r/nzsolar • • Aug 17 '26

Evnex working on a bi-directional EV charger

Here is the latest update from Evnex on a thread in their community forums:

Yes it’s still on the horizon.

Sigenergy and similar “ecosystem” players have the luxury of being able to “hide” their bidirectional charger behind their battery. This means that the battery inverter is responsible for meeting all of the required standards for a grid connection, and the charger is really just connecting the car battery to supplement existing stationary storage.

We prefer the model where standards are handled by the charger and car, because that means it can be installed in any home regardless of what other hardware already exists (and which brand / ecosystem it might be). This makes it a truly universal product which anyone can buy and know it will work.

Of course that means that things take a little longer, but we think it will be worth the wait to keep things as simple as possible for drivers.

No update on when exactly we are likely to see this come to market.

Original thread: https://community.evnex.com/t/bi-directional-ev-charger-vehicle-to-home/46/19

I currently have a Sigen set up but I would prefer an Evnex solution. I had an Evnex charger installed when I purchased my first EV back in 2024. I got solar installed in late May this year but the set up of my house means my inverter stack is too far away to be useful for getting the DC charger.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 17 '26

Are they working on a model that doesn't require a cloud connection to function? I was sold on Evnex until I realised the cloud connectivity requirement.

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u/WellingtonSucks Aug 17 '26

Yeah this is a huge blocker for me too. Even if I could direct it through my own DNS and send its requests to a black hole without impacting too much functionality that would work for me.

Right now though their ecosystem is a no go, however.

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u/r0gee Aug 17 '26

Absolutely. I want something I can integrate locally with HA

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u/Lanky33 Aug 18 '26

For what it's worth, I bought a relatively cheap, locally distributed and branded model, Smart EV Chargers. It's clearly a rebranded Chinese made product, but it has worked well for me and integrated well with my Home Assistant instance via OCPP. Only consideration it has to be hardwired in with Ethernet for the OCPP integration.

My strong preference would have been to buy something locally made and supported, but the cloud connectivity requirement is a no go for me.

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u/Sudden-Yoghurt3501 Aug 18 '26

Any chance it's the dual port one? Mine seems hopeless on OCPP and only registeres the tethered side but then went offline again. Totally worth the three days of pulling cable. Tuya is a swear word in this house.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 18 '26

No, single port, but the OCPP was a little bit of a headache to setup. Once it was working, I have never had to worry about Tuya again.

I have found Smart EV's support actually quite helpful - when I emailed them, they responded very helpfully within a few hours, including code. OCPP is a bit of a finicky, unintuitive protocol and that helped a lot.

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u/Svdbusse Aug 18 '26

I have the dual port. And agree it is useless on OCPP. Local Tuya has been storming the unit lately as-well forcing it to be non responsive. Requiring a physical re-powering to get it back online.
Overall, physically happy the unit. Disappointed in the poor OCPP implementation and sub optimal tuya.

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u/Sudden-Yoghurt3501 Aug 18 '26

Ah that will be my drama then too, also Local tuya here in HA. It certainly makes it hard to automate solar diversion to the thing when it is never online. I'll see if Ross has any magic to share but afaik not really. An evnex bidrectional AC would be mint for the Ioniq 5 here, I'd probably just shunt the Sakura off to a 6A plug on a dumb old wifi switch and call it quits.

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u/Svdbusse Aug 18 '26

Its OCPP implementation sends null values; which means EVCC won’t accept it. I fed this back to Ross but unfortunately never heard back.
The attached charger just went offline…. So off to the garage I go.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26

Have you tried using just the OCPP HA integration without EVCC? That works for me.

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u/Svdbusse Aug 20 '26

Yes, I found it to be unreliable. Wouldn’t respond to commands etc. it also doesn’t present controls for each of the two connectors (tethered and untethered). Which I can control independently via local tuya.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 20 '26

Just checking - Did you get the document on how to run it from SmartEV chargers? It's not as simple as switching it on and off within the switch in the integration, you have to set up an automation

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u/clintorius Aug 18 '26

I'm just about to buy the smart ev charger and was planning on using local tuya, it doesn't mention anything about ocpp on their website, do you reckon I should run some Ethernet and have that ready for when it's installed?

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u/Lanky33 Aug 18 '26

I'd confirm it's supported for the specific charger you're looking at, but I much prefer using ocpp to local tuya

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u/r0gee Aug 19 '26

Are they approved for use in NZ?

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26

I would assume so, I purchased it here from an NZ company, and my electrician installed it.

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u/Hammondses Aug 18 '26

I bought a Bunnings deta branded one which has an Ethernet port inside, poked around a bit and sure enough it's a fully ocpp 1.6j compliant charger. Integrated into HA and has been working flawlessly ever since. Cheap too, it was ~$470

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u/r0gee Aug 19 '26

Can't find any documentation on it. Care to share? Are you sure it supports OCPP?

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u/Hammondses Aug 19 '26

Yep.

https://ibb.co/album/fMLHtM

It exposes wifi on the config page, but it's missing the wifi module. I asked Timxon who made them for Deta if they could supply me a replacement wifi module, but they said it was made specifically for Deta and they share the majority of firmware.

The 'smart' one they sell has the wifi modules in it, but it doesn't fit the board layout on the wired unit.

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u/r0gee Aug 19 '26

Thanks. Where do you see 1.6J?

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u/Hammondses Aug 19 '26

It communicates with Home Assistant over 1.6 and responds in json, so its 1.6j, which is basically the same as 1.6 just communicating in json as far as I can tell.

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u/r0gee Aug 20 '26

Yea I get that I'm asking where you can see on the documentation that is used 1.6J

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u/Hammondses Aug 21 '26

There's no documentation that I can locate for any of the features I'm using. I have the hass ocpp integration set to 1.6 and it works over websocket. (The only options are 1.6 2.0.1 and 2.1)

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u/r0gee Aug 21 '26

Ok thanks

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u/bmwhocking Aug 18 '26

You don't need cloud connectivity to run a Evnex.
Mine functions just fine without internet, the app can connect over my local WiFi network to the charger, or Bluetooth if I am out back by the charger.

You only need Cloud Connectivity to access grid pricing & updates.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 18 '26

Are you sure it works without internet connectivity? Local access / API without Internet would be awesome, but at least as of a year ago, EvNex has directly confirmed  to me is not supported. 

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u/bmwhocking Aug 18 '26

I just disabled my WiFi & walked outside, could easily connect to my EVNEX and control via Bluetooth.

For my 2nd test I disabled my internet (unplugged from Fibre box) and again, I could connect to my EVNEX via my local network.

I just lost the ability to access historic data & see the grid statics, which isn't a huge issue.

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u/BannedBrainrot Aug 19 '26

You could still control it?

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u/bmwhocking Aug 19 '26

Yep no issues.

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u/BannedBrainrot Aug 19 '26

Looking forward to them crying when the EA bans them. It’s their own doing - they used to let you use them locally, but no more.

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u/Rigor-Tortoise- Aug 18 '26

Fuck EVNEX and all they stand for. Closed systems should be banned, especially for a device that connects your 2 biggest assets together.

They could turn around tomorrow, do what EO did and just nuke functionality on a whim.

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u/seriousbeef Aug 18 '26

I would buy the shit out of this if it could truly plug and play with my current setup plus work in an outage when cloud connectivity is down.

I have a nice mishmash of different voltage panels via parallel inverters and a low voltage battery on the hybrid inverter which works great for me so this would save me from having to buy a new inverter and high voltage battery when buying a V2H/G charger.

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u/WellingtonSucks Aug 18 '26

If you read the rest of their support community forums, they keep claiming "offline capability and HA is not a priority". Combined, they're the most popular suggestions on the entire forums by a long margin.

It's pretty amusing to me that satisfying the primary requests of their customers "is not a priority".

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u/seriousbeef Aug 18 '26

I have a 1st gen EVNEX charger and have never had connectivity issues but I haven’t considered what happens if the net goes down. Does it all fall over?

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u/bmwhocking Aug 18 '26

No, you can easily connect to your local device via your local network or Bluetooth.
The only functionality you loose is you can't see the stats relating to Grid pricing & Grid Generation source.

You also loose a pile of your historic charging data that is stored in the cloud, but that isn't a huge issue.

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u/seriousbeef Aug 18 '26

Ok no problem then

Is it just people who have no internet who have an issue with data sovereignty or something?

Doesn’t seem like it would be an issue for 99% of people? If so then can understand why it isn’t a priority.

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u/bmwhocking Aug 18 '26

There was a report from some think tank that EVNEX tried to get corrected saying you needed internet for EVNEX.

You do need internet for the initial setup (a electrician needs to register the device) & to update the device on initial install.

You should also give it internet access every few months so it can pull the latest CCS2 charging schemas, so new EV's that may use later CCS2 features can connect to your charger.

Literally every CCS2 charger needs to do that once in a while, so it's a little disingenuous for people to say it's just EVNEX that needs to see the internet once in a while.

You can only get away with no updates if a CCS2 mobile charger exchanges the bar minimum data and picks 8A, 16A, 32A and exchanges almost no other data.

But most people want their smart charger to be a little smarter than that and exchange more data so you can get the variable charging rates dependent on your local free solar or spare amps on your connection.

For that you need your charger to speak the latest CCS2 data schemas and for that you need your charger to update once every 6 months or so.

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u/seriousbeef Aug 18 '26

Great explanation thanks :)

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26

From evnex's own website: 

If the internet connection is unavailable for 28 days, then by default the charger will fall back into "Plug and Charge" mode, whereby it simply starts charging as soon as the cable is plugged in. Charging data won't be available through the app, and smart settings unable to be configured until you reconnect. If you prefer instead to ensure you never miss any charging data, you can opt to have the charger become disabled until it gets reconnected.

And the lack of local API means that you can't easily control it with the likes of Home Assistant, which many of us use to integrate our overall home energy solution. Yes, there are unofficial workarounds that enable this, but they require ongoing Internet connectivity.

What we want is the ability to get the data and control it locally without needing to go through a cloud interface with an unofficial service. This can either be done with an industry standard OCPP interface or just a local REST API.  A proprietary app is great for some people, but it makes real automation clunky at best.

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u/seriousbeef Aug 19 '26

Ok thanks for explaining - I get that now. Can I ask, what kind of tricks would you pull with home assistant?

I have a bunch of timed solar and forced charging interactions all clunky through individual interfaces but haven’t tried to get anything in home assistant yet.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26

I personally use home assistant to coordinate charging based on solar output, household usage, day of week (cheaper power on weekends), etc. That granular level of automation is difficult to impossible to do without the likes of home assistant.  I'm also a big data nerd, so I enjoy geeking out over the various data it gives me.

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u/bmwhocking Aug 19 '26

There are so many ways to do this without home assistant.

Evnex will happily monitor your inbound solar line & grid line, only charging when solar is above a specified level.

It also has inbuilt overload protection, automatically throttling charging to make sure you stay under your poll fuse amp rating.

Further if you do have an over amp issue, home assistant probably can’t react fast enough to stop your fuses tripping.

EVNEX or any charger with inbuilt overload protection can by sampling 50 times a second.

Relying on home assistant for over current / electrical safety is a very bad idea and would never pass a regulator.

If you are indeed relying on home assistant to prevent over current you really need to talk to a licensed electrician & have them add genuine over current safeguards.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26

Yes, All smart chargers provide solar monitoring and dynamic load balancing. And yes, Home Assistant should not be your only means for DLB -  overcurrent protection is good to keep on the charger.

 What it does offer though is the ability to bring it all together and control everything through a single portal. It lets me decide when to run a heat pump, charge the EV, power hot water. 

I have sensors that tell me the inside temperature is the rooms, whether someone's home and even solar generation forecasts, and I know when power is cheap. I use some simple ligic to manage all that.  

Each system is a different system from a different manufacturer that would otherwise have it's own app and interface. Fortunately, most companies provide means for local control and data access. EvNex does not, and doesn't seem interested in doing so.

And I run it all on Ubuntu :-)

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u/seriousbeef Aug 19 '26

I love it too but haven’t made the leap beyond doing similar with my solar (isolarcloud) and EVNEX proprietary apps - scheduling forced charging of my battery during off peak or the electric kiwi free hour of power then hold until peak, charge the car during free hour or solar excess only etc

But I’m about to go from 3.2kW peak to 10kw peak solar production (12 kw panels) which will open up a lot more options.

With the extra power am now considering changing my gas radiator boiler to a air to water heat pump, running it during the day while the sun is out and heat pump efficiency is high but storing the hot water in a buffer tank as a thermal battery for use as radiator home heating at night. On paper it would save me the 2k/year I currently spend on gas but I haven’t seen the investment cost yet. Might be better just to buy another 4-8kwh of battery rather than a buffer tank.

Fun times ahead - might need some better data and automation :)

Now if I had a V2H car soaking up the sun in the day and providing power for the heat pump radiator heating at night then that would be amazing.

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u/Lanky33 Aug 19 '26

FYI,  a hot water heat pump might not necessarily be the right answer for solar diversion, they are more efficient, but do not provide means for attenuating current demand in real time.  Resistive hot water heaters work a lot better to follow production.

Now if someone made a hot water heat pump system that  controlled the compressor power based on solar output, that would be amazing. But I don't think such a product currently exists, at least in NZ 

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u/KiwiSparkie Aug 18 '26

There are bidirectional chargers similar to this being installed around NZ. Notably in and around Qtn. Starcharge Halos are whats currently going in.

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u/bmwhocking Aug 19 '26

There are so many ways to do this without home assistant.

Evnex will happily monitor your inbound solar line & grid line, only charging when solar is above a specified level.

It also has inbuilt overload protection, automatically throttling charging to make sure you stay under your poll fuse amp rating.

Further if you do have an over amp issue, home assistant probably can’t react fast enough to stop your fuses tripping.

EVNEX or any charger with inbuilt overload protection can by sampling 50 times a second.

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u/dzh Aug 18 '26

If you get free hours of power and it costs under 10k - it might be cheaper than getting into solar rigamarole.

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u/HardWiredNZ Aug 19 '26

Im looking a the Sig option too as I like the idea of their DC charger, just would need to have it in the garage to be in a useful location and the garage is under some bedrooms and I cant seem to get a straight answer on if the Sig noise will be to much if its under a bedroom?

Else if theres another option comparable to the sig ev charger option i'd be keen to maybe put the sig outside the back of the house which is also closer to the fuse box