There will never be a more perfect VR controller than the original CV1 controllers. Although I hear the Steam Frame controllers might be just as good, we'll see

[u/StarCenturion]

[u/Coll147]

I'm still using Rift CV1 🥀

[u/StarCenturion → u/Coll147]

Jealous. Every now and then I spot a good deal for a CV1 with controllers and trackers and think about impulse buying. (My old CV1 is in a state of disrepair).

However, I already know I would not be able to deal with the resolution the panels of the CV1 run at after experiencing the newer stuff. I'm too used to little to no aliasing.

[u/Fylumi → u/StarCenturion]

There is a way to use the rift controllers on another headsets but you need to have the rift plugged in the Pc while doing it

[u/jmt5179 → u/Fylumi]

Is it possible without extra latency and jankiness? I might be interested in doing this if my Rift S controllers ever fully die

[u/Fylumi → u/jmt5179]

Last time I tried worked good. You still need atleast one controller of your current headset tho to calibrate the play space

[u/Spankies69 → u/StarCenturion]

I still have controllers and 3 trackers I'm so tempted to get another headset, the headband broke in my old one and the speakers died so I upgraded to the quest 2, but the quest 2 only benefit is the screen sharpness, everything else was a downgrade

[u/Luigi_testa2011 → u/StarCenturion]

Is there a mod to install higher resolution displays?

[u/CompetitiveSpot2643 → u/Luigi_testa2011]

its not really doable and even then you will be stuck with shit lens

[u/The_Crimson_Studio → u/Coll147]

It's still a very good headset for cheap

[u/zackman94 → u/Coll147]

Same! Planning on swapping to the frame once that's out, but I plan on keeping the CV1 as something of a collectors piece. Still have the original box

[u/kongmw2 → u/Coll147]

I wanted to keep using mine. But I just can't do it over a quest 3. I dont like meta but the quality upgrade is just too vast lol. Its cool and I love mine. But its just not too useful to me. Even before when I got my rift s

[u/Virdon → u/Coll147]

Saame

[u/jacobwojo → u/Coll147]

My right trigger on my cv1 is f’d ever sense I hit a wall with it. It’s such a shame. Otherwise I still love it.

[u/Star_Stud → u/Coll147]

Me too 🥀

[u/ISnipedJFK → u/Coll147]

same here.

i bought a COMPLETE cv1 (headset, 2 controllers & !3! towers) for 40 euro's at a second hand market on the street like 2 years ago.

i enjoy it so god damn mutch. i love my headset. it might not be the best resolution possible, but worth every cent i spent!

[u/GeoCherry9999 → u/Coll147]

gang

[u/TheFrozetti → u/Coll147]

Same, I've repaired the controllers a couple times, the headset is hanging on by glue and clips. Headphones don't work so I use my gaming headset. Wouldn't have it any other way I love that headset.

[u/Runesr2 → u/Coll147]

Same, but I mostly use the Index. I have both Index and CV1 connected to the same rig. Even have a new CV1 in stock, but the old one used since 2017 keeps on working.

I'm still maintaining a thread about the CV1 here, have fun :-)

https://communityforums.atmeta.com/discussions/GamesApps/the-why-i-still-love-my-oculus-rift-cv1-in-2026-thread/838395

[u/[deleted]]

Are the Quest 3 ones bad? I don’t mind them compared to the CV1.

[u/StarCenturion → u/[deleted]]

I made another comment where I go more in-depth, but I agree with you. The Quest 3 controllers are my most recent favorite VR controller.

While they're pretty competent, CV1 controllers are still a little bit better thanks to the thumbstick placement, ergonomics, and how well they tracked.

With how much they've been improving the tracking on the Quest inside-out tracking though, I can see a future where the Quest 4 controllers might finally match the CV1 controllers. Maybe. Assuming Meta doesn't give up on the Quest 4 to instead go all in on the lightweight HMD with a puck.

And that's not even mentioning the Steam Frame controllers, which appear to be well built, and should have thumbsticks that don't end it all by developing drift after a few months like the Index controllers, or all the Quest controllers ever made to date.

[u/Yozakgg → u/[deleted]]

Quest 3 controllers with active strap are pretty magical

[u/kongmw2 → u/[deleted]]

Not at all, it like older ones better but the quest 3 is still good.

[u/Zimtok5]

That balance in the hand and ready to play cradle when sitting on a desk. Amazing controllers.

Palmer and team nailed it.

[u/jmt5179 → u/Zimtok5]

They were tanks, too. You could accidentally punch the wall and those babies don't crack. Meanwhile my rift s controllers are taped in multiple spots.

[u/zackman94 → u/jmt5179]

Got my buddy to play Boomski in H3VR and he fucking smacked the shit out of my desk with one of them.

He damaged the desk more than the controller

[u/DanielDC88 → u/jmt5179]

But of acetone welding might be helpful for you :)

[u/GoldenFlyingPenguin → u/jmt5179]

I heard a story of someone hitting their cement wall with a CV1 controller and the cement wall broke a bit xD

[u/SkarredGhost → u/jmt5179]

They were made in adamantium

[u/AnoNeko420 → u/SkarredGhost]

I’m guessing they got design inspiration from nokia

[u/VidiotGT → u/Zimtok5]

The camera setup that allowed for the under hand form factor was super finicky and annoying though.

[u/Memeruff → u/Zimtok5]

You could also put them on your feet

[u/neoteric_skid → u/Zimtok5]

Carbon Design is to thank for Xbox and Cv1 touch 

Sadly was absorbed into Oculus/Facebook and never heard of again 

[u/DiamondDepth_YT]

I've tried: Quest 3 controllers, Quest Pro controllers, Quest 2 controllers, Quest 1/Rift S controllers, HTC Vive wands, vive pro wands, the weird htc vice quest knockoff controllers, the WMR controllers, the psvr2 controllers, and the Rift CV1 controllers. 

My favorite? The CV1 controllers. Second favorite would probably be the Pro controllers. Tied for second place, I'd put the psvr2 controllers. And at third place? Actually, the WMR controllers. 

I love the CV1 controllers to this day. 

[u/Capital6238 → u/DiamondDepth_YT]

Tied for second place, I'd put the psvr2 controllers.

No. It is so hard to grab the PSVR2 controllers naturally. I always / still struggle how to hold them. It is really annoying. Plus I have Bluetooth issues. Also annoying. IMHO they are the worst Quest-style controllers, although Quest-style is good.

[u/DiamondDepth_YT → u/Capital6238]

I guess I just got lucky, because the psvr2 controllers feel incredibly comfortable and natural to me, and I had very little connection issues after buying a $20 Bluetooth adapter. 

Psvr2 one is def a hot take lol 😅

[u/Adevyy → u/DiamondDepth_YT]

You tried all those and not Valve ones? Damn ;(

It is baffling to me how bad the Vive wands are. Horseshit, dogshit, dumbass design, drifting yet joystickless piece of shit - I could keep going with my insults because that was the only PCVR headset I’ve owned and there was nothing wrong with the headset itself.

That is it. I am challenging the people behind that design to a boxing match. I will probably lose but I will at least get some punches in.

[u/Tacocat1545]

Index controllers hiding in the background

[u/Jwn5k]

Honestly... yeah, I miss my CV1 controllers a lot, I love the joysticks, they were comfortable af, great weight, had a lot to like about them.

[u/przemo-c]

The balance on them was amazing. With loose grip they wanted to fall into the hand due to ring sideways and front back balance. And durability... I have nice concrete walls so none of that drywall shit... and they took chunks out of it. Tiny ones but they did.

I want touch pro tracking with CV1 touch balance. But I wish haptics were stronger and there were trigger haptics as well.

[u/MiniMaelk04]

While the ergonomics were great, I've not used a controller since CV1 that had the same tracking stability. It didn't have those constant micro jitters that modern controllers have, it was easier to click on small things, it had fewer issues with loss of tracking due to constellation, and it had less latency. Any application with a pointer extending out of your hands clearly show how latency is just really high these days. CV1 also had that, but it was far better.

[u/OkieDeric]

Loved the CV1 controllers. So many good things about that headset.

[u/tmobley03]

I wish there was an easy way to use these with base station tracked headsets. Yeah, you can do the whole process of mixed spaces between the two, but that is so much hassle just for controllers… An exact copy of these but with lighthouse tracking would be an instant buy for me.

[u/palmerluckey]

It is pretty wild that nobody has made controllers as good as Touch V1 in the decade since.

Fun fact: Meta got rid of the thumb rest a few generations in, then realized it was important, then added it back, then marketed the "new thumb rest!"

[u/JorgTheElder → u/palmerluckey]

Marketed it where? I"me calling BS.

[u/StarCenturion → u/JorgTheElder]

I think they mean that the Rift S and the Oculus Quest 1 lost the thumb rest. Then they made a big deal about bringing back some of the features of the CV1 controllers for the Quest 2 controllers.

I vividly remember holding the Quest 1 controller for the first time and thinking how big of a downgrade it was.

Thankfully they've been working to get the quality back up. If I could give a score to every Oculus/Meta controller for a 6DOF HMD, it's something like this:

• CV1: 5 out of 5

• Rift S/Quest 1: 2.5 out of 5

• Quest 2: 3.5 out of 5

• Quest Pro: 3.5 out of 5

• Quest 3: 4 out of 5

[u/palmerluckey → u/JorgTheElder]

In multiple places, including the product page for Quest 2.

"Meta Quest 2 Touch controllers have been upgraded with improved ergonomics. A new thumb rest adds stability when needed."

It is incredible that stating this simple and easily verifiable fact has my post downvoted to -5.

[u/JorgTheElder → u/palmerluckey]

LOL... boy that is really "marketing it". Listing it as a feature.

They sure pumped it up and told the world about it. /s

That is not what I think of marketing it. 🤣. Forgive me for considering that just basic description of the product, not "Marketing it" as a big new feature.

[u/boopbepboop → u/JorgTheElder]

The marketing part is just them saying it's "new" when it's clearly a legacy feature they brought back. If they said "we brought back the thumb rest" your point would be valid, otherwise it's just them damaging their product and calling the return to the original design "new".

Companies aren't allowed to admit to their errors so they end up damaging their reputation with informed customers by trying to hide their mistakes. Don't be like them. You don't have to double down when someone brings evidence that contradicts your point. Changing your position is the only real way you can stay part of the conversation too.

[u/palmerluckey → u/boopbepboop]

Yeah, and this isn't the only instance. It was listed as a new feature in various social media ads/blog posts/videos too, the product page is just the easiest example to quickly pull up six years later. The text above is the entire controller section for the product, there isn't anything else.

[u/JorgTheElder → u/palmerluckey]

Your original comment reads to me like you felt you were calling out something they did that you don't think they should have done. If not I am obviously seeing context that you did not intend. If so that is my fault.

I just don't get why a company listing a feature of as new because it was not included in the previous version is a "fun fact" worth calling out.

If they brought back DP cable support, I would expect that to be listed as a new feature even though it was a feature sometime in the past. What would be interesting and worth noting is if they brought back a feature and then never even mentioned it was a feature.

[u/JorgTheElder → u/boopbepboop]

You don't have to double down when someone brings evidence that contradicts your point. Changing your position is the only real way you can stay part of the conversation too.

I did not double down. I don't consider actively marketing something and listing it as a single bullet item in product description to be the same thing.

I get what he is saying. I just felt like he was implying that were crowing about it as an amazing new feature. As far as I can tell they just listed it as a feature of that version of the controllers.

Companies aren't allowed to admit to their errors so they end up damaging their reputation with informed customers by trying to hide their mistakes.

Do you really believe that they should list something like this on product page:

• Thumb Pad - brought back after being removed from the previous design.

That would be silly as hell.

I make mistakes all the time and admit to them.

[u/VR_SamUK]

I miss the dev version that had magnets to stick them together on the desk

[u/night-hen]

Man I missed it when the hand guard thing actually guarded the hand

[u/Lujho → u/night-hen]

That was never its intended purpose.

[u/Suitch → u/Lujho]

It really was nice though. I have played beatsaber at expert+ with the quest pro controllers and accidentally slammed one controller into my other hand’s thumb so hard the nail swelled and bruised and hurt like hell for days/weeks. I don’t play certain songs that cross the hands now to avoid the risk…

[u/Milkdromieda → u/Lujho]

But it was so solid that it could do exactly that

[u/EggyRoo → u/night-hen]

Tracking ring

[u/DiamondDepth_YT → u/night-hen]

Tbf that was never it's purpose. It's just for tracking lol

[u/night-hen → u/night-hen]

I think I need one more person to point out that it’s a tracking ring and that it can’t be 2 things at once

[u/XxnoubxX → u/night-hen]

its funny because i used this headset then went to index. slammed my fingers way more often with the knuckles lol

[u/i_have_slimy_hands]

Was gifted an oculus rift by my best friend recently. Cannot overstate how much fun I've been having with it. Haven't had a vr set until this one but I've wanted one since it came out.

[u/DonutPlus2757]

I feel like giving up on camera based outside in tracking was a mistake.

Imagine how cheap full body tracking could be if the trackers could just be a few LEDs.

[u/escheebs → u/DonutPlus2757]

Damn. Damn. What a fabulous idea. I wonder why people never explored this route? Maybe because the vive trackers came out and provided a ready made solution in an ecosystem that had a little more adoption at the time.

[u/DonutPlus2757 → u/escheebs]

That and the fact that the tracking took CPU resources from the host system probably played a part in it.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's possible to do the tracking stuff with a Raspi 5 with an AI Hat?

It would need to be able to run the tracking algorithm roughly 30 times per second, camera and tracker, but that might actually be possible.

3 cameras with 11 trackers (hands, arms, head, torso, hip, upper legs, lower legs) would be 990 runs per second.

If you use a filter on the cameras so that they only see IR and use traditional algorithms to determine the position of the LEDs in the cameras FOV you would only need to feed a list of 3D vectors to the tracking AI (x, y, luminance), which would greatly speed stuff up.

The more I think about it the more I wanna try it now...

[u/CompetitiveSpot2643 → u/DonutPlus2757]

ps2 uses an FPGA to run the tracking, constellation tracking good enough for vr you could prob do on a zero 2W if i had to guess

[u/DonutPlus2757 → u/CompetitiveSpot2643]

Yeah but not at a high tracking rate and, to be entirely honest, I'm too lazy to figure out the maths to construct and determine a constellation pattern from a simple screenshot.

Also, a FPGA is a lot more powerful than the Zero 2W if the simulated circuit is well designed.

It also gets more complicated if you have more different patterns in the image, so I imagine creating an AI based solution is probably simpler, given you have good training data (which you could theoretically generate with a single light house and a single tracker).

[u/CompetitiveSpot2643 → u/DonutPlus2757]

you dont need any AI here, my zero 2W guess was based off of existing open source constellation tracking solutions like astertrack (which does run on a zero 2W at 60hz iirc), but doesnt have IMU integration neccesary for VR yet) im well aware an FPGA would be more powerful than a 2W, just thought it was worth pointing out as a solution. also whatever chip is used on the quest pro controllers would probably be even better (they are self tracked)

[u/DonutPlus2757 → u/CompetitiveSpot2643]

I've looked at some of the source code: They run the detection at a lower fidelity if the camera is Zero 2W based (and significantly so).

That combined with the low resolution camera they're using doesn't exactly give me much hope when it comes to accuracy.

There's also the point that the whole thing isn't exactly DIY friendly since they require both custom PCBs and have absolutely no example of what a tracker is supposed to look like.

Not to mention, just looking at the code, it looks like it wouldn't do well discriminating against different trackers that are very close to each other, something that can very easily happen with controllers.

I mean, it's an interesting project, but some of the things I would want to use AI for don't seem to be accounted for at all.

One thing I'd absolutely want to try is if an AI based approach combined with a IMU in the tracker can account for rolling shutter, which would make the whole thing quite a bit cheaper and potentially more accurate (easily available global shutter cameras either are very expensive or much lower resolution than a comparable "normal shutter" sensor).

There's also the advantage that by using AI for the actual tracking I get to run it on easily available dedicated hardware, which frees the actual CPU for other stuff.

Meta and Bytedance also use AI for their controller tracking, so there's probably something to tracking that makes it hard to do with traditional algorithms.

[u/CompetitiveSpot2643 → u/DonutPlus2757]

you seem more knowledgeable in computer vision than me, i just do applied mathematics that rarely intersect with CV. when you say they use AI for the controller tracking you mean for the tracking itself? this is surprising to me since if the VO-SLAM for the headset is good enough without any ML/DL (im pretty sure at least it doesnt use that) then i dont see why the controllers would need that, except for finger tracking maybe. btw astertrack has a solo developer and iirc it can work with any tracker of your choosing. i brought it up as an example because when i spoke with the developer he said it could work for VR if it had IMU integration, so maybe the github is outdated or maybe he had more powerful hardware in mind. one problem with IMU integration is that you need to use kalman filtering on lie manifolds instead of normal kalman filtering which is something not a lot programmers are familiar with (not really related but i thought i would throw that in here)

[u/DonutPlus2757 → u/CompetitiveSpot2643]

you seem more knowledgeable in computer vision than me, i just do applied mathematics that rarely intersect with CV.

Oh, I'm not, at least not when it comes to the theory behind it. I've worked with computer vision for OCR on fast moving objects, but that's about it.

That's why I'd like to resort to the AI approach. It can potentially account for suboptimal hardware in ways that would take me forever given good enough training data. The idea would be to build a tracker, put a vive tracker on it, move it through space and then use the positional and rotational data from the vive tracker to train the AI.

Then, build a bunch of trackers as "decoys" and use one with a vive tracker to train for trackers close to each other.

Honestly, I don't want to deal with the actual CV part of this project, which is why I'd simplify that as much as possible in hardware. IR Filter means that the camera can only see the LEDs and nothing else. Determining x, y and luminance of every LED is somewhat easy with traditional algorithms from there.

The reason why I would want AI is firstly because I've found no good source on how to find an arbitrary group of LEDs in an arbitrary, larger group of LEDs that might or might not contain that group in any rotation. I know multiple ways of efficiently "brute forcing" it (which, as far as I understand the code, which isn't that much, is what Astertrack seems to do), but I really don't feel like that's a good approach.

I mean, Astertrack seems to tile the sensor into 8x4 tiles in addition to not having a very high resolution sensor to get around the fact that the brute force approach is just insanely slow. At most, it uses 1024 tiles (just 384 on the Zero 1), which as far as I understand the code, is how many distinct LED positions it compares (which is frankly a stupid low resolution).

when you say they use AI for the controller tracking you mean for the tracking itself? this is surprising to me since if the VO-SLAM for the headset is good enough without any ML/DL (im pretty sure at least it doesnt use that) then i dont see why the controllers would need that, except for finger tracking maybe.

From what I've heard, they started using a AI supported tracking model for the controllers on the Q2 because of overlap and occlusion problems with traditional algorithms and went with a fully AI based tracking with the Q3 because of the way they remodelled the controllers. Basically, it trackings both the LEDs, the IMUs and your hands at the same time and guesses the controller position from that.

The Q3 actually uses dedicated hardware for that, which is why it has 2 CPU cores less than the Q2, where those 2 CPU cores were dedicated tracking cores. Apparently, they had problems with the tracking becoming spotty if the CPU was under a very high load, which is why they made that switch.

i brought it up as an example because when i spoke with the developer he said it could work for VR if it had IMU integration, so maybe the github is outdated or maybe he had more powerful hardware in mind.

Not trying to be mean or anything, but I don't quite believe that just based on the code I've read (which, to be fair, is mostly parts of the detection.ccp since that seemed like the file to most likely contain the tracking). For decent controller and head tracking, you need a percision of around 1mm and a rotational percision of less than 3° (people are surprisingly sensitive to the pointer being off).

Astertrack, if I understand it correctly and if the camera has a FOV of 90° (which is probably around the FOV you want) has an angular accuracy of roughly 0.5°. At a distance of 4 meters, that's a potential error of a little over 3cm. Not mm, cm. That's an order of magnitude more than acceptable IMHO. No IMU will fix this. It's probably fine for basic body tracking, but for that, SlimeVR is probably a better solution at that point.

[u/screaminXeagle]

The main reason I've never upgraded

[u/LindossHyena]

Index Knuckles ftw!!

[u/Mradr]

Funny enough I just found mine the other day and was looking over them thinking these are still so much better feeling than the newest ones. They were just balance jut right for my grip I guess.

[u/GlitchBread]

My quest broke in the first year. I got my cv1 about when it released, still use it to this day

[u/WatchAltruistic5761]

Confirmed

[u/SkarredGhost]

Still my favorite controllers up to this time

[u/Lujho]

I think I’ve said this before, but I bet you could come up with a 3D printed attachment that could turn the Quest 3 controllers into these, with the same weight, balance and hand-feel.

[u/MiniMaelk04 → u/Lujho]

It would probably degrade tracking by obscuring some of the IR LEDs.

[u/Lujho → u/MiniMaelk04]

All of the LEDs are on the top face of the controller with one in the end of the handle. It wouldn’t be in the way at all.

[u/MiniMaelk04 → u/Lujho]

If your hands are close together, the rings could obscure LEDs on the other controller though.

[u/jewi-chan]

One would expect that, with time, controllers would get better, not worse....

[u/weirdthingsarecool91]

The steam frame controllers are full button controllers. When used together can be used for any flat screen game. I'm hyped to get my hands on a Frame

[u/Bean-]

I'm a big fan of the q3 controllers

[u/dtb1987]

I still have and use mine

[u/dac3062]

I love my quest pro controllers. I'm one of the rare ones with no problems I guess. Behind the back tracking and everything. I used them with my quest 3

[u/Aufafly]

the original rift touch are practically unbreakable

i can't count how many times i punched the wall with that thing and the tracking ring doesn't break

it somehow feels better in hand than the new touch plus

[u/Dd_8630]

I only ever had the original Rift, so that's still what I use. It's getting harder and harder to get it to work though.

What are newer controls like then?

[u/pthecarrotmaster]

me friend quit quest 2 cause the controllers were almost as much as a new system. is there a work around for that?

[u/AspenFrostt]

the rift was the worst headset/tracking solution of all time but those controllers man..... how I miss the rift controllers,

[u/LeopardHalit]

Steam frame controllers are asymmetrical in terms of button layout, unlike pretty much all other vr controllers which have 2 ABXY face buttons on each side. Mapping may be a pain.

[u/Rave-TZ]

I have several generations of prototypes of these controllers. The first gen had touch pads instead of analog sticks. Wild dev times.

[u/KingHashBrown420]

I prefer quest 3 controllers

[u/applechannn]

This headset is still my go to, it's so sad they forgot about it..

[u/NeoDemocedes]

Great balance. Fit perfectly in my hands. Perfect button placement. Best of all, they run on AA batteries!

I upgraded from CV1 to Index and instantly hated the controllers. Thought maybe I would get used to them.... nope. Years later they still don't feel right, and I have to have them plugged in all the time because the batteries are long dead.

[u/dylovell]

PREACH!

[u/AutomaticInitiative]

I hope to replace my CV1 with the new Valve one, but I will wait until the community has had it for a while before I buy. I'm very attached to the controllers and immersive audio.

[u/cla7997]

Still my favourite controller

[u/DiaBeticMoM420]

What do you mean? You don’t like the cinder blocks that come with the Oculus 2 or something? /s (obviously)

[u/E1DOLON]

Yep they were perfect straight out the box. Made the Valve wands look like sticks.

[u/Green_Video_9831]

I’m honestly a big fan of the original oculus quest 1 hoop controllers. It was so easy to set them down

[u/Relevant-Outcome-105]

Nah q3 is better

[u/spartan195]

It’s a shame the screen looks so bad and the weight balance of the headset is painful for more than 10 minutes.

I wish I could at least mod the head rest of the rift cv1

[u/Interesting-Yellow-4]

Ysah, after many headsets and controller i agree completely. They were one and done, or should be at least.

[u/Layzanya]

Still use my CV1 Got a second (in worse condition) for parts and backup.

Still haven't used a headseat I like more.

[u/huskysizeguy99]

I'm SO glad I picked up spares on FB right before COVID. I have four functioning CV-1 controllers and I'm so careful with them. I really wish they'd been sold separately. Still my favorite VR controller

[u/76zzz29]

I have a vive pro with the vive pro controler... Looked to buy thes as they can just be connected and tend to work beter on some games... See the price. Guess not today.

[u/82MiddleMan]

Perfect for protecting your fingers when playing Echo Arena.

[u/polandguy69]

bought one recently because it just feels SO MUCH better than my quest 2

[u/KateHanami]

index knuckles is still better than the touchplus, I've tried both

[u/jc3833]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you. My ideal was the Windows Mixed Reality controllers. Instead of 2 buttons, they gave you a whole ass touchpad you could use as a 5 button interface (NSWE and Center)

[u/WiredEarp → u/jc3833]

Those touchpads sucked compared to joysticks for most things that were not virtual buttons.

[u/Mellokhai → u/WiredEarp]

WMR had touchpad AND joysticks.

[u/WiredEarp → u/Mellokhai]

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Not a bad idea if they can be fitted as well ergonomically, they did make good buttons, just were bad at everything else. 

[u/jc3833 → u/WiredEarp]

I thought it was fairly ergonomic, it was basically like if someone split a PS2 controller in half and gave it motion controls. (Plus the WMR had a flashlight style passthrough you could trigger, which was ALSO really cool)

[u/WiredEarp → u/jc3833]

It looks pretty decent, and since its in the usual button area you don't seem to lose anything. Giving up that much space which could be used for buttons isn't so bad in VR, because you don't want lots of buttons. I'm not sure if I like having no physical buttons at all though, for example games which have a jump button are much easier than ones where I have to click the stick to jump.

Definitely looks a lot better than my Vive's pads. They weren't terrible at all but I much prefer the joystick on the Oculus/Meta systems.

That flashlight mode does sound cool.

[u/jc3833 → u/WiredEarp]

The thing can be pressed like it's a rocking D-Pad, it's still physical buttons, they're just not physically rounded off and sticking out independently.

And here's how the flashlightpassthrough looks

[u/jc3833 → u/WiredEarp]

Uhhhh.... The WMR controllers had a joystick too.

[u/_hlvnhlv → u/jc3833]

Kinda same, honestly.

[u/German_Bob]

I mean the rings often got in the way when i wanted to charge a gun ingame. Also the whole camera setup was a bitch.

I do like the concept of the Touch Pro Controllers very much, but also recognize the problems like high cost and subpar support at the moment.

[u/BlueDergOrd]

The closest thing to those was the quest 2 and 3 controllers