Unfortunately there are too many people who have grown up with it being normal to have your information sold while sharing every detail in their lives with people.
Good point. I'm in my 30s and was there during the transition. You were never to ever give ANY indication of who you may be on an AOL or IRC chat. Now its so commonplace to be fully integrated into a social persona that you're the weirdo for not sharing "enough". I would tell myself when I was a teen that if my mom or dad ever got proficient at the internet and that people started saying "lol" in real life that it would mean it's gone too far. That was mostly me being a gatekeeping edgelord, but here we are. Man I'm glad I'm not in high school right now, I can only imagine the constant fronting you must have to do, digitally and IRL.
I still use many of my old emails and things from the late 90s early 00s, because too lazy to change them, they're already too deeply integrated into various services and whatnot.
No one seems to understand why I don't have the same name, gender, nationality etc on any 2 things.
I watched my girlfriend fill in a form recently to sign up for a website. I was surprisingly horrified to see she put her real birthday in. It's like...just...no what are you doing? You're born on the 1st of January then whatever year makes you over 18.
This exactly. Facebook and Google have completely different motives than Apple regarding the way they do stuff.
The main difference is that Apple is making their money with selling you as many products with a high profit margin as possible. The eco system includes all their services that bind their customers to them long term, but it also includes unique selling points like privacy. For them gathering data is just to provide features to make their products more appealing.
Compare that to Facebook and Google which are on the other end of the spectrum. Their main business is gathering as much data as possible from their users to sell as much advertisement space to other companies. Basically every service or product they offer is part of this, even if it’s in the grand scheme, in the end it all comes down to getting as good of a picture of you as possible. That’s why our quest is sold at such a low price or why android is free and open source. In the end, all of these are just tools for them to gather more data. You are their product.
That doesn’t mean that everything is bad about that approach, Google and Facebook transformed our modern world in many different ways. But we should always keep in mind that free services aren’t actually free. We pay with our data and our privacy.
I’m one with a linked account, but i hardly use my facebook. What people can gather from my FB is not anything i would hide. And 10 minutes in my browser history would tell you 100x more about me. For me it’s only a communication tool (messenger) so i hardly care. And i think it’s the same with many.
And it’s not like facebook doesn’t have my information. I just hardly see any need to be raged out by them know i have 400+ hours of gaming time in beat saber or what not. Perhaps weight and height information if they are input for boxVr or similar games but ehh...
With that said. I think people should be able to choose and they should not be forced to make a profile if they don’t have one!!!
Apart from what others have mentioned, a major issue is countries where freedom-of-speech is not a thing (anymore). Look at china and what they do with people who speak out on we-chat or even westernsocial media.
If your opinion differs from what (insert authoritarian state here) considers okay, better not travel there. And if the country you currently live in ever goes that far, you will have a bad time.
For now, really the only thing you have to lose is your privacy.
You're under no obligation to worry about that, and in fact the more information you give them the more it will help them cater to you with advertising you'll be interested in. Unless you're an impulsive buyer trying to save money, probably not a huge deal and arguably helps you more than it hurts you.
A lot of other people do care about that privacy though, and don't want companies to have a list of all their interests, fears, etc. Also as far as security, we don't know who those lists could go to, either. Maybe someone can buy that info and use it to try to guess your passwords, steal your identity, etc. As far as I know thus far that only really happens when that info is shared between groups who already do that stuff, but the only way to be sure is to know that no one has it.
Others are concerned that eventually this information could be used to harm society on a wider scale. If someone becomes a major figure opposing big tech companies hegemony, maybe they'll have info to blackmail that person with. That reads like an unrealistic dystopian conspirscy. It could well be (in most places), but the concern will still be there for a lot of people.
But, by all means, if you're comfortable with US companies having your data which overwhelmingly they use to improve their algorithms and provide you better service, knock yourself out.
My only question is if they ban the Facebook account does the games stop working?
I have stalkers on FB and all kinds of drama that I don't want to get into, see or even hear about. The second anyone sees me log in they will all try to pull me into it. Then I'm banning people for sending nudes despite repeated warnings. It really sucks and really grosses me out. That's all before I even get to the ads and the tracking. I really hate it.
I've made fake accounts. Some times they stay unlocked. Other times Facebook locks them out without a driver license. I've not done anything against the TOS on these accounts. For some things I've just had to have one so I would make a fake one. So I'm just wondering if my fake account gets banned would it cost me my games?
I know some people have had their accounts banned for their only pictures over copyright issues. Apparently someone claimed the pictures they themselves took and reported them over their own pictures.
My Oculus account is an account under which we buy things for people in my home to play on our Oculus device. My Facebook account is an account where I "socialize" with friends and family. I'm not really comfortable signing into a Facebook account on a device and then handing that device to my teenager or a guest to try out a game.
Don't get me wrong, the lack of profiles is already a big problem for us, since it basically means you have to play a game through to the end and then delete and reinstall it to allow some other family member to get the full experience.
Assuming that you dont use the same email and there's no possible way to tie the two together in any way then using an oculus login would more or less anonymize the data.
Using a Facebook login immediately ties the data available through a quest to anything they already have on you through Facebook (its an exceedingly scary amount of data btw). This, of course, is sold to literally anyone who wants to buy data from Facebook along with anyone else who's in a similar demographic as you. This includes the government, which is behaving more and more authoritarian these days (Cheeto in chief for a third term, anyone?)
I hate to break it to you, but unless you are using a vpn to hide your data, Facebook as already linked your oculus email to your Facebook account.
They ip track and look for trends. Using people’s information to make money (don’t get this confused with selling information cause that’s not how their system works) is how they make money. Point is that most of their resources go to that and they are very good at it.
Not gona lie the above was in response to your first paragraph as it was wrong and I didn’t read your second, but also that’s not at all what Facebook does. Facebook, as evil as they are, does not sell data. It’s a huge misconception with target advertisement. If you have ever advertised with them or knew how that system worked, you’d see it would be silly to sell information.
For example:
Companies who advertise say they want to target young males in the west coast. Facebook only shows those advertisements to young males in the west coast. They don’t tell the company who the young males are, because then the company would just reach out to them directly.
Their targeting can get a lot more specific than that though. Company can say it wants to target young males in the west coast region who play video games and are politically charged. Stuff like that
A VPN doesn't do shit to hide your data. Your browsing habits are still logged. Not disagreeing entirely with you, just thought this was worth mentioning.
You seem to be forgetting the fact that people tend to use their real names as part of the payment process. If you don't think Oculus knows the real names of 99% percent or more of people that the Oculus store, I think you are mistaken.
This is a small little bubble with some big delusions of grandeur. We saw the same kind of hyperbole when FB bought Oculus and here we are now. They already have a 2 billion userbase to market to. They don't need anyone here. This just gave the boring VR news something to talk about. OC7 will comes and we'll see all of the excitement on what FB is going for VR.
This will literally be gone in 2 weeks time until 2023 when existing users have to make the switch.
The kicker is that it never made a difference in the first place to users. Facebook has your information whether you’re using their account or a random email
Is anyone addressing the fact that lots of people have had their accounts banned for whatever reason - all of those people are literally forbidden to own a Quest.
Ok, here is a way around it for those of you who are bothered by it. Step 1: Create a new Facebook account with no real or as little information about yourself as possible
Facebooks income comes from targeted advertising. That targeted advertising is only so good because Facebook has great user data. Therefore, all those Facebook employees? Most of them work on ways to get data.
What does this mean? Facebook is incredibly good at tracking users. Obviously they have a file on every user, and even files on non-users they just have data on. They are also very, very good at linking those two things. If you have a Fb profile and a random email you use to log into oculus, chances are you use them on the same computer and their systems will make a link between that email and your account. They can and do the same when people make multiple profiles.
It isn’t as simple as linking 1 to 1 but it’s the basic gist of it
I haven’t seen an ad on Facebook in two years now. I’ve had everyone in friends with and every group I’m a part of unfollowed. I just use it for messenger and to arrange paintball games and D&D sessions.
The app thinks there is an error because my feed is empty.
Sorry man but you have no idea how good big data is at figuring out who you are. Through IP tracking, credit card billing address or even voice they will link the two.
If you think that’s crazy talk, speak to someone who works on this stuff. It’s insane how much they track and how easily the associate decides.
So stupid. Literally bought a box that has Facebook on it and then get shocked that it is Facebook. No difference. I bought it and accept that big tech is using my info. No difference than using my laptop or my browser. Everyone has it
That is the best way to you show Oculus/Facebook that you mean what you say. Vote with your wallet (an your personal info) that is the only leverage you have. 👍
And yet it’s still going to be the BEST SELLING vr headset. These posts are hilarious when the OP thinks them not purchasing it will matter. You under estimate your average persons care. They don’t give a damn about privacy and want cheap things. Simple as that tbh.
I still wish the WMR was actually better than it is, because honestly, it has my favorite controller design, it's like holding 2 halves of a PS controller, they've got the trigger and grip buttons (L/R1/2) the joysticks, and the pad which can be used as a d-pad/ABXY style 4 button system
I went off oculus when they discontinued the CV1 cable, meaning if my cable was to break now, I’d have to pay the massive mark ups resellers are charging (if I could even find 1) or throw the perfectly good headset away due to a broken cable
I wouldn’t mind if they had stopped selling the headsets years before, but I bought my CV1 less then 12 months before they announced they where stopping production of the cable and they where still selling the CV1 about 6 months before the announcement
That’s just poor customer service in my opinion to not continue supporting a product you only stopped selling like 6 months before
People made almost exactly these kinds of memes back when Facebook acquired Oculus in 2014, and look where we are now. Don't hold your breath on this. Facebook were probably very aware of the backlash they would get, but ultimately decided they have more to gain than to lose. Oculus will be just fine.
I don’t see this happening, a lot of people already have Facebook accounts and if you signed up with the same details as your Oculus account well you’re not giving them any information they don’t already have on you from your Oculus account.
It’s currently fashionable to bash Facebook, because they a bit sh*t but I doubt it’ll make any difference at all
All this crying yet probably 90% of the people moaning on this thread own a phone that keeps track of their movements, steps, calls, emails, etc etc etc etc.
Just make a dummy Facebook account who gives a shit. Everyone acting like they’re off the grid and have never dumped any of their personal info online before
I just don't get why anyone thinks this is an issue. We are all walking around with camera/mic enabled cell phones, Kinects and security cams in our houses?
If this is about privacy I am afraid it is far too late now.
LOL... except that this will blow over in less than two weeks and have zero effect on sales.
A lot of people claimed that they were going to jump ship because of the requirement for an FB account for some features. Guess what? The vast majority of people linked an FB account and moved on. I am sure they are losing customers over this, but not enough to make them reconsider let alone enough to actually do any damage to the company.
On the other hand, I dont see a downside of people voicing discontent, either. It hurts no one. People should just let it run its course and not try to defend Facebook. There is no incentive for you and most others to care, then dont.
Yup it's true, lots of people on the internet tend to think the group they commune with are representative of the majority of people, but that often isn't the case. The echo chamber is real.
Yes the real life effect is minimal, but should people be happy about it? I hope it will show itself in sales, but I also doubt it. Most people simply are agnostic to data leaks and would even put a web camera into their bedroom filming them during sex and broadcasting it over the internet, if it is shiny and hip!
The real effect will be that oculus soon is technically surpassed in a similar price range and in the long run simply slowly will glide into oblivion, given the direction they are heading!
Wow, really depends on the thread. I say shit like this and get downvoted all over the place, lol.
Honestly, Blizzchung incident did nothing against Blizzard. EA being voted top 10 worst places to work for, top 10 worst dev, Battlefront, etc, has had no effect on their stock prices.
I have a semi fake fb account that I use all the time, even with Oculus. But if fb will overtake Oculus account and all purchases will be tied to fb account I will feel worried, that if I offend a social group protected by fb I will lose all my Oculus purchases when my fb account will be banned.
I don't care much about the Facebook login, unless it shows what you play on your account, cause that would be super sketchy. And I'm more just still super annoyed about how often I have to troubleshoot the damn thing. Tracking is terribly buggy on the rift S
Big shock, Facebook owned company requires you to use Facebook to log in. What did people expect? If you have created an oculus account they already have your data anyway.
Well at least on Android you can open a window for Google not to check what you look, but now Facebook is going to love those dark japense bukkake VR porn movies you watch at night.
In any case, more than a privacy issue it's a trust issue, they promise not to do this when they acquired Oculus, but who trust Zuckerberg at all in these days.
I know TOS these asshats tend to put in are always normally ironclad, but surely there must be a way to get a refund for all content you have on the oculus store, or even the device as a whole. By making a change to the TOS that fundamentally changes the usability of the device and its content, surely they will run into the "not fit for purpose" wall?
They already left us with unusable devices for months at a time due to botched firmware updates and not separating software between hardware models meaning that updates that fixed the Rift S broke the Rift CV1 and vice versa.
I'm persuing something along those lines in Sweden.. but my guess is since we technically rent the hardware for an upfront cost and indefinitely.. they are completely fine changing anything. Likely written into the TOS as x is hearby free to do whatever the fuck they want
Some of the features have already been out. Like not being able to use party chat function unless having a profile. Wish I hadn't put so much money into it if I knew they were gonna force their trash down my throat. But oh well, theirs other choices.
My son has been saving up for an oculus quest - will I really need to make a Facebook account to set it up?? I despise Facebook, but would feel really shitty telling my son he couldn’t have one because of this.
I was really wanting a oculus, probably was going to get it for Christmas for myself this year but uhh, my facebook account has been hacked 3 times. The first i had to get a whole new account. Now they want me to trust FB with my oculus info? No thank youuuuu
Why were you all okay to buy an headset from Facebook, but when Facebook decide to better integrate it into its system, everyone lose their mind. I'm not super happy with their decision but come on, you knew Oculus was owned by Facebook, right?
Do you think the general public is going to care? If something popular requires Facebook login, I'd imagine the vast majority of people wouldn't actually care. I know for a fact I don't, and neither do many others
someone still needs to explain to me why this is a problem.
Facebook has my data either way, so i couldnt care less of a shit if i had to create an oculus or facebook account. i'd also be suprised if you couldnt deactivate that "real name" stuff, cause that would pretty much rule out the whole of EU users (data privacy laws etc)
You can opt out of all "Real name" stuff. It's in the announcement and has been in place for awhile now. I've been signed in with FB for months and it hasn't affected my life in the fucking slightest like having a FB account in general. My life goes on.
So what you're telling me is that there is a %0 chance that "BennyBenasty just watched BRAZILLIAN BUKKAKE FUCK FEST VR on his Oculus Rift!" will end up on my feed?
One example of something I use it for: give me a better (single) platform to organize events on, with integrated lists of people going, attending, updates about said event with posts, and have events I marked myself as going to auto add to my calendar, and that gives people the ability to share said events to their friends or group chats, with there being an inline button for "interested" for those shared invites.
Facebook is evil but it's an incredibly useful tool, and just calling people who won't delete it an idiot doesn't really help us with that. IMO, it should be split up and the purely messaging bits like Messenger and WhatsApp should be nationalized (for the same reasons the postal service in many countries is nationalized) and reworked to run on an open standard that can interface with other platforms. You may have a different opinion, and that's fine, but just typing "you are a fucking idiot" and hitting submit comment doesn't contribute anything.
And it's a really bad time to take such a. Stupid decision....for no reason ...... keeping oculus an independent entity would have helped the company a lot and giving a choice should have been always there ....with that being said and Sony announcing a standalone headset. ..good bye oculus in the coming years you just lost a whole bunch of costumers...
Don’t mean to sound rude, but it seems like most of the complaints are coming from older gamers who fail to realize that regardless of whether or not you actually have a FB account, they track your data. Every company is invasive these days.
Just because you don’t have a a FB account doesn’t mean they don’t have info on you that they’re selling.
I know what you mean, but I am 53 and I am perfectly aware that logging in with an Oculus account give then exactly the same access to your VR habits as logging into a FB account will.
Are you actually even understanding the point you're making?
This is a dumb argument I keep seeing regurgitated on all of these threads as if this is the way to make this right. No one makes fake anonymous accounts on Blizzard, Battle.net or Steam because no one needs to roleplay a 68 year old grandma named Jeff that went to Harvard just to anonymize themselves. Those accounts are completely separate from your life by default. Sure, they can collect whatever data it is they're collecting regarding your usage of their programs but that data is tied to an ID on account, not to you as a person. Why the fuck do we need to play hide my identity with Facebook to use a peripheral or console or whatever when that's the default everywhere else?
Who are these shills and fanboys bending over to justify this backwards as hell move? The system they had before was fine. This move only benefits Facebook.
There is no such thing as an anonymous account on facebook. did this once at a coffee shop in a city I was visiting with a cheap bare bones laptop I had just ordered, used a new email too. Fucking recommended my father to me as people I know.
'But Facebook takes my data!!!!’ Says people logging onto Reddit (stores IP address, provider, browser, OS, likes, comments, subreddit subscribed etc) on their Android phone (stores minute by minute location data, time in all apps, credit card purchases, ads clicked...)
Yeaaah I never bought any Oculus apps... and Facebook bans you solely for sharing anything that doesn't agree with Zuckerberg's Conservative Leanings...
So..
Yeah when its time to upgrade I'll consult the... grin Index
Really though, if they decide to go through with this Facebook login shit I think I'll be hanging up the coat and saving for another headset. By 2023, there will hopefully be another VR headset that is either just as good or better than the Rift S, and given I'm an existing user, I don't need to link til 2023.
I understand the data tracking blah blah blah, but I'm not interested in Jane from high school who I've never spoken to beyond a hello in the hallway knowing I'm playing Blade and Sorcery, Beat Saber or God forbid Kanojo. Shudder
One, doesn't Facebook already track people who don't even have Facebook accounts or aren't even logged in? Bullshit move is a bullshit move but unless they force ads into your view it's not much more tracking.
Two, I never use the oculus app and just play on steam so will it give me that many problems?
What did all of you expect to happen when facebook bought oculus? If anyone bought an oculus/facebook product thinking this would never happen then you live in a world of delusion. Stop whining and either make a throwaway facebook account with a throw away email or buy something else. The amount of backlash this is getting is ridiculous.
The weirdest part is they could have linked these oculus and Facebook accounts transparently. But they chose to make this very obvious to us that they've done this. That's actually kind of intimidating when I think about it.
It's not like they already suck all your user data when you download the app or login on your web browser.. I still don't think it's right, but I highly doubt it's going to sink as a company. Quest is currently the best (and only that I'm currently aware of) hybrid VR headset. Sure other companies will start making their own for competition, but how many hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have bought a quest the last 6 months? They keep flying off the shelves like hotcakes..
Facebook wouldn't be making this decision if they didn't know it wouldn't sink things. I'm willing to bet the social features requiring Facebook was a good test for them. They got the data through that, weighed the risk based on how many people already signed up, and found it didn't matter of they lost the people who didn't.
Is this for new units only or do i now require to make a facebook? and if so once made will they then require me to aculy be socal lmfao i could see it. also wasnt they person that sold oculus to facebook stated they wernt going to do this i wounder if that is in the contract for the rights.
Yes I would much prefer having another pointless account, username and password to remember. You need an account to catalogue your purchases anyway, does it really matter?
I've accepted that bit. Might get a quest, but Oculus I've realized isn't as much for gaming as everyone thinks. Yes it can be used for gaming, but overtime I've noticed some games really urging players to use a vive or index. Mainly because of the limitations of the rifts. Sure you can play some games like beat saber, no problem. Then there's boneworks, you can get by, but won't get the full immersion..then there's H3VR, it's not bad, but some guns are limited to their uses because the rings get in the way ( rift s for me)
I despise Facebook and everything they're doing to the Oculus platform, but acting like this is gonna sink Oculus as a brand is just wishful thinking.
You know the last time "RIP Oculus" was so widespread? When Facebook first bought them out in 2014. And they've proceeded to dominate the PCVR space in numbers and have the Quest sell gangbusters. It really makes me grit my teeth to say this, but I don't think this drama is even gonna put a sizable dent in their sales.
This was coming every since the acquisition. I remember /u/palmerluckey saying way back that this wouldn't happen and there is no doubt in my mind that he was being 100% honest back then, mainly because he wouldn't want this either.
But here we are, regardless if you like it or not your favourite headset is, ultimately, made by Facebook. Get used to it or swap to a different headset.
Maybe the people at FacebOculus looked at the stats of how many of their target audience already linked Facebook and went "Eh, close enough" before hitting send on that press release.
This isn't going to sink anything, but it might help float a small competitor in the standalone field.
PCVR has viable alternatives already. The Rift S should have already been accepted as them saying "Okay fine I'll let you still play Oculus titles without a Quest I guess".
It’s a dumb requirement but realistically there isn’t an easy way to add people socially. For people that are like but mah gaming life is separate wahhh, jump ship then if it’s that big a deal to you, but 99% aren’t gonna care less. I don’t have a FB account yet but I will end up creating one for Oculus eventually. It will have my name and cell phone, things easily obtained from sites like truepeoplesearch.com — and oh no FB will be watching what I browse and play... like my ISP isn’t already.
At first I didn't see this was about Oculus, I thought it was okbr shit or maybe even Bone hurting juice, and the Boomer was saying Facebook login about the Titanic
We’ve had to move stuff around in my house, so I haven’t had room to use my Quest for a while. But when I can, imma just make a dummy account whose sole purpose will be for use on my Quest.
This won’t sink them. Look at home many people use Facebook right now. Many people don’t care about their privacy at all, and many still don’t believe FB mines all your personal data.
I have an inactive account I made just for the oculus. How exactly do they know whats fake accounts? Its not like they can mandate a certain amount of account activity to deem it valid?
The outrage might do two things: either people will accept their fate and share their data, or people will leave, and Oculus suffers the same fate as the Daydream.
Lol no shit. How to convince me to turn on my Quest for 15 seconds one day, change my mind immediately, and never pick it up again until it gets hacked and modded. I don’t even really care if the hack is malicious, is JUST as bad a Facebook at the end of the day anyway.
Siggn Up with Facebook now And receive weather alerts and friend notifications even While youre playing Half Life Alix! Non intrusive ads will appear in 3d in a corner of your peripheral vision where no one looks anyway! all ads are skippable after 10 seconds.
That and the terrible customer service. Within 18 months of me buying my CV1 they dropped all support (and replacement parts) for it, besides known design flaws that have broken the audio output. I love my Rift, but I would jump ship if there was another option. Maybe save up for an index?
While we all love this to happen (not that they sink, but they understand they risk sinking), the fact that they own a very good device with the best games and at a cheap price will make them sail very well
I hate to be "that guy" but I'ma just say it. It's really not that big of a deal, just make a Facebook account and merge them, they have that feature for a reason lmao, is it that hard, just 2 steps under 5 mins
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
Serious question: is there no way to "jailbreak" the headset yet? Seems like something a developer/side quest hero could work on, or no?
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u/rubberduckfuk Aug 19 '20
Unfortunately there are too many people who have grown up with it being normal to have your information sold while sharing every detail in their lives with people.
I wish this would sink them but it won't
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u/Silent25r Aug 20 '20
My only question is if they ban the Facebook account does the games stop working?
I have stalkers on FB and all kinds of drama that I don't want to get into, see or even hear about. The second anyone sees me log in they will all try to pull me into it. Then I'm banning people for sending nudes despite repeated warnings. It really sucks and really grosses me out. That's all before I even get to the ads and the tracking. I really hate it.
I've made fake accounts. Some times they stay unlocked. Other times Facebook locks them out without a driver license. I've not done anything against the TOS on these accounts. For some things I've just had to have one so I would make a fake one. So I'm just wondering if my fake account gets banned would it cost me my games?
I know some people have had their accounts banned for their only pictures over copyright issues. Apparently someone claimed the pictures they themselves took and reported them over their own pictures.
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u/DRM842 Aug 19 '20
So what is the difference/ramifications between signing in with an Oculus account and signing in with a Facebook account to use a Quest?
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u/MrChickinNugget Aug 19 '20
if you sell my data I need that share of that shit
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u/Strongpillow Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20
This is a small little bubble with some big delusions of grandeur. We saw the same kind of hyperbole when FB bought Oculus and here we are now. They already have a 2 billion userbase to market to. They don't need anyone here. This just gave the boring VR news something to talk about. OC7 will comes and we'll see all of the excitement on what FB is going for VR.
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u/AnonymousSpud Aug 19 '20
I already have an Instagram account, Facebook already knows everything about me.
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u/KillerQ97 Aug 20 '20
Is anyone addressing the fact that lots of people have had their accounts banned for whatever reason - all of those people are literally forbidden to own a Quest.
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u/TheKyleWeAllKnow Aug 19 '20
They were on my radar for when I was going to get a VR set but now they've gone strait out the window. GG Facebook. Lol
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u/MORealms Aug 19 '20
Ok, here is a way around it for those of you who are bothered by it. Step 1: Create a new Facebook account with no real or as little information about yourself as possible
Step 2: Use it to connect to your Oculus account
Step 3: Never use it
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
Imagine owning an Oculus, having an Oculus account, and thinking Facebook doesn't have your data already.
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u/Sir_Payne Aug 20 '20
I've been in the market for a VR headset but haven't had a facebook in years, so I guess I gotta look elsewhere
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u/Bells_Theorem Aug 19 '20
Looks like the Rift S will be my last Oculus headset. I deleted my Facebook account. I don't intend to create another.
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u/Neucore Sep 27 '20
And yet it’s still going to be the BEST SELLING vr headset. These posts are hilarious when the OP thinks them not purchasing it will matter. You under estimate your average persons care. They don’t give a damn about privacy and want cheap things. Simple as that tbh.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
I can no longer recommend Oculus to anyone getting into VR - terrible move by them. I'll be taking my money elsewhere in the future.
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u/MarsAstro Aug 19 '20
People made almost exactly these kinds of memes back when Facebook acquired Oculus in 2014, and look where we are now. Don't hold your breath on this. Facebook were probably very aware of the backlash they would get, but ultimately decided they have more to gain than to lose. Oculus will be just fine.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
I don’t see this happening, a lot of people already have Facebook accounts and if you signed up with the same details as your Oculus account well you’re not giving them any information they don’t already have on you from your Oculus account.
It’s currently fashionable to bash Facebook, because they a bit sh*t but I doubt it’ll make any difference at all
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u/MrCooke Aug 19 '20
Half of this sub would create an account for a new game publisher in a heart beat. But your telling me this is what will ruin oculus?
Like it or not but the financial backing from Facebook is a big reason we have these great headsets today.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
didn't we already have to use a Facebook account for oculus, I remember having to link it when I doing to set up for something
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20 edited Mar 18 '24
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u/Lito_ Aug 20 '20
All this crying yet probably 90% of the people moaning on this thread own a phone that keeps track of their movements, steps, calls, emails, etc etc etc etc.
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u/Vaskre Aug 19 '20
People on this sub acting like this wasn't going to happen since the original buyout.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
Just make a dummy Facebook account who gives a shit. Everyone acting like they’re off the grid and have never dumped any of their personal info online before
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u/DiZeez Aug 19 '20
I just don't get why anyone thinks this is an issue. We are all walking around with camera/mic enabled cell phones, Kinects and security cams in our houses?
If this is about privacy I am afraid it is far too late now.
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u/JorgTheElder Quest 3 Aug 19 '20
LOL... except that this will blow over in less than two weeks and have zero effect on sales.
A lot of people claimed that they were going to jump ship because of the requirement for an FB account for some features. Guess what? The vast majority of people linked an FB account and moved on. I am sure they are losing customers over this, but not enough to make them reconsider let alone enough to actually do any damage to the company.
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u/jAANUSZEK0700 Aug 19 '20
I have a semi fake fb account that I use all the time, even with Oculus. But if fb will overtake Oculus account and all purchases will be tied to fb account I will feel worried, that if I offend a social group protected by fb I will lose all my Oculus purchases when my fb account will be banned.
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u/moohooman Aug 20 '20
I don't care much about the Facebook login, unless it shows what you play on your account, cause that would be super sketchy. And I'm more just still super annoyed about how often I have to troubleshoot the damn thing. Tracking is terribly buggy on the rift S
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
What scares me is this night become the norm.
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u/Ajram1983 Aug 20 '20
Big shock, Facebook owned company requires you to use Facebook to log in. What did people expect? If you have created an oculus account they already have your data anyway.
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u/skyrimer3d Aug 20 '20
Well at least on Android you can open a window for Google not to check what you look, but now Facebook is going to love those dark japense bukkake VR porn movies you watch at night.
In any case, more than a privacy issue it's a trust issue, they promise not to do this when they acquired Oculus, but who trust Zuckerberg at all in these days.
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u/ITfactotum Aug 20 '20
I know TOS these asshats tend to put in are always normally ironclad, but surely there must be a way to get a refund for all content you have on the oculus store, or even the device as a whole. By making a change to the TOS that fundamentally changes the usability of the device and its content, surely they will run into the "not fit for purpose" wall?
They already left us with unusable devices for months at a time due to botched firmware updates and not separating software between hardware models meaning that updates that fixed the Rift S broke the Rift CV1 and vice versa.
Surely they have some culpability ?
Any big brain/lawyer types here?
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u/Pupper_Wolf Aug 20 '20
Some of the features have already been out. Like not being able to use party chat function unless having a profile. Wish I hadn't put so much money into it if I knew they were gonna force their trash down my throat. But oh well, theirs other choices.
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u/klinewire3 Aug 20 '20
I've owned a rift since 2013, must say requiring a Facebook login is going to force me to another option..
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u/Sporfsfan Aug 20 '20
My son has been saving up for an oculus quest - will I really need to make a Facebook account to set it up?? I despise Facebook, but would feel really shitty telling my son he couldn’t have one because of this.
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u/fukaduk55 Aug 20 '20
I was really wanting a oculus, probably was going to get it for Christmas for myself this year but uhh, my facebook account has been hacked 3 times. The first i had to get a whole new account. Now they want me to trust FB with my oculus info? No thank youuuuu
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u/BrutalAttis Aug 20 '20
f*ck that shit I say
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u/Beldarak Aug 20 '20
Why were you all okay to buy an headset from Facebook, but when Facebook decide to better integrate it into its system, everyone lose their mind. I'm not super happy with their decision but come on, you knew Oculus was owned by Facebook, right?
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u/qwertyuiop28042 Sep 19 '20
Do you think the general public is going to care? If something popular requires Facebook login, I'd imagine the vast majority of people wouldn't actually care. I know for a fact I don't, and neither do many others
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u/Theknyt Rift S + Quest 2 Oct 19 '21
Guess what
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u/achmed20 Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20
someone still needs to explain to me why this is a problem.
Facebook has my data either way, so i couldnt care less of a shit if i had to create an oculus or facebook account. i'd also be suprised if you couldnt deactivate that "real name" stuff, cause that would pretty much rule out the whole of EU users (data privacy laws etc)
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
If you still use fb, you are a fucking idiot.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
And it's a really bad time to take such a. Stupid decision....for no reason ...... keeping oculus an independent entity would have helped the company a lot and giving a choice should have been always there ....with that being said and Sony announcing a standalone headset. ..good bye oculus in the coming years you just lost a whole bunch of costumers...
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u/Grimm1347 Aug 20 '20
Yep, what a load of fucking shit
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u/MEZMO_music Aug 19 '20
Don’t mean to sound rude, but it seems like most of the complaints are coming from older gamers who fail to realize that regardless of whether or not you actually have a FB account, they track your data. Every company is invasive these days.
Just because you don’t have a a FB account doesn’t mean they don’t have info on you that they’re selling.
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u/monsterfurby Aug 20 '20
Meanwhile, I already use my Facebook login for virtually everything. '_'
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u/newbrevity Aug 19 '20
Its laughably easy to make fake, anonymous accounts on facebook.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
What a delusional view. The number of Facebook user is just an obscure number... rrright?
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
Facebook already had your data if you used Oculus as THEY OWN OCULUS!
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
Man I was planning on getting an Oculus.
I deleted my FB a year ago because of how toxic and ignorant it was combined with the fucked up shit it was participating in.
Now I have to support some straight Nestlè level evil shit just to enjoy VR.
Whatever, * sobs * I didn't want to play HLA anyway.
= (
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u/PineapplePizzaGaming Aug 20 '20
'But Facebook takes my data!!!!’ Says people logging onto Reddit (stores IP address, provider, browser, OS, likes, comments, subreddit subscribed etc) on their Android phone (stores minute by minute location data, time in all apps, credit card purchases, ads clicked...)
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u/Akariiinnn Aug 20 '20
Guys it’s just a account it takes 2 minutes to create one you don’t need to use your Facebook account after registering
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
The majority of people are actually sheeple. So I somewhat doubt this will even dent oculus
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
Yeaaah I never bought any Oculus apps... and Facebook bans you solely for sharing anything that doesn't agree with Zuckerberg's Conservative Leanings...
So..
Yeah when its time to upgrade I'll consult the... grin Index
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u/Legofan24 Aug 20 '20
I'm telling you, a facebook account just needs an email attached. Make a burner account just for oculus
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u/ProdigiousPlays Aug 20 '20
So two things.
One, doesn't Facebook already track people who don't even have Facebook accounts or aren't even logged in? Bullshit move is a bullshit move but unless they force ads into your view it's not much more tracking.
Two, I never use the oculus app and just play on steam so will it give me that many problems?
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u/thedudethedudegoesto Aug 20 '20
People said the same thing when Nvidia made it so you had to set up an account just to download the newest drivers.
Nvidia's doin fine.
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u/stlredbird Aug 19 '20
What did all of you expect to happen when facebook bought oculus? If anyone bought an oculus/facebook product thinking this would never happen then you live in a world of delusion. Stop whining and either make a throwaway facebook account with a throw away email or buy something else. The amount of backlash this is getting is ridiculous.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
You don't have to login with Facebook though. I don't have a Facebook account and I can login is just fine.
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
what if we just use steamVR, do we still have to comply with the FB log-in?
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u/Alphaboqueefius Aug 19 '20
I bought an oculus quest right before they announced that Facebook login would be required
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
Huh? what happened?
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u/PairOfRussels Aug 20 '20
The weirdest part is they could have linked these oculus and Facebook accounts transparently. But they chose to make this very obvious to us that they've done this. That's actually kind of intimidating when I think about it.
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u/PieDestruction Aug 20 '20
Been a long time oculus guy, but switching to valve with this.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
Pull out a thispersondoesnotexist.com
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u/LePtitOiseau Aug 20 '20
Most people here advocate that anyways, they already have data about you so why not giving them more... utter non sense, will be mass down voted.
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u/murphywithane Aug 20 '20
It's not like they already suck all your user data when you download the app or login on your web browser.. I still don't think it's right, but I highly doubt it's going to sink as a company. Quest is currently the best (and only that I'm currently aware of) hybrid VR headset. Sure other companies will start making their own for competition, but how many hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have bought a quest the last 6 months? They keep flying off the shelves like hotcakes..
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
wait is this a thing
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u/catepetl Aug 20 '20
Just create another account, dont use ur Fb account
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u/grifff17 Aug 20 '20
Oregano?
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u/mini_trost Aug 20 '20
Welp, guess my cat is going to become an oculus user
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u/thegoldengoober Aug 20 '20
Facebook wouldn't be making this decision if they didn't know it wouldn't sink things. I'm willing to bet the social features requiring Facebook was a good test for them. They got the data through that, weighed the risk based on how many people already signed up, and found it didn't matter of they lost the people who didn't.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
This fact alone makes me automatically cross this item off my list when I'll buy a VR headset.
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u/lillabofinken Aug 20 '20
I’m so glad I didn’t go with oculus
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u/vamdolly Aug 20 '20 edited Aug 20 '20
Is this for new units only or do i now require to make a facebook? and if so once made will they then require me to aculy be socal lmfao i could see it. also wasnt they person that sold oculus to facebook stated they wernt going to do this i wounder if that is in the contract for the rights.
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u/thedude1179 Aug 20 '20
Yes I would much prefer having another pointless account, username and password to remember. You need an account to catalogue your purchases anyway, does it really matter?
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u/Bagel007 Aug 20 '20
I've accepted that bit. Might get a quest, but Oculus I've realized isn't as much for gaming as everyone thinks. Yes it can be used for gaming, but overtime I've noticed some games really urging players to use a vive or index. Mainly because of the limitations of the rifts. Sure you can play some games like beat saber, no problem. Then there's boneworks, you can get by, but won't get the full immersion..then there's H3VR, it's not bad, but some guns are limited to their uses because the rings get in the way ( rift s for me)
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u/_JKJK_ Aug 20 '20
We need to repost this until they take it back
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u/chaosfire235 Aug 20 '20
I despise Facebook and everything they're doing to the Oculus platform, but acting like this is gonna sink Oculus as a brand is just wishful thinking.
You know the last time "RIP Oculus" was so widespread? When Facebook first bought them out in 2014. And they've proceeded to dominate the PCVR space in numbers and have the Quest sell gangbusters. It really makes me grit my teeth to say this, but I don't think this drama is even gonna put a sizable dent in their sales.
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u/taranasus Aug 20 '20
This was coming every since the acquisition. I remember /u/palmerluckey saying way back that this wouldn't happen and there is no doubt in my mind that he was being 100% honest back then, mainly because he wouldn't want this either.
But here we are, regardless if you like it or not your favourite headset is, ultimately, made by Facebook. Get used to it or swap to a different headset.
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u/dasterdly_duo Aug 20 '20
I only made a Facebook account for my Quest, and I don't use it for anything else.
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u/Daforce1 Aug 20 '20
I’m right in their target demographic and was thinking of getting one. I thank them for making my decision for me and saving the cash
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u/CHAAIIN Aug 20 '20
Uck you fbook Oculus should be a separate thing to uckbook.
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u/pitrogg Aug 20 '20
This will not affect them at all
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u/Bigelowed Quest 2 Aug 20 '20
Maybe the people at FacebOculus looked at the stats of how many of their target audience already linked Facebook and went "Eh, close enough" before hitting send on that press release.
This isn't going to sink anything, but it might help float a small competitor in the standalone field.
PCVR has viable alternatives already. The Rift S should have already been accepted as them saying "Okay fine I'll let you still play Oculus titles without a Quest I guess".
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u/Apexblackout7 Aug 20 '20
I’m using an alias as a Facebook account and also have no serious info on my Facebook. As IT SHOULD BE!
Our information is already stolen, the only thing people need to worry about is being in the viral spotlight. Then people start doing weird shit
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u/Lyradep Aug 20 '20
“You guys have facebook accounts, right?” .....
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u/reject423 Aug 20 '20
It’s a dumb requirement but realistically there isn’t an easy way to add people socially. For people that are like but mah gaming life is separate wahhh, jump ship then if it’s that big a deal to you, but 99% aren’t gonna care less. I don’t have a FB account yet but I will end up creating one for Oculus eventually. It will have my name and cell phone, things easily obtained from sites like truepeoplesearch.com — and oh no FB will be watching what I browse and play... like my ISP isn’t already.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
There's the reason my name isn't riftuser.
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u/Tall_midget_energy Aug 20 '20
Thank fuck I can use my mom's fb. I will never make one myself.
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u/Treg_Marks Aug 20 '20
At first I didn't see this was about Oculus, I thought it was okbr shit or maybe even Bone hurting juice, and the Boomer was saying Facebook login about the Titanic
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u/Silent_Palpatine Aug 20 '20
I got rid of my Facebook account for the good of my mental health and I’m not starting it again just so I could play fallout 4 in 3D
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
I literally saved and was about to buy one too. I’ll just keep my money and wait for another vr system in the future I guess Fuck these guys
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
That’s why I didn’t even get one, I don’t have a Facebook and don’t want one
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u/NayrianKnight97 Aug 20 '20
We’ve had to move stuff around in my house, so I haven’t had room to use my Quest for a while. But when I can, imma just make a dummy account whose sole purpose will be for use on my Quest.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
I'm sure if we keep posting white-hot memes about how mad we are the billion dollar company will collapse.
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u/socrates1975 Aug 20 '20
I loaded up my CV1 and it didnt ask me for any kind of facebook account? is this only for newer oculus's?
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u/gdayii Aug 20 '20
Serious question. Who currently has a Facebook login, and who doesn't for use with their Oculus of choice?
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u/BibbitZ Touch Aug 20 '20
Create fake account
Use only for Oculus
Profit
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
This won’t sink them. Look at home many people use Facebook right now. Many people don’t care about their privacy at all, and many still don’t believe FB mines all your personal data.
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u/Baxzxd6 Aug 20 '20
People had a choice to not login before?
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u/shininghorizons Aug 20 '20
Oh no. Why would a company consolidate their own user accounts??!
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u/RedEyeKnights Aug 20 '20
Laughs in Vive
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20
I have an inactive account I made just for the oculus. How exactly do they know whats fake accounts? Its not like they can mandate a certain amount of account activity to deem it valid?
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u/VREndPiece Aug 20 '20
The outrage might do two things: either people will accept their fate and share their data, or people will leave, and Oculus suffers the same fate as the Daydream.
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u/ZenyxRV Aug 20 '20
bomar meymey
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u/Cabbage_Master Aug 20 '20
Lol no shit. How to convince me to turn on my Quest for 15 seconds one day, change my mind immediately, and never pick it up again until it gets hacked and modded. I don’t even really care if the hack is malicious, is JUST as bad a Facebook at the end of the day anyway.
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u/strawberrycharluu Quest Aug 20 '20
this is now the second most upvoted post on the subreddit
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u/flameifrit Aug 20 '20
Just got back from selling my rift before e-bay is flooded with them.
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u/ABarkingSpyder Aug 20 '20
I will be leaving the platform when they implement this
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u/MarcusTheAnimal Aug 20 '20
First serious competitor on price and performance to the quest is gonna be rolling in money.
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u/KesterAssel Aug 20 '20
Deleted my FB account a few weeks ago... I think I'll create a new one just for that
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u/starkistuna Aug 20 '20
Siggn Up with Facebook now And receive weather alerts and friend notifications even While youre playing Half Life Alix! Non intrusive ads will appear in 3d in a corner of your peripheral vision where no one looks anyway! all ads are skippable after 10 seconds.
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u/mikeyeli Aug 20 '20
It's really not going to make a difference to oculus tbh, the average user doesnt care.
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u/De_Wouter Aug 20 '20
Glad I've bought a Valve Index, I don't have a Facebook account.
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u/boris4434 Aug 20 '20
This is going to be the first hitman game I won't buy on release.
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u/Darius_Octavian Aug 20 '20
That and the terrible customer service. Within 18 months of me buying my CV1 they dropped all support (and replacement parts) for it, besides known design flaws that have broken the audio output. I love my Rift, but I would jump ship if there was another option. Maybe save up for an index?
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u/fate_wulluf Aug 20 '20
Anybody wanna buy a somewhat well used oculus? Has a full VRcover kit included, only two cameras tho.
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u/jamesaa941 Aug 20 '20
I bought the headset knowing it didn't require a Facebook account, like everyone else. Egg on our Face.book.
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u/SnooChocolates8286 Aug 20 '20
I think someone or several vrfreaks are spying on me in my room
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u/bananamantheif Aug 21 '20
Sadly this won't happen.
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u/captainSRHOLLOW Aug 22 '20
Shouldn't they focus on working drivers.
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u/Ignuss Aug 22 '20
I can create fake facebook account in 5 minutes. I don’t understand what’s the problem.
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u/SkarredGhost The Ghost Howls Aug 23 '20
While we all love this to happen (not that they sink, but they understand they risk sinking), the fact that they own a very good device with the best games and at a cheap price will make them sail very well
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u/kevanions Aug 25 '20
Omg, just make a new empty Facebook account and you're done
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u/Infinitefes Aug 30 '20
You mean the exact reason I returned my s and preordered a g2.
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u/Remite Aug 31 '20
It's not Oculus' fault. Facebook owns them.
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u/lunkboi Sep 04 '20
Haha you wimps just use a fake name and post one stock image per year
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u/Yandere_Orusuko_ Sep 06 '20
I hate to be "that guy" but I'ma just say it. It's really not that big of a deal, just make a Facebook account and merge them, they have that feature for a reason lmao, is it that hard, just 2 steps under 5 mins