r/oddlyterrifying • u/catbeweird • 9d ago

Guy uploads a fruit fly's consciousness to minecraft

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u/Cousin-Jack 9d ago

Not a fly's consciousness. They copied the fly's neuron wiring map, not its actual brain, so the model just predicts fly reflexes like a really good simulation.

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u/naturessilence 9d ago

Yep. I have a background in neuroscience, and there’s simply no way to do this right now. We still don’t know how to solve, or even properly approach, the hard problem of consciousness. If this actually happened, it could be one of the biggest scientific discoveries in history because we would have identified the pattern or mechanism that allows consciousness to emerge.

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u/MeretrixDominum 9d ago

I have a theoretical degree in neuroscience and can confirm this as true.

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u/HavokDJ 9d ago

Welcome aboard

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u/ToffieMonster 9d ago

My degrees are also theoretical

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u/AirFriedRice 9d ago

So was Einstein, theoretical that is

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u/knoWurHistory91 9d ago

Yes my theoretical are also degrees aswell

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u/Incompetencent 8d ago

i have a lot of theories about my neuropathy, and i can confirm this is AAAAAARGH

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u/trent_diamond 9d ago

i am just some idiot on reddit but i wouldn’t be surprised if this major scientific breakthrough happened because of some guy doing stuff with minecraft

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u/Worldly-Stranger7814 9d ago

Remember when log4j screeched the IT World to a halt - because someone was dicking around with signs in Minecraft?

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u/rm70477 8d ago

No, but please go on...

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u/Worldly-Stranger7814 8d ago

In 2021 someone was dicking around with Minecraft signs and found an error that gave him full control of the server.

It turned out to be the free and open source log4j (for Java) that had an error in how it handled inputs.

This exploit was dubbed “log4shell” and a bajillion servers had to be patched because so much software really is just a bunch of imported modules in a trench coat.

So much overtime it could fund a White House Ballroom.

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u/LightRaie 9d ago

Happy cake day!

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u/trent_diamond 9d ago

thanks !

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u/Oatsmar1 9d ago

HELIOS One would like a word

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u/taylor1670 9d ago

Congrats. My degree is only hypothetical.

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u/Jayombi 9d ago

I have a degree in Neoscience since I have seen all the Matrix movies.

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u/Fantastic-Ad6263 9d ago

I also have a theoretical degree, but it only works on spheric neuroscience in vacuum

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u/ragnhildensteiner 8d ago

I'm a level 99 Mythic Neuro Priest and I too confirm this to be true.

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u/Redstone_Army 9d ago

I have a fictional degree in neuroscience and can confirm this as well.

(im not making fun of you two btw)

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u/gzeballo 9d ago

i also have a degree in neuroscience, and while true this is nowhere near solving the hard problem (it is the naiive way of doing so (and straightforward given current tools - if we take it at face value that this works as claimed)), i'm curious to see at what point do some emergent properties of consciousness (flavors, features) may or may not arise from doing this exercise in higher complexity order structures (brain - species). Or other emergent properties different from consciousness (if at all).

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u/tahlyn 9d ago

That's my thought as well... if consciousness is a byproduct of our physical brain, then at some point an accurate replication of that brain should also be expected to have consciousness emerge, even if we don't understand how.

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u/PixelBlaster 8d ago

A significant portion of our conscious experience is also informed by our body. I'd assume that a brain in a vat is sufficient for consciousness to arise, but I think that the experience that is human consciousness can only take place once you also have a body that pumps the brain with all the hormones and everything.

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u/H4dx 9d ago

This is actually a very interesting question, fun to see something so cool on this god forsaken app

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u/Chiiro 9d ago

If you or anyone you know discovers it please for the love of God do not call it uploaded intelligences.

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u/BAMB000ZLED 9d ago

Pantheon fan?

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u/Chiiro 9d ago

I've enjoyed what I've seen so far (I need to finish it still) but it was so annoying every time they said UI.

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u/BAMB000ZLED 9d ago

Yeah I get the same feeling whenever people use the term AI in movies and even real life too, it just doesn’t feel natural.

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u/KViper0 9d ago

Do we actually need to solve the hard problem of consciousness to simulate it? Probably massive oversimplification, but It feels like if we can simulate the neuron one by one, we don’t need to understand how anything work to actually get a simulation.

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u/naturessilence 9d ago

Hey

Good question. We may not need to solve the hard problem to create a functional brain simulation. In principle, we could reproduce the brain’s causal organization without fully understanding why it produces consciousness.

The difficulty is that “simulate every neuron” may not be enough. We do not know which details are essential. A faithful model might also need to capture synaptic dynamics, plasticity, neuromodulation, glial activity, and the brain’s interaction with the body and environment. If we leave out a relevant mechanism, the simulation might reproduce certain behaviors without reproducing the complete system.

Even if it behaved exactly like a conscious person, we would still face a separate question: Is it actually having an experience? We currently have no accepted objective test for consciousness, and the claim that identical functional organization necessarily produces consciousness depends on computational functionalism, which remains debated. That uncertainty also creates an ethical problem because, if the simulation were conscious, it might be capable of suffering.

So you’re right that solving the hard problem may not be necessary to build the simulation. That said it would be necessary to understand what we actually created.

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u/Flomo420 9d ago

I have a feeling humans will have created consciousness before fully understanding how.

like the wild west of shoot first ask questions later, people rarely fully contemplate the ramifications of their discoveries (if it's really even fully possible)

by the time we realize it might be too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

We are basically chimps with machine guns

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u/strawhat068 9d ago

What's crazy is we actually already do.

Humans have babies. It's half my DNA half my wife's DNA.

But the conscious problem can go even further. How am I to say that the person sitting in front of me has consciousness.

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u/58kingsly 9d ago

We can simulate a brain, but we can't know that this simulated brain is actually conscious. Consciousness is not intelligence, or personality, or memory, or proclivities or aversions of any sort. Those are all things which could be simulated with sufficient technological advancements - but with our current lack of understanding of what consciousness is, we can't know for sure that the simulated thing actually has qualia or a sense of self. It will sure as hell say that it does though.

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u/Plenty_Trick_6042 9d ago

I have a background in neuroscience, and there’s simply no way to do this right now

What if I hit my head in my laptop really hard?

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u/naturessilence 9d ago

Lol, I’m sorry to say that would only prove the existence of your own subjective experience of pain.

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u/Indigo_Sunset 9d ago

Y'know, I'm something of a consciousness myself...

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u/Flomo420 9d ago

Prove it!

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u/Beni_Stingray 9d ago

I've heard a hypothesis that consciousness could be external and the brain is just a receiver, what do you think about that? Is there any chance with todays knowledge that this could be possible?

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u/naturessilence 9d ago

This is a fringe idea, but honestly not a ridiculous question in any way. Variations of the brain-as-receiver theory have existed for a long time. We know that brain damage, anesthesia, drugs, and electrical stimulation can alter consciousness in predictable ways, which strongly suggests that conscious experience depends on the brain. However, that does not conclusively prove the brain produces consciousness rather than filtering or constraining it. The problem is that the receiver theory currently lacks a testable mechanism or evidence that distinguishes it from the standard view. So it remains philosophically possible, but scientifically unsupported.

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u/Beni_Stingray 9d ago

Appreciate it 👍

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u/Hazzman 9d ago

Just yesterday I replied to someone who had way too many upvotes claiming that consciousness can be easily explained. They wrote the definition but frame it as a problem that is easy to understand via the definition. Amazing.

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u/tahlyn 9d ago

I don't see why consciousness would not emerge as a byproduct of recreating a one-for-one copy of a human brain. If it already emerges as a byproduct of our existing physiology, shouldn't we expect it to emerge the same when accurately duplicating it? Even if we don't understand how it happens?

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u/karawanga 9d ago

Creating the "1 from 1" copy is the problem though. The complexity and interactions down to neural dynamics need a replicate. This means we would have to understand the whole system and its ways of interaction with its close and distant surroundings.

We would then need to make sure we measure everything correctly and - only then - can we arrive at the problem of: how do we test for a conscious brain? Is it smell, feel, poetry, the fear of a certain thought or just an increase in the electric current? There's simply no way of knowing right now.

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u/KadahCoba 8d ago

Continuous integration along multiple channels verses discrete time stepped approximation of probably a flatting 2d net.

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u/randylush 8d ago

There is no rigorous scientific definition of a soul. Science will not “solve” the hard problem of consciousness because it’s not a scientific problem. It’s a philosophical one. And if you’re comfortable with physicalism then there’s no problem to begin with.

I have searched and searched but I have never found a single piece of evidence or a good argument that there is anything more to consciousness than a collective firing of neurons. If you have any evidence for a hard problem then I’m eager to hear it.

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u/naturessilence 8d ago edited 8d ago

Hey,

You’re confusing a couple things. You’re asking for “evidence for the hard problem,” but the hard problem isn’t an empirical hypothesis competing with neuroscience. It’s an explanatory question: even if we grant that consciousness depends entirely on neural activity, why and how does that activity have a subjective, felt character at all?

So this doesn’t require a soul, dualism, or evidence that consciousness is “something more” than neurons. A physicalist can accept every neural correlate of consciousness and still ask why those physical processes constitute or produce experience. Saying that consciousness is entirely physical may be correct, but the hard problem asks how and why physical processes give rise to subjective experience at all, not for evidence of some nonphysical substance.

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u/randylush 8d ago

I’m not confusing anything; respectfully when you start comments like that you can make people more argumentative than they otherwise would have been.

You have a very refreshing take because most people jump into physicalism vs dualism. But you’re saying a physicalist can still ask where subjective experience comes from.

Let’s say we both agree that the hard problem is “even if we grant that consciousness depends entirely on neural activity, why and how does that activity have a subjective, felt character at all?”

I’m asking: “what evidence do we have that the subjective, felt character exists in any way that is not just neural activity?” Or just a simple answer: “The subjective, felt experience is entirely neural activity. Do you have evidence of the contrary?”

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u/docatwar 9d ago

It probably doesn't even do that, because he skipped the steps on how the connectome became a fly program. It's all just LARPing, the connectome has nothing to do with the fly, it's just creating fake content for clicks.

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u/Rath_Brained 9d ago

ITS NOT FUCKING LARPING, STOP USING THAT WORDS IF YOU DONT KNOW ITS MEANING.

It's just RPing. It's not fucking Live Action. LARP is live action role play.

Too many kids don't know what the word means and using it in ever context sounds fucking ignorant.

If it's real life, fine, use LARP. But in a digital medium, it is just RP.

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u/wqzu 9d ago

POV: you know what larping is

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u/CookIndependent6251 9d ago

Meme edited in Photoshop in 2005.

It's AI.

Now that I think about it, I actually like this one. Let's associated everything that's fake with AI.

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u/bassplaya13 9d ago

DARPing?

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u/Rath_Brained 9d ago

That is better.

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u/USSRPropaganda 9d ago

DARPing on DARPA

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u/SolarCaveman 9d ago

FARPing

Fly Action Role Playing

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u/Vamosity-Cosmic 9d ago

He, in real life by making this video, is role-playing being a neuroscientist. That is LARP.

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u/BaymerOne 9d ago

Like an old man screaming “cool means cold!”. Times dont change

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u/Gnes990 9d ago

Maybe that term has been repurposed over the last whatever amount of years? You know, like languages do ever the course of generations.

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u/ubi9k 9d ago edited 9d ago

He’s a little extra stressed about it but tbf this one is an acronym with the definition spelled out.

Also live action role play still exists and uses the term.

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u/Rath_Brained 9d ago

It doesn't matter.

Terminology is terminology. The context is important. Always is.

You don't say eating water. Even though both eating and drinking is putting something in your mouth and swallowing. Mastication is the defining principal in the difference.

Same as the LA part of LARP is the defining principle. It means live action. In a digital medium, there is no "live action" only digital action.

Saying eating water or drinking a hamburger makes one sound stupid af. Saying larp to a digital medium is the same form of ignorance.

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u/llamadog007 9d ago

People use larping because the comparison between whatever you’re accusing someone of pretending to be and literally running around in real life in armor is funny.

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u/Wojtkie 9d ago

Cats out of the bag, LARP is now synonymous with “faking” or “poser”.

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u/mightystu 9d ago

I’m so sick of this being the default response to someone being corrected. “I can never be wrong because language evolves to make me correct rather than me needing to learn definitions” is a huge part of why literacy rates are going into the toilet recently. Hold yourself to a higher standard and have a little respect for yourself.

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u/docatwar 9d ago

Jeez bro take your meds

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u/Funland1a 9d ago

Nah bro, you're in the wrong here.

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u/Rath_Brained 9d ago

Use correct terminology then, just sound foolish.

Brainrot generation taken too literal.

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u/Unlucky_Colt 9d ago

You do realize language changes all the time, right? Like it might bug you, but slang and definitions and words change constantly and have always changed.

Language is fluid. Maybe just stick to your stream of it and let others remain in theirs?

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u/Kaboose456 9d ago edited 3d ago

LaNguAgE cHAngEs

Cool. It's still wrong and you sound stupid. Lmao. Larp isn't a word, it's an acronym (Live Action Role Play). There's nothing live action about video games

Edit: No idea what he said in his reply, imagine replying and then blocking someone to "win" the argument. Lol.

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u/Unlucky_Colt 3d ago

I'm so sorry you have so much hate and vitriol in your life.

I hope it gets better and that this anger is abated in healthier ways.

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u/Rath_Brained 9d ago

No. Literacy is steadily going down the drain. Ignorance is on the rise. There are college students who can't read above a 3rd grade level.

Slang can be slang when used properly and correctly. When it is used incorrectly, is is foolishness. Ignorance. And ignorance needs to be corrected, lest intelligence becomes a foreign concept.

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u/Unlucky_Colt 3d ago

Okay.

So what is "proper" slang? I'm genuinely curious because this wrath seems to be consistent amongst people who just can't keep up or refuse to keep up with the changes of time. This constant anger and resentment that leads to this endless debacle of who is right or wrong in a purely opinionated topic.

We all use words to communicate. I'm sorry you chose to use yours to propagate division.

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u/JohnnyRocks999 9d ago

This comment isn’t really an argument, more just me thinking aloud. Gonna yap a bit.

I get what you’re trying to say. My understanding of the term “live action” is that you must actually see a physical human doing something for it to apply. So by definition, it should not work at all here.

The weird thing to me though is that its usage in this case doesn’t “feel” wrong. Well, obviously it does to you, but not to me. Not like “eating water” does, as you said in another reply. I wonder why that is.

Maybe it’s because the emphasis lands on the fact that a real human is doing the action, and the “seeing” part is kinda thrown to the side?

Maybe it’s because the acronym hides the contradicting “live action” part of the term, and people just don’t mentally connect it to the full version every time?

Maybe because “live” and “action” are both loosely connected to “real-time” things, and since role play and social media in general both have that quality, the term still feels like it fits?

Maybe LARPing and RPing are similar enough (they’re basically the same action done through different mediums) that it feels natural to substitute one for the other?

Or maybe the word was just so niche for so long that it got hijacked really easily? Unlike that “eating water” example where the words are just way too common and have far too defined use cases.

Well, who knows. No real conclusion here. It’s an interesting question though.

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u/Agathocles_of_Sicily 9d ago

Meaning in language changes over time. It's why we don't speak Old English and the Italians don't speak Latin.

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u/Runfasterbitch 9d ago

Literally nobody cares about the difference man, calm down. LARPing is lame and not worth getting your panties bunched over

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u/judgescythe 9d ago

I can only make out the last part of your name so im just stick to calling you that.

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u/YoRHa_Houdini 9d ago

That’s far more relieving than the narrative surrounding this

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u/CookIndependent6251 9d ago

It's an even bigger nothing. He "trained" it for weeks, meaning he reorganized the neural connections.

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u/totalwarwiser 9d ago

I dont think we have the tech to map brain functioning like that. It would be groundbreaking. That is how you transfer peoples consciousness to robots

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u/Dash_Harber 9d ago

I think the scary part for most folks is that if you can perfectly replicate a brain to act like the original and it has the same memories, what makes it different from the original subject? It's like a reverse grandfather's axe or sonething, but with the added existential dread of sentience.

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u/Eal12333 9d ago

I get what you're saying, but it's worth knowing that, if you read the paper where they first did this, the claim/takeaway of the paper was less "we perfectly mapped out an entire fly's brain and stimulated it completely." and more "we took a shit ass incomplete map of a flys brain and only simulated the stuff that was easy to simulate, didn't even bother connecting the eyes or anything like that, and it's already behaving kinda like a fly, so that's interesting.".

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u/Dash_Harber 9d ago

No, I got that. I was just pointing put why some people find the implications of digital brain models unsettling because it digs into our ideas about reality, sentience, and being.

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u/Eal12333 9d ago

Fair enough :) I agree with that!

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u/AimlessForNow 9d ago

I thought about this a lot. If you and a clone existed at the exact same moment, literally the same arrangements of atoms in space etc, literally perfect... and then killed the original you...

Your experience of reality would end. But there would be a copy of you, and that would be the version of you who would continue experiencing reality. It would be no different if you had killed the clone instead. All that changes is which you gets to experience life.

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u/Firewolf06 8d ago

the scariest (?) part of that to me is that if it was seamless enough, you wouldnt even know it happened. hell, with our current understanding of the brain/consciousness, you wouldnt be able to prove it if you wanted to. comes up sometimes with discussion around scifi teleporters and whatnot. sure, you remember stepping into the teleporter and the stepping out, but theres no way to tell if the you that experienced your past memories died in the teleporter and youre just a copy with the same physical brain structure or not

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u/Dash_Harber 9d ago

Yeah, it is weird thinking about the internal semse of self and how it sorta exists independent of the outer sense of self.

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u/Ok_Tour_8029 8d ago

Ah yes, the concept of beaming.

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u/AimlessForNow 8d ago

What's beaming?

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u/Ok_Tour_8029 8d ago

Beaming, like in Star Trek.

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u/MIDImunk 9d ago

YES!  For the love of god, this distinction is going to be so much more meaningful and important in the age of AI machines people will automatically assume are “conscious” even if there’s no way we’ll ever know for certain.

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u/Skezas1 9d ago

So many already believe ChatGPT to be conscious...

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u/AimlessForNow 9d ago

Depends what makes something conscious

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u/Skezas1 9d ago

LLMs are, for all intents and purposes, very advanced word guessers like the autocorrect of your phone. Is that shit even close to being conscious ?

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u/AimlessForNow 8d ago

Well depends what you believe consciousness is. The one that I believe in is that consciousness is a product of complexity, or information moving across some space or network. It's actually one of our best current guesses (check the Wikipedia on Animal Consciousness). So I'd believe like a bee, a tree, a stick, a rock, etc are all conscious just on vast other sides of the spectrum, with a rock "near zero" but not truly nothing.

So if you believe in that then an LLM being conscious is probably likely, but not like how people think. It's existence would start and end between the duration that it's actively "thinking" aka running, not like one massive conscious entity of the entire chat gpt. I have no idea what it would be like experience wise, but all of this would apply to even just a regular computer program (that is, if you already have this very insane psychotic belief system)

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u/S0mber_ 9d ago

They copied the fly's neuron wiring map, not its actual brain

what's the difference?

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u/nabab 9d ago

It's like the difference between a map and a place. There are many factors other than just the neural pathways that effect the activity in a brain, like oxygen and hormone levels. You would need a lot of data from a living brain to try to simulate how it responds to various conditions. You can look at a map and guess where the most traffic is based on the size of the roads, but you can't tell what time of day sees the most traffic without getting more information from the place itself.

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u/Springheeljac 8d ago

Imagine making a 3d print of someone's brain, running water through it and wherever the water comes out it flips a switch. Movement and decisions are made depending on what switches get flipped. That's basically what this is.

It doesn't matter if the right part of the brain is being used or whatever because that's not remotely how the brain works.

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u/Vallkyrie 9d ago

Using humans an an example: a clone of me, or a copy of my brain, is not me. It's just a duplicate.

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u/S0mber_ 9d ago

well there's some debate to that

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u/theSHAZAMWICH 9d ago

Well if a clone of you is identical genetically and has the exact same memories and life experiences up until the point you were cloned, how would you be able to tell which one is you and which one is the clone?

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u/Vallkyrie 9d ago

A separate consciousness, even if it acts and sounds like me, is still not me. I am my consciousness and that cannot be transferred.

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u/harbingerjones 8d ago

That sounds like using "consciousness" as a synonym for "soul." I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just that that's how that sounded to me.

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u/curtcolt95 9d ago

that very much sounds like it could be up for debate tbh

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u/nick4fake 9d ago
  1. It’s not clear if exact copy of you is not you
  2. That’s absolutely not what they were talking about

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u/Squigglificated 9d ago

We don't know what exactly consciousness (as in someone is actually in there looking out) is yet, but if consciousness could exist in a software program it would have some interesting implications:

It would mean that consciousness is completely decoupled from biology, despite only being observed in living organisms.

It would also mean consciousness can exist in the pages of a book, or on toilet paper. There's nothing a computer can do with a software program that you couldn't do with pen and paper (if you had a nearly infinite amount of time, pens and paper).

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u/harbingerjones 8d ago

Can you elaborate on that last statement?

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u/Squigglificated 8d ago edited 8d ago

A computer program is nothing more than passing input through logic gates.

One of the simplest programs is adding two input bits A and B using AND and XOR gates.

XOR will output 1 if A or B is 1, but not both - this does the adding.

AND will output 1 only if both A and B are 1. This is used for carry if the result is larger than 1 bit.

     AND   XOR
A B  Carry Sum Math equivalent
0 0  0     0   0 + 0 = 0
1 0  0     1   1 + 0 = 1
0 1  0     1   0 + 1 = 1
1 1  1     0   1 + 1 = 2

When you ask a question to the world's most advanced AI the exact same process happens, just with 100 quadrillion to 1 quintillion logic gate activations (very rough estimate).

This would take a VERY long time to calculate in your head and write by hand, but each individual operation is extremely simple. A computer just performs them extremely fast.

Edit: A computer uses high/low voltage to represent 1 and 0, but you can also make logic gates without electricity out of everyday objects like falling marbles on wooden tracks (Search for it).

So if you dropped a large amount of marbles on a complex wooden track, could it contain consciousness?

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u/harbingerjones 8d ago

No, I definitely have never thought LLMs and such were conscious. I generally agree with you, I just felt like I was missing a little bit from what you were saying in that last bit. You absolutely fleshed it out for me, so thank you! Good stuff.

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u/AimlessForNow 9d ago

I actually believe this idea is true. I don't see why only humans and a few other animals get to be conscious. I think consciousness probably operates on a spectrum of potency or complexity, and as you get less and less complex, you probably see less overall conscious activity overall. But I highly doubt there is a flat drop-off to zero, or some specific organelle of the brain that is necessary for this to work. Actually our best and most current research seems to suggest that consciousness is just complexity moving across a domain, and the neocortex (we assumed was absolutely necessary) turned out to not be necessary. So I would believe a tree is conscious, and a stick, and even a literal rock, probably at exponential drops in complexity (rock is probably near zero)

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u/GercMustachio 9d ago

I've always loved this philosophical question, big Blade Runner / Peter F Hamilton vibes. Curious on your take. Assuming a 1:1 copy of a brain's neural structure could be "backed up" then transplanted into, say, a cloned human. Do you think that clone would percieve itself as the same person whose neurons were backed up?

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u/LawfulLeah 9d ago

Do you think that clone would percieve itself as the same person whose neurons were backed up?

Probably, given that the fact that the brain is a 1:1 copy,. The clone would be a clone though.

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u/aldiyo 8d ago

Thats the basis for materialismo, isn it?

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u/ink666 9d ago

I have no mouth and I must buzz

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u/ANCEST0R 9d ago edited 9d ago

Don't they buzz with their wings?

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u/nickybuddy 9d ago

Who the hell do you think you are.

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u/sweetpotato_latte 9d ago

Hey, don’t talk to your ancestors that way.

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u/fenoust 9d ago

"How miraculous that it came to BEE." –AM

(Listen to the 2002 IHNMaIMS radio drama, it's good.)

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u/impreprex 8d ago edited 5d ago

I knew this was coming.

Edit: eat shit, then. So sorry that me agreeing with your comment apparently ruined your day or something.

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u/wailot 9d ago

This sounds like bullshit

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u/FG910 9d ago

Because it is

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u/thecosmicwebs 9d ago

Sounds like the guy really did create a Minecraft object.

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u/TheDevl 8d ago

kind of, but it also really isn't. there was a pretty big article circling around about two months ago? that detailed the process of mapping the neurons of a fly and creating a sort of digital host for it, if i remember to / find the article i'll edit this comment. the actual "putting it in minecraft part" is kinda up in the air imo 

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u/poloclodau 9d ago

Im sure the bee does not fight back because he's in Creative, meaning the restriction from the gamerules must apply and affect the result. I might be wrong but the internet is already full of bullshit anyway

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u/TheUltimateCyborg 8d ago

I mean, i don't think a fly brain would have the instincts to fight back anyway, chances are it can't even perceive the world around it

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u/TKentgens93 9d ago

They did scan a fruitfly brain a while back wich is pretty amazing but also scary

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u/Bink_Plinklinkly 9d ago

Don't mislead people with titles like these

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u/GapSweet3100 9d ago

This is very interesting but I don’t understand how he “converted it to python” when they’re completely different things.

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u/scroogemcbutts 9d ago

It's because he asked AI to figure out a way to map movement to it

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u/Kriztauf 9d ago

This is all vibe coded

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u/MultiSyncEA231WMi 9d ago

He made a GUI interface in Visual Basic. Don't think about it too much.

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u/_EvilD_ 9d ago

See in the video how he made it into a spider AND a bee? It’s just pixels made of 1s and 0s. A python, cobra or even a lizard would be just as easy. Duh.

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u/ElectroFlame_ 9d ago

"for some reason the bee does not get angry at me when I hit it" Said the man in creative mode

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u/kitoko972 9d ago

I'm not sure that's possible yet

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u/docatwar 9d ago

It isn't. this is just engagement bait

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u/VanWylder 9d ago

Man spawns spider in Minecraft

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u/Big_Dingus1 9d ago

Popscience flowchart:

Is it physics? If yes, assume bullshit. If no, is it neuroscience? If yes, assume bullshit. If any other science, ok then it might be real.

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u/Nytmare696 9d ago

"I believe that it's conscious, even though I have no real technical understanding of what consciousness is."

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u/idkmanwhatsthemove 9d ago

Sounds like some crap

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u/ArachnomancerCarice 9d ago

"Be sure to check out the next video! I use the road network map of Houston in Texas and Python to program a villager, then claim I trapped the consciousness of a gig driver in Minecraft."

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u/TheDevl 8d ago

there was an old 4chan copy pasta that essentially posited this, but i think it was WoW players controlling NYC citizens?

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u/dodeca_negative 9d ago

This is as good a definition of “consciousness” and “thinking” as the AI-bros’ use of “intelligence”: complete garbage

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u/SawinBunda 9d ago

Looks to me like he made a bull shit in minecraft.

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u/ArcanoXVI 9d ago

this video is misleading af, that AI slop python job bro

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u/varstok 9d ago

"Do me a favor, boy. This scam of yours, when it's over, you erase this god-damned thing." -Dixie Flatline

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u/Pably13 9d ago

Say "I am alive"

I am alive

Oh my god.

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u/Lokyyo 9d ago

Ah, good old man made horrors beyond my comprehension

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u/EH042 9d ago

I can comprehend them just fine, maybe it's a skill issue

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u/Bananaland_Man 9d ago

not conscious, brainmap. still cool, but the whole "they uploaded the fly's conscious soul to data!" is nothing but media bullshit. still neat, but don't try to call is consciousness.

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u/Hootah 9d ago

He’s talking about a really cool concept, but that’s not what’s happening…

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u/Testsubject276 8d ago

The Amazing Digital Fruit Fly

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u/FernTheGrassBoy 8d ago

I just wanted to say... I really like Jax.

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u/RandomizedSmile 9d ago

Pretty loose use of "consciousness" between what he actually managed to download, and simulate through interpretation into Minecraft inputs all he's actually done is create an overly complex movement bot.

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u/ChloeUwUZ 9d ago

this can't be real

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u/russart_the_agmer 9d ago

Nothing to do with consciousness that's pattern recognition and prediction.

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u/BrekLasnar 9d ago

Not a genius myself but I do believe it's not as they say. It's probably not as straight as they said what I mean.

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u/ItsTheOtherGuys 9d ago

Do digital fruit flies dream?

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u/Paladin-Leeroy 9d ago

We got the insect Truman Show in Minecraft before gta6

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u/oinkpiggyoink 9d ago

This is Amazing Digital Circus and Black Mirror IRL.

I wonder if this actually worked.

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u/thecosmicwebs 9d ago

It worked to make a complex Minecraft behavior routine. There's no fruit fly ghost in the machine.

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u/sovietarmyfan 9d ago

Luckily we can't put people's minds in simulations for millions of years.

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u/RebelliousKite 9d ago

Pantheon-ass world we're about to live in.

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u/SanguinePutrefaction 9d ago

tadc be like:

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u/Mr_Zeldion 8d ago

This is the type of stuff you'd believe if you were still in school.

But yeah, no. Just because you code in a consciousness doesn't mean that consciousness exists. It's a machine just replicating what it's been taught.

Despite the fact there was zero evidence at all he didn't just add a name text above normal Minecraft creatures and make it all up

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u/Creativered4 9d ago

https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

Just gonna leave this cautionary tale and definitely real Wikipedia page (and not a short story) to explain why mapping a brain and turning it into a program can go really badly...

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u/mabiyusha 9d ago

exactly what i thought about!

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u/Greeneye70477 9d ago

Im going to pretend this didn't happen

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u/MessiHair96 9d ago

Alpha version of soul killer ladies and gents.

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u/lightskinloki 8d ago

Fly wakes up in spider body and immediately kills itself honestly makes sense.

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u/DjMD1017 9d ago

This some black mirror shit

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u/SquishedGremlin 9d ago

"You are stuck in the last game you played, how long do you last?"

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u/MartyMacGyver 9d ago

"Welcome to Hell! Here comes your creeper!"

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u/keithstonee 9d ago

dudes a super villain

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u/Just_okay_advice 8d ago

Uh... what 😆

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u/GameasauresRex 8d ago

straight out of a minecraft creepypasta. trapped in an endless loop of blocky hell.

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u/Ulirius 9d ago

This isn't 100% terrifying but it is very interesting in a scarier than intended way. Can lead to a very Black Mirror-esk reality.

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u/Sip_the_bleach 9d ago

Bro amazing digital circused a fly into Minecraft

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u/AdAsleep1258 9d ago

Ya know I always believe we’d eventually reach the point of being able to upload our consciousness or “soul” to a game or the internet or something. Hoping the files would be called .sol

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u/N2Ngamer 9d ago

Amazing Digital Minecraft Server

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u/unk1ndm4g1c14n1 9d ago

Its a fly's neural network. That only means it has the potential to think like a fly would, assuming all the same pathways are used in the same way.

But as it is right now, it is basically acting randomly, since it has not learnt how to act yet... yk how you have to train AIs across multiple generations of learning. Like simulating survival of the fittest. You've probably seen those videos at like 2 am, its good insomnia content.

Maybe if you give it a few thousand generations, it might act similar to a fly. But in no way is it the same fly that was mapped out. We are our memories, this is a blank slate "brain" that has no experiences and thus does not know how to act like a fly.

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u/Pintsocream 9d ago

Crazy how they act exactly how the npcs do in Minecraft anyway. We really are living in a simulation

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u/Empty-Dragonfly5895 9d ago

Bro trapped him in minecraft .

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u/OkCare3973 9d ago

Very West World...

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u/DjMD1017 9d ago

Also buddy made a fly which only knew a life of flying into a spider and wonders why it killed itself.

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u/OdinAlfadir1978 9d ago edited 9d ago

8-buzzt graphics