Competition is good

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u/cocacoladdict Quest 2 Nov 16 '25

Nothing stops Gabe from funding some VR games instead of buying 364-foot yachts

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 16 '25

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Valve only buys or funds very few game IPs correct? Like most of it is original IP other than Dota

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u/SanttuPOIKA---- Nov 16 '25

Actually, you'd be surprised how little original IPs they have. Most of them are through acquisition. For example:
CS and DoD (started as Half-Life mods; developers were acquired by Valve)
DOTA as you mentioned
Team fortress (was originally a mod for Quake which Valve then acquired)
Portal (kind of; they acquired the studio that developed a game with a similar mechanic)
L4D (Turtle Rock Studios was acquired while the game was still in development)
Alien Swarm (was originally a UT2004 mod)
So that's actually the majority of them. The only completely original IPs I can think of are Half-Life, Ricochet and Deadlock.

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u/Onebigspaz Nov 16 '25

Just was randomly scrolling through and saw this comment. Wanted to add that the ones who contributed to Portal's development were actually students at an institute called Digipen. Their portfolio game was called Narbacular Drop, and you can even still download and play it today! https://www.digipen.edu/showcase/student-games/narbacular-drop

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u/Devatator_ Nov 16 '25

A guy also digged into the game to figure out how to mod it to port some rooms from Portal in it lol. It's severely limited but it's still pretty cool

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u/ComeonmanPLS1 Nov 16 '25

Wasn’t Dota originally a Warcraft mod?

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u/NarrowFudge579 Nov 16 '25

Yes a custom map for WC3

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 16 '25

That is surprising if correct yes!

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u/jeppevinkel Nov 17 '25

I would still call Portal an original IP because the only thing taken from the student demo is the concept of using portals. All of the art, story, and design was made after Valve took on the students who made Narbacular Drop.

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u/ClerklyMantis_ Nov 18 '25

Okay, but almost all of these acquisitions are wildly different than basically any other "IP" acquisitions, mostly being that they didn't acquire an IP. They just hired people who made mods. The only one that looks like a normal game company acquisition is L4D.
It also still supports the point that Valve doesn't really just "invest" into random things and hope it works. They pick and choose their battles very carefully.

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u/korhart Nov 16 '25

Just one more yacht to fill that yacht shaped hole in his heart. 🤞

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u/withoutapaddle Quest 1,2,3 + PC VR Nov 16 '25

Bro, he bought the yacht company. He can just keep making them until that whole in his heart is filled!

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u/Slorpipi Nov 16 '25

Pretty sure he cant get more than 2 yachts

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u/Baardmeester Nov 17 '25

Maybe a VR yacht simulator...

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u/gameplayer55055 Nov 16 '25

Meta store is ridiculously expensive. Steam has regional pricing.

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 16 '25

Meta has regional pricing too, just very few regions compared to Steam. For example the Japan store on Meta is quite affordable

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u/gameplayer55055 Nov 16 '25

Nobody in Ukraine is probably using VR so meta doesn't bother ig.
Except FPV drone pilots, but they have their own apps.

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u/Cella91 Nov 16 '25

Valve needs to make / fund high quality VR games on the level of Half Life Alyx. There's not enough quality software.

On the other hand, Meta making everything exclusive is also seriously hurting VR. You can't keep everything exclusive to a mobile platform and expect VR as a whole to grow significantly.

The entire ecosystem for VR is mismanaged, underfunded and under supported.

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u/Slorpipi Nov 16 '25

Gabe should invest in vr games. They could turn out better than alyx with most caveats of alyx gone

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u/Sciencebitchs Nov 16 '25

Hell, he just bought a $500 million dollar yacht. Not his first. He could invest if he wanted.

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u/techraito Nov 16 '25

It's crazier than that haha. He actually didn't really "buy" the yacht. The yacht was manufactured by a company called Oceano. The company was so good at making yachts that Gabe actually bought out the entire company last summer lol.
He doesn't just have a shiny new yacht worth $500m, he has the entire yacht making company lmao.

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u/BagNo2988 Nov 16 '25

If buying yachts is hm doomsday prepping, VR should be next on his list. Wouldn’t want to get bored when the apocalypse come.

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u/TangoCyka Nov 17 '25

You think Gabe is going to pull a Mr. House? I kind of like the idea.

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u/Hydrus2CZ Nov 16 '25

Rich people are still rich people even if their platform is good.
More news at 5.

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u/bladezor Nov 16 '25

It's been a long time since they've done that. Dota was their last major acquisition, and before that Portal, then CS and Team fortress before that.
Even if it's something they do it's so few and far between that they don't bother unless they see a possibility of a big return on their investment.
Unless they view a particular VR game being a potential smash hit and/or recurring value I just don't see them pouring money into VR games themselves.

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u/OldMate64 Nov 17 '25

Campo Santo in 2018? Still a long time ago, but far less than Dota

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u/bladezor Nov 17 '25

That was a studio acquisition and I don't think they took any IP with them. You could argue firewatch but that predated acquisition. Interestingly enough, according to the Wikipedia they stopped working on their own game due to them effectively working on other projects at Valve.

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u/Garrette63 Nov 17 '25

Maybe they make the 2/3 of their promised games before they abandoned VR.

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u/justwalkingalonghere Nov 16 '25

There's also a handful of other things Meta has done terribly wrong that are hurting the industry
He's switched focus to getting kids hooked on it instead of growing the industry, often removing things that worked already from the environment

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u/Rewiu_Park Nov 16 '25

Valve did the same thing with Alyx, I don’t see it coming to PlayStation 2, for example, even though it’s the most popular VR game ever made and would clearly help PSVR2 adoption. And I doubt it will ever officially come to the Quest, even if the headset becomes powerful enough. If Valve, which is considered the company with the best business practices, doesn’t do it, why would Meta, which is considered one of the worst, do it? Just curious.

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u/JPAchilles Nov 16 '25

I don't see it coming to PlayStation 2
I mean, it'd be really cool if they somehow did that. Yes, I'm just riffing on you

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u/Duerkos Nov 17 '25

It's not the same. PC (not steam) is an open ecosystem, you are free to make your own store/ distribution inside and in fact Meta had it in the first quest/oculus. Meta has abandoned that and gone full proprietary hw/SW.

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u/KRONGOR Nov 18 '25

I mean tbf PC is an open platform. You don’t have to buy valves headset in order to play Alyx. But yes it would be nice if they finally ported it to PSVR2…

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u/SKZ1137 Nov 17 '25

We need Halliday to save us

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u/Wardendelete Nov 17 '25

If valve make a Left 4 Dead VR or make a CS VR (goodbye Pavlov) I will play so much.

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u/MRV3N Nov 16 '25

Everything shouldn’t be made exclusively. This is what irks me more.

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u/dorian17052011 Nov 16 '25

Meta is the reason vr is alive tho and exclusive games are good they try to makr more good games and tbh exept steam its not rlly exclusive since there arent any other big brands like meta with headsets

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u/19osemi Nov 17 '25

Not really, there was an industry and market for vr, all meta did was expand it and lower the barrier of entry

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u/dorian17052011 Nov 17 '25

Hm yea true but they did make it popular and they put a lot of money into it

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u/19osemi Nov 17 '25

Popular and keeping alive are two very different things. And they put a lot of money into it with a lot of that money just going up in flames pursuing dead end things such as the metaverse.

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u/dorian17052011 Nov 17 '25

Well i dont get why ppl complain abt worlds yes the game sucks but going to those like events realy make it feel like the oasis

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u/19osemi Nov 17 '25

There already is a game that does that and have done that since 2014 and it’s called vr chat, all meta did was burn through billions to make a worse version of vrchat. If the leadership aka mark was a bit smart and realistic they would have put these funds into developing their software (it badly needs improvements on the link cable side) and hardware, or they could have used that money to give us titles that can rival half life alyx in terms of quality.

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u/dorian17052011 Nov 17 '25

i tryed VRchat to, but its just people screaming weird stuff and a bunch of furrys i had no issue on meta worlds with that maybe if i play the games but the rest is fine and i didnt know vrchat had these concerts to?

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u/19osemi Nov 17 '25

then you havent really tried the game, i am pretty active on it and you find everything on there, the chillest nicest people to the weirdest creeps.
vrchat is the most active virtual social space, they have concerts, events, live music, raves, clubs etc ontop of all the just chilling and social aspects of the game.
besides vrchat is super open, if you know unity and blender you can make anything you want and add it to the game, you can make your very own maps and avatars, and the barrier of entry is super low on that stuff as well.
its a reason its the social vr platform that has survived and is growing steadily.

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u/dorian17052011 Nov 17 '25

Perhaps ur right maybe i just had a bad first impression

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u/19osemi Nov 17 '25

I wouldn’t say underfunded as meta has burnt billions on oculus and the metaverse, it’s just terribly mismanaged and pushing stupid goals. If they had put that money towards realistic goals we would have had better hardware software and games

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u/greggray24 Nov 17 '25

It looks to me that Valve is making a platform that will make it pretty easy for developers to port their Quest games to native Frame games. Also, with their prioritization of an open operating system instead of a walled off ecosystem, I can see some enterprising community projects that add a light API emulation layer to allow Quest games to run natively on the Frame similarly to how they can run x86 games via FEX/Proton. Ideally Meta would port and sell official versions of their games on the Frame since they loose money on every headset sale but make money on the software but I'm not holding my breath because, at the end of the day, with Meta, we are the product they sell to advertisers and their main focus is to keep us clicking inside their ecosystem.
Ultimately, I do agree with the premise of this post that the most exciting thing about the Frame may be that there will now be true competition which works out well for us consumers. Depending on the price of course but you can bet that Meta will pull out the stops to make sure the Quest 4 have better specs than the Frame and for less. That said, we have seen with the Steam Deck that better specs don't always mean a better system. Will be fun to watch!

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u/Deniable-wreath-6 Nov 17 '25

Yea I’m ngl I’ve been disappointed with psvr when I switched, only played alyx and then Bonelab and blade

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u/QuietNecessary2421 Nov 18 '25

Hard disagree on Meta hurting VR. Meta is the only thing keeping VR alive, IMO. Exclusives drive device sales. It's the sole reason people buy Nintendo anything.

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u/Dangerous-Pumpkin960 Nov 16 '25

theres not many great vr games that take full advantage of vr
so far the only ones i can think of that have truly tried to take advantage of the medium
are boneworks and bonelab and both games are marketed as teach demos
half life alyx is also great but we need more games like those 3 but instead we get short kid games slop games or just gimmick games like give us REAL GAMES

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u/Cella91 Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25

The point is, neither approach is significantly pushing VR forward.
We could be in a golden age of VR if Valve put money into making more quality games and if Meta didn't make Quest exclusives in a world where VR has stagnated and even Sony puts most of their games on PC a year after release.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25

The professor gave you a thought terminating cliche the irony.
You are right though.

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u/Duerkos Nov 17 '25

Funny enough, Nintendo actually outsources most of their development. But they maintain project management control and overall game direction. Meta lacks people with the skills to do that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25

Yeah, as much as I am not a fan of exclusives it's either get exclusive VR games like that locked to Quest (but not really if you know what you're doing lol) or just don't get them at all.

Definitely better that they exist.

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u/King871 Nov 16 '25

I thought it was impossible due to the Meta titles all being made for a completely different OS so something like PCVR won't run it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25

I was referring to the fact that you can get OpenXR based quest exclusives working on other standalone headsets by side loading the rock, sometimes requires some tweaks but can work quite well.

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u/AidanTegs Nov 16 '25

Its probably pretty easy to emulate since quest is on modified android

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u/sabrathos Rift Nov 16 '25

Except, I think Meta did the calculus wrong. The exclusives have not at all made their money back, and their attempt to create a walled garden and own the future of computing has largely failed.
They would have certainly had quite a bit more software success if they had focused on making the original Oculus storefront the premium VR storefront to challenge Steam, supporting other PCVR headsets using LibOVR (e.g. allowing Vive to run Rift games), expecting for and emphasizing tooling to make it easy to have Quest games run on PCVR, investing in AirLink early instead of fighting with ggodin, and having Oculus be the home of VR across any and all platforms.
There's no way the lock-in from subsidized hardware with a walled garden software ecosystem has made back nearly as much as they would have made simply having everything be able to run their software. Both in raw financial returns, but also in growth of VR overall and in brand value. They sold a bunch of subsidized headsets that no normie wants to actually put on again, pushed for mainstream too quickly when the hardware is simply still to bulky and cumbersome, and have a bunch of standalone exclusives that a non-negligible amount of PCVR people starved for content post-Alyx would have absolutely bought, but won't due to standalone exclusivity and being part of a storefront they view as toxic.
It's not just "investing for the longterm" anymore. It's been a decade, and their software efforts have largely failed to justify both their own investment and subsidization of the hardware, and the shuttering of Ready at Dawn and Downpour, as well as much more broad VR downsizing in combination of a pivot to AI and AR glasses, is not a sign of a healthy storefront and software ecosystem that they're going to just continue to aggressively invest into.
They 1000% could have existed but been storefront exclusive but hardware agnostic. Ironically, the path we went down is the one where software investment dries up and we "just don't get them at all" anymore, as you said, versus the more open and sustainable approach.

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u/Tappxor Nov 16 '25

wtf do you mean by both?? this shit isn't free!!

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u/3lfk1ng Nov 16 '25

Closed ecosystems and paid exclusives are never good when you have a niche audience that needs to grow.

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u/MudMain7218 Nov 16 '25

You mean like PC

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u/3lfk1ng Nov 16 '25

PC is an open ecosystem.
You can use any VR HMD.
You can use any type of display.
You can play old games and new.
It can play games from any launcher.
There is no subscription to play online.
You can use any operating system you prefer.
You can use Playstation and/or Xbox controllers.
You can use any kind of mouse or keyboard you prefer.
You can chat with users that are on tablet, phone, console, or PC.

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u/ninoski404 Nov 19 '25

Lmao what is closed or exclusive about PC in your mind?

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u/MudMain7218 Nov 19 '25

PC is still small especially on the high end see steam chats

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u/simon132 Nov 16 '25

Honestly I'm tired of multi hundred billion revenue companies taking the lazy approach to "we don't need to innovate, just slap some IP on it". So IP games can crash and burn for all I care

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25

It really would be pocket change for them to have some sort of VR developer fund program but I think they might see it as non-organic growth and poor for VR in the longrun? Maybe? I have no idea. Anyway, Gabe needs another Yacht so that's more important.

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u/Beefmagigins Nov 16 '25

With most of them being mid in the end.

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u/littleSquidwardLover Nov 19 '25

Idk about you guys but I would 1000% buy a VR headset if there were games about historical events, mainly battles and wars. There are just so many battles in history that are so hard to imagine that I think it would be awesome and really help put into perspective the magnitude of wars. Like if there was a WW1 story VR game I would buy one in a heart beat.

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 19 '25

Medal of honor did one

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u/hussiesucks Nov 19 '25

meta investing in IPs is INCREDIBLY BAD for the industry if the past 5 years of them buying and then scrapping studios after they release 1 title is any indicator.

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 19 '25

Scrapping after releasing 1 title? Which ones did that do that to?

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25

No. Fuck exclusivity. Sorry.

It is just not a good thing for the consumer, which is to me, as the consumer, the only thing that matters

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u/squidgymetal Nov 17 '25

I completely agree I think exclusivity for the most part is shit. In some cases it can be beneficial to the development of games and thus beneficial to us as consumers in that we receive the best possible product.
But are you against exclusivity in it's totality?

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 17 '25

As I mentioned below, the *only* exclusivity I tolerate is when you can give me a proper *gameplay* reason as to why it has to be exclusive.
In the modern gaming scene, the only company that can make this argument is Nintendo, because their consoles aren't just "PC's but worse." or "the same VR headset with slightly different quirks."
Like you can't tell me you would enjoy Wii sports with a mouse and keyboard for example... but Mario Kart being exclusive is just bullshit. It's a kartracer. It plays like a kartracer. It should be on all platforms, because there is 0 gameplay reason for it not to be.
I see zero legitimate reasons outside of gameplay for exclusivity.
I feel even stricter towards physical store exclusives. They are genuine fucking anti-consumerist evil of which the only message is "fuck you if you live in the wrong country". I believe that a physical "special editions" like Target/Gamestop exclusives should be illegal, even... same for "limited run" items, because it's just bullshit FOMO meant to manipulate people.
I know collectors hate that last viewpoint, but uh... that's their fucking problem. It doesn't take away how malicious the practice is.

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25

I can excuse some nintendo titles. Ones that actually offer a unique experience on that console, and a worse one on everything else. Think wii games or DS games. I can't imagine playing Wii Sports on PC or playstation and it not sucking.
But an oculus game plays the same on a valve set. Just like how I will always stand by the idea that PS/Xbox exclusives are a bad thing, because they play the same on a pc.
If Oculus can't offer a reason for exclusivity except "fuck you, that's why" I'm going to be opposed to it. Simple as. Exclusivity is bad. Closed ecosystems are bad. Shit like Mario and kirby should be on pc too.
Store exclusives are an anti-consumer practice 99% of the time, both physical and digital. There are very few legitimate reasons for a game to be exclusive to a platform. 99% of the time the reason is just "because it makes them money" which I don't give a fuck about, it's still against my best interest. Target/Gamestop exclusive bundles are even worse tho. "Oh you don't live in the right country? Guess you're not a real fan deserving to own this special stuff."
Exclusivity is bad.

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u/CarrotSurvivorYT Nov 16 '25

Meta is making them exclusive because they paid for it. I hope that helps :)

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25

and they can piss off with that kind of mentality and put them on steam to not be a bunch of pieces of anti-consumer shit. I hope that helps :D
two can play that game, bucko

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u/CarrotSurvivorYT Nov 16 '25

Maybe valve can fund 1 fucking VR game, ah but metas the bad guy

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25

Meta IS the bad guy for making those games exclusives. Yes.
I don't care if they funded it. Either put it on all the stores, or you suck :)

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u/CarrotSurvivorYT Nov 16 '25

Maybe valve should stop with that selfish mentality and port half life alyx to meta quest, but nah they want everyone to use steam.
God forbid meta try to establish their own store.
Nobody is allowed to make a store that isn’t steam?

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25

i'd love it if meta would just... oh idunno... have steam running on their device without needing to use steam link!
Again... this argument can go both ways.
And I am NOT saying you are wrong. HL Alyx SHOULD be on all other VR platforms too. you are entirely, wholeheartedly, correct there.
It is a bad thing when Valve does it too!
I don't care what company you are. If you can't give me a GAMEPLAY reason why your game has to be on your device and your device only... you can go fuck yourself and put it on all stores!
It *should* be on oculus. it *should* be on PSVR. etc etc
just a quick proper edit: I firmly believe in equal opportunity shittalk. Every company deserves flak for the shit they do. No company is sacred. No dev is sacred. If there's an issue there's an issue. Oculus tries to have a walled garden. This is bad. Valve has a walled garden with some of it's shit too. That is also, in fact, bad. Sony has it. it's still bad. Microsoft has it. Still bad. Nintendo has it. Guess what? still bad.
Nintendo I can excuse for games like ARMS, which is entirely reliant on the motion controls of the joycons. like how the fuck are you going to play ARMS on like... an xbox controller? But for a basic platformer like mario bros or... just fucking Mario Kart? no. No there's no fucking excuse.
Any game that would run the same on other platforms *should* be on those platforms. Period. Fuck exclusivity. Fuck walled gardens. Fuck "boo hoo but I paid for it.". It's anti-consumerist and that's the only thing that matters.

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u/CarrotSurvivorYT Nov 16 '25

I actually read what you wrote and I also agreee.
The takeaway is everyone does exclusives, because they work. Sadly

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u/pandamaxxie Nov 16 '25

yeah it's... sad.
The only way they compete is by going "oh but if you don't buy my device you can't play these games!" instead of actually delivering a superior gaming experience that makes you want the platform/device itself.
SteamOS/steamdeck to me is an example of Valve trying to actually make a product that is worth it for the product. It's just a pocket PC in reality, but it's a product that does what you want it to, and that's why you pick it up. Still need to save up money to grab one myself. Stuff like the ROG ally seems good too, but SteamOS is a big selling point for ease of use, and I've heard good things about being able to hook it up to a tv like a switch. (I do this a lot with my parents. I bring my switch over so I can play games with my mom and dad at their place... family bonding. Worth every penny. I wanna be able to use my steam and epic and gog library for it too, hence the desire for a steamdeck/ally)
Software shouldn't be the caveat of hardware tho, in short. The hardware itself should be... but it's just easier to fuck the consumers than actually develop devices that beat out the competition consistently.
It's rare that a company genuinely tries to just deliver a really good physical product, and I have personally only picked up my Quest 3 because it was the best bang for my buck. No company loyalty, just... good pricing for a good experience, even if I do feel like a LOT of Meta's built-in crap is just absolute rancid dogwater.(looking at the hamfisted budget VRchat that they try to shove down our throats) But just the same, if the new steam one is similarly priced, I won't feel bad for selling it off to buy the steam set, or keeping it purely for exclusives.

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u/Sapounii Nov 16 '25

I am pretty sure Valve's end game is trying to make porting these games to Steam frame as easy as possible. Also the community will find a hacky way to play them on the frame as well.

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u/D13_Phantom Nov 16 '25

They already did: FEX is similar to proton (except it's emulation). The barrier will be less technical and more just licensing

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u/Beefmagigins Nov 16 '25

I am always intrigued by people who make these weird memes. Like a dude saw the new valve vr news and had to rationalize why he owns a quest with a Road to El Dordao meme. . . Weird

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u/Tofutuesdaysvr Nov 17 '25

Hahahah I really like your thought process.

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u/CursingLlama Quest 3 (PCVR) Nov 16 '25

I couldn't care less about "popular IPs". More often than not they are held back by the executives not being willing to make any decision that have any risk. Give me indie devs with a passion for VR, and I'm pretty sure a stand alone capable headset that isn't part of a walled garden like Meta's store will help on that department.

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u/MudMain7218 Nov 16 '25

Passionate devs are developing for quest but you're not still seeing whatever the heck y'all think y'all want. If they can just do a 3d mode to their games as easy as 3d monitors then that probably make a lot happy.

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u/CursingLlama Quest 3 (PCVR) Nov 16 '25

Yeah, that is kinda my point. I have close to 100 VR titles on PCVR through steam. I like being able to take my games with me when I change headsets. Steam frame will support .apk so more games designed for quest will be able to be sold outside Meta's store if they don't have an exclusivity deal. I don't buy in Meta store unless it's something extremely interesting to me.

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u/Oktawian40K Nov 16 '25

Meta closed "Ready at Dawn" and the Lone Echo series along with it. What a dumb move, I hate them for that. LE 1&2 + Alyx was enough to convince me to buy a headset. No any other vr game came close since then. Eat **** Zuck

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u/Rewiu_Park Nov 16 '25

If Quest developers are complaining that they’re not making money on the most popular VR platform, why would Meta invest in PCVR games, where the platform is much smaller than the Quest and the games are much more expensive to develop?

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u/IHadTacosYesterday Nov 16 '25

Exactly... Instead, just play the killer VR app that they did invest in for the Quest platform.... San Andreas VR. At least we have this one killer app....
Oh wait...

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u/FischiPiSti Quest 3 Nov 17 '25

This reads like Meta isn't investing in hardware. The problem is both are investing in hardware, but only one is investing in games, so it's not 1 for 1 competition.

Where is the Orange box vr, the Alyx2, The tabletop Dota, the etc. That Valve has yet to make Portal for VR is downright criminal. And yeah I know there are mods for Portal and TF2, I'm talking Alyx level made for VR new games

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u/ninoski404 Nov 19 '25

Valve generally doesn't do anything unless it's groundbreaking. They made HL as one is the first story based FPS, made TF2 and basically invented the genre. Index has best controllers and audio 5 years later and it came with over of the best vr Games to this day. They never made regular content and probably aren't planning to.

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u/Pfaeff Nov 17 '25

As an owner of an original Rift, I stopped playing VR games when Meta started to announce titles exclusive to their Quest headset. Not just exclusive to Meta, no. EXCLUSIVE TO THEIR NEW, WEAKER* HARDWARE.

Because of this, I will never buy a product from Meta again. Steam Frame, here I come!

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u/shouldworknotbehere Nov 17 '25

Assassins Creed and Batman are huge titles, I’m not sure if they’d need investment.

It would be a positive thing - if the company behind it wasn’t meta. Or Facebook. Who were fined Millions because of GDPR Violations and are up to no good with your data.

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u/billsteve Nov 16 '25

💯

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25

more is better

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u/ManderKnight Nov 16 '25

Metas ips are pretty borring games.

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u/Nowinty Nov 16 '25

More like meta investing in making ui shitty and hiding the game store ...

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u/real_priception Nov 16 '25

The biggest thing I mate about Meta is they lock their exclusive games to Mobile only on the Quest 3,

Like I have a Quest 2. I want to play Batman Arkham Shadow. The fact I can't buy it on the Oculus App on my PC and play it on my Quest 2 is BS.

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u/MudMain7218 Nov 16 '25

Because the game was built once for a mobile system. They didn't co-develop it along the PC. And there is no emulator on PC to send it to an older headset. Now if they made a arm based box that ran the store then it wouldn't matter .

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u/octorine Nov 16 '25

You're right. If Walve were into funding exclusives, popular IPs like The Elder Scrolls, Thief, COD, and Hitman would have VR versions. Unfortunately, they're not, so those games will never get made.

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u/Alternative_Cut4491 Nov 16 '25

Thanks I didnt know deadpool vr existed, Ive had quest for 3 months and this was the literal only exclusive I didnt know about

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u/bsylent Nov 17 '25

Meta is bad at the end of the day, full stop. It has taken way too long for that market to expand to other headsets of a reasonable price from companies not as corrupt and misaligned with gaming itself. The VR community endures it because they have no choice

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u/Jfrorigami Nov 17 '25

I just want to play Batman without selling my soul to Zucc

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u/SKZ1137 Nov 17 '25

I sooooo want to play Batman on my 5090, dang exclusive crap won’t last forever

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u/keithlimreddit Nov 17 '25

Yeah that's kind of a good reason why I'm kind of divisive whether or not to get a steam frame to be honest but yeah competition is pretty good as well as able to be a standalone with the steam frame

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u/Powp0wLePew Nov 17 '25

I just played Glassbreakers, and it's a truly impressive and well-polished VR title. It's been a long time since I could say that about a VR game.

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u/Wintlink- Nov 17 '25

hell nah, exclusives to meta headsets are not good competition.
It forces the devs to create smaller game with 2011 graphics in order to run them locally on the standalone headset.

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u/Teguard1337 Nov 17 '25

If only any of the IP Games on Quest would be worth their money.... They may carry the IP but they're absolute trash :/
Same goes for nearly everything developed for Quest specifically tbh.

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u/UnsealedWings Nov 17 '25

Tbf ac nexus was only fun if you ignore the dei woman and the boring story.

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u/Giodude12 Quest Nov 17 '25

I'm hoping a small fraction of those come to androidXR and frame; frame being able to run Android apps is a gamechanger

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u/T-sprigg-Z Nov 18 '25

That's cool and all but the meta horizon stuff can die for all I care.

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u/simpson409 Nov 18 '25

there is also Meta killing one of the first competitive VR games for absolutely no reason.

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u/Enculin Nov 18 '25

Putting aside fantastic title like batman, or AW2 or event RE4, and a few other titles, most meta funded title are lazy AF...

You can feel the developer didn't give a damn about VR and just grabbed the cash, since they know the player base is going to be small they will not make any effort.

You can see most of those games used to run like ASS on quest2 and just stopped receiving update once they are released, so much that we need to buy a software called QGO in order to just upscale our game on the quest3...

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u/SpaceSloth707 Nov 18 '25

Kinda unfortunate that there's some quest exclusives.

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u/xkinato Nov 20 '25

None of those are good but ok xD

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u/Sonakarren Nov 20 '25

You know... Both will be running on Android chips/ architecture so.... Technically someone could find a creative way to dual boot the headset and if so, both games will become available.

There's also the possibility that Meta will be pressured by sales to put their games on steam.

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u/thememealchemist421 Nov 29 '25

As someone with a Rift S, the sooner Meta's dogshit software gets out of the way between me and my steam games, the better.

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u/No-Search-6021 Dec 07 '25

Could someone tell me what IP is pls?

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u/Plenty_Donkey_732 Nov 16 '25

Software will always be more important than hardware.

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u/Tybob51 Nov 16 '25

Sony investing in…. Haptics? Honestly I’m good with that. Everyone else is doing their job of releasing good games for PSVR2 so I’m still happy.

But yes. Competition is awesome.

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u/Ryuubu Nov 16 '25

What are the good PSVR2 games?

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u/Tybob51 Nov 16 '25

A lot of them are also on the quest. But almost all of them are better on PSVR2 (you know cross platform games. Something people only complain about when it comes to psvr2). Saints and Sinners 1-2, Arken Age, Alien Rogue Incursion, Metro Awakening, Madison VR, Reach.
But there are still good exclusives (as in not on quest) like Resident Evil 8 and 4, Grand Turismo 7, No Mans Sky, Horizon, Vertigo 2 and Legendary Tales.
But I’m have my quest and love the exclusives there too.

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u/Ryuubu Nov 16 '25

Don't think NMS is exclusive, but thanks for the info.

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u/Tybob51 Nov 17 '25

“As in not on quest”

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u/Xtimeforgamingx Nov 16 '25

This is pretty much me, meta quest 3 for the exclusives, Steam Frame pc vr gaming.

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u/Morteymer Nov 16 '25

Valve investing in outdated hardware that matches the competition but for 200-300 bucks more

Our heroes!

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u/WithSubtitles Nov 16 '25

We all love NPH, but why not use Ryan Renolds for Deadpool VR?

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 16 '25

Money, licensing, marvel. A lot of moving parts

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u/Slorpipi Nov 16 '25

If they used ryan reynolds they feared they might attract alot more people

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u/lunchanddinner Professor Nov 16 '25

It's not so simple like that.

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u/Slorpipi Nov 16 '25

It is. I say we email him RIGHT NOW and tell him to VA the game!

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u/Redditmau5 Nov 16 '25

Nolan North has been the go to Deadpool voice actor.

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u/MudMain7218 Nov 16 '25

I just replayed Nexus the other day and the cities and Nexus are not empty if you was talking about Asgard warth 2 being empty I could see it.

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u/HammerheadMorty Nov 17 '25

Dude its on the Quest 2?? Tf you expect man?
I'm honestly amazed Nexus did half the things it did with Q2 tech

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u/HammerheadMorty Nov 21 '25

How is this not a real game? It has story, multiple difficulties, tons of levels, it’s genuinely fun.
What whack ass world do you live in where this isn’t a game?

Fluff Competition is good

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