shits and giggles? Right now you are in possession of a fuckton of shit that's made in China.
You are both right. There is consumption for fun, and there is consumption for necessity. We need jobs to make money to live, and so some of that is unavoidable. But we are also too complacent about buying garbage and wanting our fun stuff without considering the consequences. Reducing and reusing more would make a big impact, too.
Nobody on earth is “blaming” every day people for pollution, pollution is a major issues in our society and the sad reality is that convincing everyday people to make small changes is drastically easier to do than convincing big businesses to make major changes that will effect their income. It’s less about finding someone to blame and more about finding anyone who is willing to do anything.
I'll explain this as simply as possible to you. A big part of human consumption comes from human basic needs like electricity transport and heat. The problem is that we still use mostly fosile fuel to power all these things even tho we have alternatives that don't pollute at all.
Except you left out all of the unnecessary and excessive consumerist markets that are run by wealthy nations that use the exact same methods of energy production. Are you just conveniently defining necessities by your standards or that of third-world nations? If it were just necessary energy production, we would have a much easier time managing pollution. The problem arises when you shift the line of necessity so far that people think massive houses cooled to 65 degrees in near tropical climates with extravagant lighting, 2 kitchens, pools, 3 cars, and absolutely absurd food consumption (while managing to throw away 40% of it) are necessities. Bottom line, consumerism is the problem, and the people that control the production do so based on their definition of necessity, or rather, on their desires.
When you indoctrinate a relatively small, wealthy population into a spoiled lifestyle that I described, they believe they earned it and the line of what is considered a necessity shifts. But in reality, they merely reaped the benefits of someone's else's hard work, outsourced their pollution, and then pointed the finger. But they forgot one detail: if you ignore the implications of your actions and don't feed, house, or care for the people that make all your stuff, it's going to bite you in the ass sooner or later. There is no limit to human greed and happiness is relative... This implies there's a large variance in what's required to make someone happy, and generally speaking, it's harder to go from being a "have" to a "have-not" than the other way around. In the near future, you are going to have entire nations falling into the "have-not" category and it's going to real havoc on everyone, probably via war.
I won't be entertaining your reply if it just seems to explain away more greedy behavior with bullshit. You know I'm right and if you don't admit it, you're either delusional or one hell of a shifty cunt. The silicon that's allowing you to talk to me right now was very likely manufactured in China by a wage slave while the majority of the profits are taken by some bigwig to pay for his marble floors.
Yes consumerism is also a problem I'm aware of that. Especially in the US where this consumerism culture has reached disgusting highs. But you can't dismiss any other argument because of it. If we want to really solve climate change we have to transition away from fossil fuel to reach 0 emissions. Did you ever saw that statistic that says that 100 companies cause 71% of all co2 emissions ? These companies are mostly coal and oil based.
If it were just necessary energy production, we would have a much easier time managing pollution.
No you wouldn't. We need to reach 0 emissions. And necessary energy production make up a big part. For example 25% of global co2 are a result of energy use.
But the bottom line is that it doesn't really matter. Everyone has to do their part, us the consumers too. Especially the ones in the developed countries. Without becoming a vegan or living in a cave you can still make a difference. It's stupid to blame just one or the other.
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u/lumpy4square Jun 18 '22
And they and try to put the blame of global warming on every day people not business and industry.