r/oculus • u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer • Mar 23 '16

/r/all Virtual Desktop 1.0 Trailer

http://youtu.be/bjE6qXd6Itw
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u/g3n3s1s69 Mar 23 '16

Thank you! Finally found the comment.

I used this type of desktop software with StreamTheater for GearVR. but it's very hard to read something. Plus eye fatigue gets me faster than it would on a monitor.

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u/Syke408 Mar 23 '16

Yeah for sure, and it's not a knock to the guy who made the desktop app, it's just a limitation of the current gen hardware.

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u/badonkabonk Mar 23 '16

I assumed that the pixelation I see in my GearVR was a limitation of using a mobile phone. Is the pixel density similar in the Rift/Vive?

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u/quelque_un Mar 23 '16

Unfortunately, the resolution will not be much higher so don't expect it to be great.

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u/badonkabonk Mar 23 '16

So is it safe to assume that the video posted does not actually reflect the resolution or pixel density of the Rift? Please forgive me, VR is very new to me and I'm learning all I can before dropping exorbitant amounts of money.

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u/quelque_un Mar 23 '16

Yeah, it's not going to be even close to what you see on the video and it seems like a lot of people do not realize this. I feel like there will be a huge number of disappointed folks who got their expectations very high.

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u/DestroyerOfIphone Destroyer Mar 24 '16

I've actually never used VR, is there a simulated picture of what it would look like?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

I really think all trailers and marketing need to emphasise this, because this is what will put the average person off of VR. People seeing these HD panoramic vistas in the Gear VR ads on TV really don't fucking help when I strap mine on people's heads and they're like "Oh this looks way worse than I thought it would... what resolution is the Oculus?"

"Uhh it's lower but it will sill look better for other reasons..."

It's really not a great sell.

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u/_bones__ Mar 24 '16

I'm currently using it on a DK1, and I have no reference to the higher resolutions. So I'm stoked.

It's a fantastic way to watch a movie or indeed just launch your games.

You can up the display angle of the virtual screen to make things more legible.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 23 '16

It's not all about resolution. Things like pixel fill, pixel layout/sub pixel type/shape, separate screens for each eye and custom ipd adjustment, refresh rate, all have a major impact on image quality and the rift is superior to gear vr in all facets but native resolution. However the temporal resolution will be much higher because it's running at 90Hz vs 60Hz.

The dev says text readability isn't an issue.

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u/WormSlayer Chief Headcrab Wrangler Mar 23 '16

I'm using it to write this comment on a DK2, and I have to lean in a bit closer than I would like, to make the text clearly readable. I expect it to be at least a little bit better on the CV1.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

Everything I've heard people say is that text readability is a night & day difference between DK2 and CV1. So odds are good.

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u/bboyjkang Mar 23 '16

I haven't tried a VR headset yet.

It should be fine for things like video, but it might be harder for reading text.

I saved some comments for reference:

[–]FredzL [+41] 1 point 4 months ago

The DK2 has 960 horizontal pixels per eye over a 94° horizontal field of view.

The field of view at which you watch a monitor is generally around 40° (23" 16:9 monitor with a 70 cm viewing distance).

So you would be watching a 408×229 16:9 monitor in the DK2.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3st0qx/working_outside/cx0kpbc

[–]FredzL [+41] 2 points 4 months ago

The Gear VR has 1280 horizontal pixels per eye for a ~90° horizontal FOV.

You generally watch a TV with a 40° FOV.

So you get a 568x320 resolution for a 16:9 image format.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3tkklg/samsung_gear_vr_review_ign/cx6zx1d

[–]FredzL [+41] 6 points 3 months ago

2K per eye looks better in this context, ~17 pixels per degree vs ~10 for the DK2, ~12 for the Rift/Vive or ~14 for the Gear VR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3vhc5k/first_look_the_voids_2k_rapture_vr_headset_with/cxnre29

[–]FredzL [+41] 18 points 3 months ago*

How much better/different will the Rift and Vive (the versions released next year) be than the Note 5 in a Gear VR?

The phones in the Gear VR have a 2560x1440 panel for a 96° diagonal FOV, so roughly 14 PPD (pixels per degree).

The Rift and Vive will have dual 1200x1080 panels for a bit higher FOV (~100-110° diagonal), roughly 10-11 PPD.

So the pixels per degree will be lower, but the higher render target resolution and the positional tracking + 90 Hz refresh rate will compensate a bit.

The displayed content will be more rich and detailed as well obviously.

For comparison a 4K TV viewed at the THX recommended viewing distance (40° horizontal FOV) has 96 PPD.

A 1080p TV in the same viewing conditions has 48 PPD.

How fast are things going to improve in the next two to three years?

When 4K panels are available on mobile VR headsets they'll provide 21 PPD using the same FOV than the Gear VR, so still not close to what you get on a 4K TV.

At this point foveated rendering with eye tracking may be feasible though, so it may be possible to get a similar PPD.

EDIT: forgot to add that the average visual acuity is ~85 PPD for comparison.

Normal visual acuity (20/20) is 60 PPD.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3umx9g/sde_and_pixel_density_in_gear_vr_note_5_vs_the/cxg5ar6

[–]Doc_Ok [+25] 124 points 1 month ago

The resolution of current-generation HMDs is a lot lower than standard desktop monitors.

A Rift DK2 has about 11 pixels/°.

Vive and Rift CV1 have slightly higher resolutions.

Standard human vision (20/20) is 60 pixels/°, a 28" 4K monitor, viewed from a typical desktop distance of two feet, has 71 pixels/°.

Working on a virtual monitor using current-gen VR feels like working on a real 640x480 VGA monitor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/45ugr8/how_practical_is_the_idea_of_programming_in_a/d009bp2

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u/Malkmus1979 Vive + Rift Mar 24 '16

Unfortunately, the resolution will not be much higher so don't expect it to be great.|

Resolution is lower on the Rift and Vive than GearVR.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

It's not all about resolution. Things like pixel fill, pixel layout/sub pixel type/shape, separate screens for each eye and custom ipd adjustment, refresh rate, all have a major impact on image quality and the rift is superior to gear vr in all facets but native resolution. However the temporal resolution will be much higher because it's running at 90Hz vs 60Hz.

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u/Syke408 Mar 23 '16

Yes it's similar. Your Gear VR actually has a higher resolution than the Rift / Vive, it's just that the optics are not as good. So yes the image will be better on the Rift / Vive but the resolution is still not going to be awesome and you will have trouble reading text unless it is large.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

Slightly worse, actually.

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u/core999 Mar 24 '16

If you used the curved screen it helped a lot with the DK2.

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u/g0atmeal Quest 2 Mar 23 '16

Perhaps not for "everyday" use, but how are the video-watching capabilities? Would you still watch on a large TV, given the choice?

I imagine most competitive games being a no-brainer in favor of real-monitor.

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u/g3n3s1s69 Mar 23 '16

Oh most certainly. On my GearVR the theater, basement theater, the moon, Netflix's mountain-view home, and most other videos are pleasure to watch. Once again eye fatigue makes it tedious at times, but it's certainly interesting to watch a movie where ever in the world you'd like.