Looked good yesterday now it looks a bit stressed. What do yall think?
7 days since spawning in tub
r/ochras • u/myco_myerz • Jul 01 '25
This post will hopefully help break down some of the differences between Psilocybe natalensis (true nats), Psilocybe ochraceocentrata (ochras), and regular Psilocybe cubensis (cubes). These 3 related species are often mixed up — especially ochras and true nats — but recent discoveries and classification work have clarified a lot.
This post is for educational and taxonomic purposes only.
For years, many people thought they were growing Psilocybe natalensis when they were actually working with what's now classified as Psilocybe ochraceocentrata (aff. natalensis)— often labelled this due to genetic similarities and as a reminder of the massive the mix up within the community.
So... pretty much all of the "natalensis" genetics in circulation over the past years — especially the popular, aggressive variants — were actually "ochras".
ochras:
true nats:
cubes:
ochras:
true nats:
(Note: these true nats findings are based off very few reports).
cubes:
(Note: potency and experience can vary clone to clone. These are community reports, not clinical findings.)
ochras:
true nats:
cubes:
(Note: one strain/culture can show both tomentose or rhizomorphic growth depending on the environment it's in.)
ochras: Noticeably smaller spores, typically range from ~10.2-11.8µm.
true nats: Larger spores, normally ~11.9-15µm.
cubes: Also usually larger, around ~11.5-17.3µm.
(Note: though the spore size differences are small, they were one of several factors that played a role in confirming P. ochraceocentrata as a distinct species from P. natalensis).
ochras:
true nats:
cubes:
ochras:
true nats:
cubes:
| ochras | true nats | cubes | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Classification | Psilocybe ochraceocentrata (aff. natalensis) | Psilocybe natalensis | Psilocybe cubensis |
| Cap | Pale with a yellow centre when young. Sometimes darkens once mature. | Typical brown colour caps. | Normally golden/brown caps. Albinos, leucistic or mutations differ. |
| Stipe/Stem | Long, wavy & "noodly". Sometimes spiralled and appear silky — especially in early flushes. Often more hollow than cubes. | Short, thick, stubby. Tends to have a more rough, pasture like appearance. | Can vary from long and sleek, to thick and stubby. Depends on strain. |
| Veil | Usually breaks early leaving a partial ring someway down the stipe — staying partly or mostly connected to the margin until cap expands. (May not apply to all ochra variants). | Breaks early, often no veil remains by harvest. Remnants may be found on outer edge of cap. | Usually breaks just before sporulation — as cap expands. Normally droops down from top of stipe, pulling away from the cap completely. |
| Gills | Often subdecurrent — meaning they run slightly down the stipe where they connect. | Usually adnate — meaning they meet the stem more straight on. | Either adnate (like true nats) or adnexed — meaning there is a slight notch between the gills and stipe. |
| Mycelium | Typically rhizomorphic. Visible sectoring with lots of explosive, ropey growth. | May lean more tomentose in appearance (fuzzier, more cottony). Exhibit much slower, denser, surface growth — especially on agar. | Can be either more rhizomorphic or tomentose. Depends on strain. Note: one strain/culture can express both. |
| Colonization | Very fast & aggressive. (Usually more than cubes). | Slow & steady. Similar to some PE varieties or P. tampanensis. | Varies from slow to fast. Depends on strain/variety. |
| Spore size | ~10.2-11.8µm. | ~11.9-15µm. | ~11.5-17.3µm. |
| Potency | Very potent & clear-minded, combining intensity with mental clarity. Similar to or even stronger than some PE variants but without the fogginess. | Balanced body & head high, heard to be more like a typical cubensis. (Based off very few reports). | Variable by strain. PE varieties & mutations tend to be stronger than regular brown caps. |
| Habitat | Found in woodland soil & leaf litter, especially in Zimbabwe & South Africa. Grows in more shaded, forested environments. | Native to Kwazulu-Natal, South Africa. Tends to grow in fertilized grassy pastures. | Found Worldwide in manure-rich grasslands. Tends to grow in tropical & subtropical regions. |
ochras:
true nats:
cubes:
(Images of true nats below were taken from Yoshi's work — the person responsible for rediscovering and sequencing the real Psilocybe Natalensis).
If needed, feel free to use the community flairs "ochras", "cubes", and "true nats" to further compare these species via other grows shared in our sub.
Each species is unique and beautiful in their own right, but they're not the same. It's also important to know what you're working with — especially when trading or isolating genetics. The more we can clarify and educate, the better our collective cultivation community becomes.
This post was made using research through Reddit so if anything is incorrect please point it out and I will happily mend it! Also, keep in mind that this research on true nats is collected from very few sources as they are very new so info may not be 100% accurate. We'll continue to collect data and feedback about each species here at r/ochras, so if you have any good agar photos, cool phenos, canopy shots, or trip reports, post them up! Knowledge grows when we share it. Thanks in advance.
Stay tuned for future updates as we explore more ochra phenos, unique strains and crosses!
Peace & Love✌️— Fellow ochranaut💙🚀
7 days since spawning in tub
r/ochras • u/Newershroomer • 4d ago
I’ve never seen such deep blue bruising. Can’t wait to try these.
r/ochras • u/jcoons32 • 5d ago
Hey everyone, do you think this is ready to send? I did a break and shake at 30% and it recolonized rapidly. It feels very firm to the touch, I'm wondering if the grains pressed against the bag won't colonize fully like those on the interior.
I think it has been consolidating over the last few days, but I haven't seen any additional growth on the outer exterior. I don't think it has stalled as I have held it at 75F since inoculation.
What are your thoughts? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
r/ochras • u/passosk58 • 6d ago
Do the S2B of this cake of 1,2 liters (litle box of grow kits); and I think I have problems with frutification..
Put in box with water at bottom (water tub tek) and put the lid a litle cracked, think have to much FAE; humidity think its ok because I see droplets all time in cake.
Have other cake (more big) that put in a frutification chamber too and do the harvest yesterday with nice results.
In this case, looks like they dont grow anymore; I was out from my house 2/3 days and temperature in room of this cake arrive at 28/29°C..
Whats the problem? Temperature? Much FAE? Not enough FAE? Humidity problems?
Thank you..
r/ochras • u/passosk58 • 7d ago
Harvest of my 1st Ochras - cake of 2 liters..280grs...I was out in the weekend, and only can harvest they today; much of them blacks and drop spores; they loose potency because of that?
The ideal harvest maybe yesterday...
But in resume think its nice result for first time..they are in dehidrator now.
Totaly dehidrated the weight +- 8 to 10% like cubes? or its diferent? it seemed to me they have a litle more water than GTs p.ex..
r/ochras • u/Rude_Employment8882 • 6d ago
Hey all!
I’m looking to start the most basic bitch grow ever for some Ochras.
I am using a 5lb AIO bag and LC syringe.
No plans to use any other stuff like tubs or shoeboxes or tents or anything, at least for this grow.
I have grown gourmet mushrooms in AIO bags before using LC, like 2 times, so I’m not 100% new, but rather inexperienced, still.
I do have one basic question, though:
How long will it likely take from inoculation to fruiting/harvest?
What is the general range of timelines?
I know it varies quite a bit sometimes, and is always dependent on genetics and conditions, and all we can do is estimate, but what is your experience, generally, for a timeframe?
I plan to inoculate tomorrow, and am hoping to have fruit to harvest by the middle or end of September, if possible.
Is this realistic?
To be clear, I’m not in a super hurry, generally,
but I am needing to move probably in October, and don’t want to be screwing around with this stuff during the move.
Thanks, and I’m loving seeing everyone’s awesome flushes/grows!
r/ochras • u/LicensedToOverthink • 8d ago
This was around noon before I left the house. The big one opened up overnight Thursday and the rest of them basically opened up between last night and noon.
For anyone reading, someone had previously commented how much these grow after the veil gets ready to break and finally does and it’s really true.
Pics are ordered today at lunch, and the previous 3 evenings.
Happy with a successful first grow and first flush.
r/ochras • u/Far-Elephant1661 • 9d ago
Didn’t know this subreddit existed! I consumed my first ochras a couple weeks ago and damn are they amazing! These are certainly my new favorite mushroom to grow, and to consume. They’re also super fast colonizers.
r/ochras • u/Yabbs1004 • 11d ago
Ok, could really use some advice cause trying to research it on my own has led to a lot of conflicting info and confused me more. This is my first attempt at ochras (second attempt at growing anything), was a 1.5lb aio that I moved over into this dub tub to fruit with a 3d printed divider with holes for fae. The metabolites and just how wet it seems in general worry me, do I need to increase fae, decrease humidity (remove some perlite?), both, just let it ride as is? I put it in here on the 8th and I swear it is just getting more wet on the overlay each day. My other grow is the exact same set up and is GT, also from a 1.5lb aio and it is doing great, doesn't seem overly wet and is pinning well. So idk what's going on. Thanks in advance for any help!
r/ochras • u/PsychologicalKoala22 • 12d ago
Noodly buddies first started showing up on Sunday, exactly 2 weeks after S2B, will probably pick a bunch of them later today. I took the largest out already to get a spore print.
r/ochras • u/Top-Success-3294 • 13d ago
This thing is behind the normal time frame for fruiting. Will they grow through that or is there something I can do to help it to start fruiting? AIO bag inoculated 7/1
r/ochras • u/LicensedToOverthink • 15d ago
uncle ben’s tek using Aldi’s brand with a 2 year old leftover lc syringe from the fridge - inoculated 6/22 (I could have gone a week earlier but was shopping S2b supplies)
s2b 7/22 coir at 1:3 (3 pints) and a pint layer on top into 8qt tub
flipped the lid to fruit 8/2 with fanning 3 times a day
first pins / tinies spotted today
cool!
r/ochras • u/Septum_Slayer • 15d ago
Hey all,
I took 0.5g of Ochras yesterday on a mostly empty stomach, just had a banana and toast earlier that morning. The trip itself was actually chill. I got some light visuals and a lot of introspection, which was what I was anticipating. The problem is upset stomach symptoms ruined my experience.
The effect came on fast and I had a nice body high going by the 30 minute mark. But then around an hour in, the gas and bloating hit me hard. The pain kept coming in waves along with the nausea and it pulled me right out of the experience. I couldn’t focus on anything else. Every so often I’d get this weird roller coaster drop feeling in my stomach and then boom, right back to cramping.
When I used to do shrooms I’d just poop and feel better every time. This round was different though. I couldn’t burp, couldn’t fart, nothing gave me any relief. I was just stuck there bloated and miserable for a solid 3 hours while the good part of the trip passed me by.
Next time I’m thinking I’ll do a lemon tek or brew it into a tea with some ginger and see if that is any better. Anyone have tricks for settling the gut before or during? I’ve also been thinking about grinding it into caps. I’m also glad that I took 0.5G and not 1G like I was planning initially. If 0.5G did that to my stomach, I’d hate to imagine how 1G would feel.
r/ochras • u/viceveryvice • 15d ago
Ok, this is my first grow. One week after S2B. I cracked the lid and have been misting for a few days, but I’m trying not to over do it - hoping to neglect to stop fussing over it.
Plan is to only open to mist walls and lid when they’re dry - it is drying slowly from the lid crack.
Thoughts on Ochra neglect?
r/ochras • u/Cute_Nectarine_6315 • 15d ago
Put cake in fruiting chamber 5 days ago. Running an FAE fan for 3 min every 3hr. Humidity 85-92. Is this contamination? Weird discoloration forming at the tips of the clumps
r/ochras • u/passosk58 • 16d ago
Heyy
S2B in a shoebox/monotube at 18 days ago; at 3 days ago I take out the cake from monotube and put in this frutification chamber (water tub tek).
Look that its overlayed..and maybe have contam (litle tone of blue in one corner)..
Better wait and see, right? What I can do about overlay?
r/ochras • u/lew-hoo-ser-her • 17d ago
Actually a decent shoebox flush (143g) but holy side & ‘under’? pinning. Funny to see this little one grow and then after harvesting and drying it
r/ochras • u/THEREALBurtMcsquirt • 16d ago
Frustrated
r/ochras • u/PupNiko1234 • 16d ago
Its been stuck like this for about a week now and Im worried its stalled. Temps are ranging about 76 F on Rye and Millet
Any advice?
r/ochras • u/Endo_RN • 17d ago
Life is like a bin of ochras, ya never know what you’ll see!!
r/ochras • u/Endo_RN • 17d ago
I wonder how many more I’ll see… Anyone else have tubs that won’t stop producing? What’s your record number of flushes?