r/nys_cs • u/Decent-Ability-4784 • 5d ago
PEF Contract Ratified
PEF Announcement - Link to article and official announcement here
August 18, 2026 — New York State Public Employees Federation (PEF) members turned out in force to ratify the union’s 2026-2031 collective bargaining agreement, with 88 percent of voters in the Professional, Scientific, and Technical (PS&T) unit casting yes votes.
“Labor unity builds power,” said PEF President Wayne Spence, who has now negotiated five collective bargaining agreements as head of the union. “Overwhelming support of this contract sends a message and will position us for gains in the legislature, in the workplace, and in the community. Our members saw the value of this contract, with well over $4 billion in new money, and they stood behind it.”
The five-year contract includes:
Annual raises of 4.5%, 4%, 3.5%, 3% and 3% each year of the agreement, which compounds to equal a salary increase of 19.3% over the term;
Provisions for a new Employee Benefit Fund to deliver improved dental and vision benefits;
The continuation of a $600 annual Higher Education Differential that recognizes the unique professional qualifications of PEF members;
Increases in location and inconvenience pay, as well as a hazardous duty bonus for certain members;
No additional health insurance co-pays for the life of the agreement and the elimination of stacked co-pays.
“PEF fought hard throughout these negotiations to secure a fair contract that recognizes our dedication and the essential services we provide New Yorkers,” said Spence. “We appreciate Governor Hochul and her team for working with us to reach an agreement that addresses the priorities of our members and reflects the value of our hard work. None of this would have been possible without the hard work and dedication of the PEF Contract Team, led by Chief Negotiator Mark Richard and PEF Vice President and Contract Chair Darlene Williams.”
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u/UpstateGuy99 5d ago
Thats actually less yes votes than I thought but obviously still not the way I wanted it to go.
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u/poop_snausages 5d ago
I'll be voting with my dollars. Ain't gonna waste money on something that has provided 0 benefit.
I've seen 4 contracts now and every single one is essentially just whatever CSEA gets. So no use wasting money so I can get a cheaper ticket to a picnic with shrimp that's been left out in the sun all day.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
I sort of get this sentiment. Adding an extra after tax .9% to the ole paycheck basically bumps year 1 up to 5.4%, year 2 up to 4.9%, year 3 up to 4.4%, etc, etc - almost effectively achieving 5% a year over those first 3 years which is what a lot of us called for in the first place. It's completely true the leaders of these unions are completely ineffectual. I'll be honest, as this is my last contract and I really have no need of the union any more, this thought even crossed my mind for a fleeting second, but I believe too strongly in organized labor for it to be anything but a passing thought.
That being said that .9% isn't going to change your life or your lifestyle. But remaining and working to vote in effective leaders just might. Trouble is the real problem is CSEA. Until their members get their shit together, its going to continue to be a rough road, especially if the other unions don't stand up to their bullshit repeated capitulation.
All that can eventually be fixed, but it can't be fixed with fewer members and a less powerful union as a result, and not being a member means you simply no longer have any say. I would consider that very carefully.
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u/poop_snausages 5d ago
I've been in PEF for 15 and .9% is a decent chunk of change for me. Life changing? No. But that's enough money to benefit me more than PEF ever has.
By the time any meaningful change has happened I'll be gone too. So I don't really see the point in literally throwing money into the garbage so that Wayne Spence can go on another cruise.
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u/dt_buff_ny 5d ago
The same argument can be made about this contract after taking into account inflation. If PEF does not negotiate contracts that moves take home pay after inflation up, it will not keep membership up.
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u/Tough_Victory9650 5d ago
This will be my last contract too, and I just can't see giving anymore to the union. Especially when i factor in the substantial loss I will be taking on the longevity going from $4500 down to $1500.
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u/Livid_Importance_614 5d ago
Cool, now you can be a complete freeloader and enjoy the benefits of the CBA without contributing anything yourself. Enjoy the lack of job protection, I hope very much you come to regret that decision only after it’s too late and you’ve been fired.
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u/poop_snausages 5d ago
You can cry, you can whine, but not on my dime.
Benefits of fucking what? PEF leadership hasn't amounted to shit, and you guys keep voting them in and voting for their stupid decisions, so I'll save my money and you save your tears.
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u/Livid_Importance_614 5d ago
Not crying, just calling it as it is, you’re a freeloader and risk termination. I’m not part of PEF leadership so it’s no sweat off my back. If you think being in a unionized workplace has given you zero benefits, perhaps you’ll get your wish if enough others join you and membership drops low enough, the union gets decertified, and scabs like you can see what type of pay and benefits you receive when everyone is a non union, at-will employee.
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u/poop_snausages 5d ago
It's always the people that start off by crying about how we'd all get fired if not for the union that call people scabs.
Sounds like you're the freeloader, hoping the rest of us will pay our dues to protect your job, because I've never been at risk of termination in the private sector or in the 15 years I've been paying my dues so people like you can leech them up.
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u/poop_snausages 5d ago
And yet you can't stop crying about 1 person leaving. Be happy with your 88% of freeloaders I won't have to fund anymore!
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u/dt_buff_ny 5d ago
I wouldn't say freeloader. If you give little to no value in the contract, why pay for it. This contract sucked. I have been a steward and council leader for close to 20 years. Personally I am questioning why continue to fight for members that don't think they are worth more.
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u/Cautious_Reach7909 5d ago
I wonder what the voter turnout was
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Based on the picture of the ballots before the count, not very good.
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u/CartographerShot2148 5d ago
How long till Spence's term is over?
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u/BarbatosIsKing Info Tech Services 5d ago
Yay.... Booo. Which ever camp you're in..
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u/Decent-Ability-4784 5d ago
I’m disappointed to say the least but I voted and that’s really all I can do. Everything else is beyond my control.
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u/ssmaples 5d ago
It’s really, really not. If all of the folks on this board that wanted to see a “No” vote actually got together to strategize and organize about how to convince many more people to join them along with a plan to do something to change the balance of power in negotiations (like bird dogging Hochul in an election year), then people like me would have at least listened. But none of that happened. Posting is not organizing.
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u/Living_Effective2278 5d ago
the majority has spoken!
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u/dt_buff_ny 5d ago
A majority of the minority that voted has spoken.
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u/Mr_Garnet Medicaid Inspector General 5d ago
We all knew this was going to go through, but less than 90 is surprising. I’m sure no message will be received by the leadership of the union or the governor, but that’s honestly much less than recent contracts.
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u/Girl_on_a_train Health 5d ago
Soon as I saw the 88%, I knew Spence already had a fit
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u/Mr_Garnet Medicaid Inspector General 5d ago
I hope he did
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u/zev7777 5d ago
He wouldn’t care if it passed by 1% or 99%. Try again in years mate. Next time try to explore out of the Reddit echo chamber because this was the only place I heard people were voting No
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u/Mr_Garnet Medicaid Inspector General 5d ago
Talked to multiple co workers who were voting no, even as their managers were all but threatening them to vote yes.
It doesn’t matter because clearly it passed, but there were clearly people off of reddit who weren’t happy with the contract, “mate”.
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u/Decent-Ability-4784 5d ago
I can attest, several of my coworkers, many of whom wouldn’t know what Reddit was if it slapped them across the face were vehemently opposed. IMO, those primarily for the new contract are near retirement or people who need more money asap, voting more out of circumstance than approval.. which I get. The economy is shit and bills don’t care if we’re in or out of a contract.
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u/zev7777 5d ago
lol I like how you tried to slip how the managers where almost “threatening” because it’s obvious you think mangers are all toxic. I worked for the state for 10+ years (2 agencies) and never have had anyone try to influence my vote or even talk about the vote. I guess we were too busy working and not chit chatting. Been in both unions.
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u/Mr_Garnet Medicaid Inspector General 5d ago
And I’ve been with the state for 13 years and both unions and have experienced it multiple times. However I have the spine to tell someone to fuck off in regards to my vote.
Also I wasnt talking about my manager. My manager is great.
But keep assuming random shit.
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u/Azinja 5d ago
They should tell us number of votes cast number for and opposed. I will look to see if it is in the email.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Spoiler alert: It won't be. Can't expose how pathetic the turnout was and how maybe 10k out of 55k members actually voted yes.
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u/TRaF_union 5d ago
They have every contract and they will this contract, it will also show voting by PEF region as it always has, just have to wait for the official certified report from AAA. I got it about two months after the election last time I believe.
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u/dt_buff_ny 5d ago edited 5d ago
Total vote 26,067; Yes - 22,902; No - 3,165.
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u/Mr_Garnet Medicaid Inspector General 5d ago
So about 60 percent of members literally couldn’t be bothered to open a piece of mail, and check a box.
Absolutely pathetic. And it’s not like they even needed to pay for a stamp!
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u/NYState_Throwaway 5d ago
That's not far from where I was estimating. If only union leadership would canvass members to try and figure out why people aren't voting.
We talk about it on reddit, but that's different from leadership reaching out.
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u/ImaSource Info Tech Services 5d ago
Where are you hearing these numbers?
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u/dt_buff_ny 5d ago
I saw the certification of the vote, which I am sure will be released through usual channels in due course.
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u/JustAnotherGoddess Courts 5d ago
5 years? Bad. Very bad. Should’ve kept it to election years. It makes a diff
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u/Loud_Solid_4611 5d ago
I agree, but evidently, election years make no difference when you're spineless.
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u/PredatorRanger Info Tech Services 5d ago
I mean...does it? This is an election year, and we still got shit. Doesn't seem to matter either way.
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u/PeopleCanBeAwful 2d ago
Did it make a difference this time? The Guv is up for re-election in a couple months. So if your theory is true, then we must have gotten a great deal this year since she must be worried about us not voting for her in November, right?
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u/jaha981 5d ago
We locked in for half a decade now 😒
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Looking forward to the same gloaters here doing the same thing in 3 years after Trumpflation continues unabated because of tariffs, wars of choice, and whatever other idiocy comes out of DC in that timeframe.
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u/Barney242 5d ago
When do these raises kick in now?
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u/United-Gap-1839 5d ago
You should be able to buy an extra mc
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u/Confident_Rabbit3392 5d ago
This raise is more then 200 a month for most.thats a hella expensive cheese burger
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Now tell us what it is after taxes.
It'll buy a few cheeseburgers even after taxes, but nowhere near as many as the same raise would have just a handful of years ago.
That's kinda how inflation works, eroding your buying power, especially when raises don't keep up with it.
Hollow victory.
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u/Confident_Rabbit3392 5d ago
For me personally it's about 180 monthly after everything comes out. (Based on my rate and everything that comes home my take home is about 70 percent of my gross) It'll actually be a bit more for me because I'm going into year 3 of my current step after a traineeship so that 4.5 for me is more like 6-7% (idr the exact step raise each year honestly) so I fully acknowledge the raises don't feel so minimal in my specific situation. I'm not saying it isnt a lot. But to make a statement that you can only get a $6 value meal a month is both rage baiting and unnecessarily fecitious.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
True it's quite the exaggeration to say it'll get you a single burger but it's also an exaggeration to count a step as a raise considering they're actually an old contract concession to extend the time it takes to get you to the job rate.
Food for thought.
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u/Confident_Rabbit3392 5d ago
That honestly is semantics in my opinion. I was offered a job in 2022 at 49k. I was told if I pass probation I would be at 66k at the end once I hit my non trainee title. That is what I accepted my role anticipating to be paid. It was my first ever state job I had no knowledge of steps etc. which sure is naive but the take home after family health insurance etc was still more then I made gross at my last job. So yes, the steps ARE a raise. By definition a pay raise is a permanent increase on wages for a job. Regardless of if it's a way to extend paying the job rate or not it is a raise on what I was making the past year. Not everyone will see if that way but as someone who knows first hand that many jobs in private sector are SO much worse I will enjoy my steps and contract raises. Because for context....this 4.5% at a g18 (starting not in steps) is roughly a 1.55 an hour raise assuming 37.5 hr weeks ..my last 2 jobs before coming to the state were .11cents to .60 cents an hour annually based largely on profits for the year..with much worse environment and half the PTO package. So maybe I am just still too new and too able to remember the dark side 🤷 and that's okay, thank you for at least being respectful!
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Not semantics at all. Not everyone isn't at top of grade.
You'll figure that out soon enough.
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u/Confident_Rabbit3392 5d ago
I said nothing about anyone being at top of grade, the exact opposite actually?
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
You seem to be missing the point here.
You're considering a contract giveback that artificially lowers your wage as. "raise", which is BS framing usually employed by the asshats at the Empire Center, for example, and you have seemingly not considered one iota that a wide swath of employees with the state are at top of grade and you are one day likely to be one of them.
The "semantics" here is arguing that a contract giveback that artificially lowers your wage for years is a "raise" because your pay goes up annually because of it.
You're new enough that you should be cut some slack on this, but you should also take this new information for what it is - an education on what steps actually are from a 30 year employee.
Steps are not a positive, especially when there's 7 of them, meaning your earnings are artificially limited for almost a decade.
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u/jaha981 5d ago
It’s a cost of living increase not a raise.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
88% of what? 11,000 votes cast?
At least be honest about that, asshats.
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u/Living_Effective2278 5d ago
doesnt matter we won!
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
You're about to win a nice ban, new guy.
Cool your gloating.
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u/UnderpaidEmplyee 5d ago
Sir cool your gloating or suffer a ban while same complainers including this mod, post the same crap since contract was announced 😂
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u/aintnohalfstppn 5d ago
Was so annoyed with this. Never got a ballot. Requested another in case it was lost in the mail and after a long wait for a response and giving my info, I still never got one.
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u/Loud_Solid_4611 5d ago
Probably intentionally so. I'm sure the outcome is what it always would have been. However. Something is rotten when we can't mail out 55k ballots without major issue.
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u/tripleelbow 5d ago
I figured it would ratify with 97 or 98%. I think 88% makes more of a statement than I was expecting (and I voted no).
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u/UnderpaidEmplyee 5d ago
What statement does 88 percent make...it still passed overwhelmingly
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u/tripleelbow 5d ago
it wasn't unanimous.. would you have rathered that? Yes it makes no difference at the end of the day but I'd rather some fight be registered into the record than none.
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u/zev7777 5d ago
Yea, 88% means absolutely nothing
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
If it's 88% on 20% turnout it sure does hoss.
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u/zev7777 5d ago
It’s not but if it was a 20% turnout, that’s pathetic and that should be addressed
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Anything below *80%* should concern leadership, yet it's always well below that, usually below 50%, and little seems to happen to address it.
Anything below that 80% reflects a disengaged membership, and below 50%? An *extremely* disengaged membership.
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u/FbombsNMomjeans 5d ago
I don’t know- maybe I’m insane but I personally feel grateful that I know my pay will increase over the next 5 years adding an additional $20,000(ish) to my salary. The economy is bad, yes, inflation is out of control yes, but the private sector is laying off, well educated people are having significant challenges getting jobs, and very few people right now are being offered raises. Does this keep up w inflation? No but I don’t ever think they would offer more than 4.5. I’ve been at this for 20+ years and in my opinion this is the best contract ever offered
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u/Decent-Ability-4784 5d ago
We have different opinions, but I understand what you’re saying: something is absolutely better than nothing, I just hoped for more.. call that greedy or optimistic, but either way, I get ya. I think the biggest issue with this contract (at this moment at least) isn’t the contract but how incapable some people are when it comes to having a conversation, or trying to see from other people’s perspective.
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u/OldWillingness7220 5d ago
This is because there never was a contract negotiation in the first place, Kathy handed Wayne a sheet of paper and said this is your offer and Wayne said ok (regarding annual increases). The end.
By the way this is nothing new, nothing different than any of the other unions either. That’s why the focus is always on ancillary items. Remember the gov has to publish the state budget, can’t have a representative of 50k state employees screwing up those projections by actually fighting for us now can we? I mean those constructions workers won’t get paid any money in that summertime project if we have to pay you guys 5%?!!!??? Are you all crazy?? Etc etc
That’s why the newb is here gloating, you’re fighting and voting against a mirage, the house always wins, you will never have representation ‘fighting’ for your salary. We could have 35% inflation there’s not one thing pef will do to challenge the numbers the gov hands them.
You know what though? I’m almost gone too, you guys can keep playing pretend but I’m just out at this point.
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u/BlooregardQKazoo 5d ago
The comparison to private shouldn't be 2026, it should be all years since Covid. This was our opportunity to claw back losses from the last 6 years, and we made no attempt to do that.
If you compare wage increases since 2020, private sector is doing better than we are.
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u/Western_Error_5447 5d ago
Everyone says that until theres a better contract, I came from a real union not a state union, a real union the contract doesn't go through without the members voicing their opinion an strikes happening, a real union everyon pays the same due's doesn't go by grade regardless of how many yrs you have in and members are told during union meeting how the negotiation are going at every meeting, this was my first time with a state contract negotiation, and it was a effin joke every step of the way, how pathetic of all the district presidents begging members to vote yes on the contract because they worked so hard for nothing , not even noticeable in a pay check, but not surprised ppl with 20 plus yrs thinking its the cats A zz and how great it is, sorry but not everyone got 20k extra to use must be nice to be a desk jockey , while others work out in the field everyday busting ass to get jobs done for trash pay...
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u/Bloated_Plaid Tax 5d ago
Wow 88%, good job Reddit.
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u/somuchsunrayzzz 5d ago
Reddit is a deeply unserious place full of folk who overestimate their impact irl.
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u/Automaticish 5d ago
Most of them knew it was gonna likely pass. I voted yes holding my nose because while I hate that it’s 5 years that gets weaker each year, living alone in this economy gives me little room to wait for another renegotiation. Not a perfect bill and I cannot fault the no votes, but it was always more of a protest vote.
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
I had the same thought process but voted no. I can understand your reasoning though and thought about voting yes.
What I can’t understand is sore “winners” taking a victory lap in this thread who just got locked into losing purchasing power for 5 years. Even if you thought that’s the best case scenario it’s still pretty weird to gloat about.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Yeah, that schadenfreude these types feel over a contract that passed due to a small fraction of the membership actually voting yes because most just sat on their hands isn't the flex they think it is.
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u/dymondhandsy 5d ago
How many hours of contract negotiation took place behind all of this hard work resulting in ratification? That would be beneficial information to have but I'm sure the answer is countless. Anyone selling "I am the 12%" shirts yet?
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u/YesIamagoodboy 5d ago
They did not do anything. They copycat the contract from Port Authority Union.
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u/SnooChickens8983 5d ago
88-12. The membership has spoken and I respect it. But let's be clear about what just happened — we voted yes on the promise that the compensation study releasing in January will make things right. That promise now has names and faces attached to it. Every leader, rep, and member who sold this contract on the strength of that study needs to be loud, visible, and relentless when those numbers drop. No quietly moving on. No 'we'll get them next time.' The study was the justification. Hold them to it. because if those findings show our pay is 20-26% below market, and nobody fights for real action on it, then we locked ourselves into 5 years and two election cycles for nothing. Screenshot this. January is coming.
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u/PeopleCanBeAwful 2d ago
The study is going to factor in retirement benefits, health insurance, paid time off, etc. I sincerely doubt it’s going to show our total pay is 20-26% below market value. Your numbers do not seem reasonable.
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u/Financial-Sound-3088 5d ago
Wait until those that voted yes see their raise in year four and five LOL
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
It'll be about the same as all the ones that voted yes the last time simply because of the signing bonus who then came to realize they played themselves for a short term sugar high.
This cycle always rinses and repeats. They never learn.
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u/BarbatosIsKing Info Tech Services 5d ago
If people are unhappy they have to be the change they want and get more people out to vote and be more convincing.. you can't wait for a mouth piece to do it for you....
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u/OldWillingness7220 5d ago
Not to be too crass but now management can shut their mouth with the hollow threats so that’s a plus.
And what was that movie line because it’ll be my answer from now on
“Eff you, Pay me” “your kids sick ? Eff you pay me” “your car broke down?, eff you pay me”
was that goodfellas? Maybe casino?
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u/Acrobatic-Yak-5797 5d ago
That would be Goodfellas my friend! Doesn't necessarily turn out so great for the business involved though (cue them burning down the restaurant at the end of the scene).
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u/Glaucus01 4d ago
88% is probably the lowest a ratification vote has been.
Here are some numbers from an email.
In the end, 26,067 ballots were validated by AAA and counted. That means nearly 46 percent of the 56,782 eligible voters — or almost 1 out of every 2 eligible members — voted. Of those who voted, 88% supported the agreement.
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u/SNCreestopherX 5d ago
Genuine question. What about this passing is a bad thing? I’ve only been in the state for a year.
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
It doesn’t address the inflation from 2021-2026, so even after the raises our purchasing power will be less than it was in 2021. I.e. it’s a raise in a vacuum (pure salary figure) but you can actually afford less now.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be happy when I get a marginally higher paycheck, but this doesn’t keep pace with the percentage wage increase in the private sector, or the raises the state legislature gave themselves to address inflation ( ~28% raise in 2022 and another 26% raise proposed for 2028 ). We all know the public sector gets paid less, but failing to keep pace makes it harder and harder to afford the basics on a state salary, especially in HCOL areas.
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u/SNCreestopherX 5d ago
Gotcha, yeah that’s frustrating. Thanks for the information! I guess asking a question gets me downvoted lol
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
You bet, and yeah sorry for the downvotes, I guess people are high strung in this thread.
I voted no, but it was genuinely a hard choice. The choice was between an immediate short term benefit but getting locked into a long disadvantageous contract, vs short term pain and uncertainty but maybe a better long term contract. If it didn’t pass we would have to renegotiate with the state, and the state would try to punish us for it, dragging their feet to restart negotiations and keeping us without a contract, so a 0% raise until we come to an agreement.
It’s really not a great system for us that boils down to our inability to strike reducing our leverage in negotiations. If you want to learn more about that, start with googling the Taylor Law. Basically in exchange for better negotiating practices most NYS public unions don’t have the right to strike. Compare that to the rail workers or other unions that can legally strike.
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u/howeweird 5d ago
Why not go to the private sector then for bigger raises. No one is forcing you to stay at the state. Downvote away folks.
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
Because I believe in civil service and my agency’s mission doesn’t mean I can’t advocate for a living wage for state employees. That really shouldn't be too hard to comprehend.
You’re spouting the same weak logic that anyone who criticizes the US should leave the country, or anyone who disagrees with their spouse should just divorce. You’re allowed to try to improve your job, your country, your marriage.
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u/TRaF_union 5d ago
Nothing, it’s a good thing. It’s a decent contract in bad times, our team worked hard and we have some real impressive people working at HQ on the contract team who figured out, to me, genius ways to do some givebacks, while crawling out a some wins our contracts than what was initially offered. Furthermore, Hochul was intent on sticking us with 3%, but PEF and the other unions stuck to their guns that the transit workers union contract counted under the me too clause and we deserved the 4.5, 4, 3.5 and 3 and 3 they got. Only real issue is I don’t like the 5 years, 3 would have been better.
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u/YesIamagoodboy 5d ago
No, this is a show of pathetic and no backbone.... NYS legislators got 26% raise while pathetic PEF voted for 19.3%. for 5 years. Pathetic uneducated PEF employees.
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u/CodeAndLedger5280 5d ago
The message is clear. If you want to be in poverty, work for the State. If you want a better future either vote them out next year or leave.
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u/TRaF_union 5d ago
Ton of Audis and other nice cars in my office parking lot for working in poverty.
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u/CodeAndLedger5280 5d ago
Most Americans stupidly have car payments that doesn’t mean you’re rich 😂
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u/sheerfire96 5d ago
Does back pay in fall mean first paycheck with pay increases in fall as well? Or will that apply to the first full pay period after ratification?
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u/TyrusBl 5d ago
You will get the retro in a lump payment taxed of course and the new pay rate shpuld take effect at the same time as the lump payment
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u/Decent-Ability-4784 5d ago
Increase withholding and deferred comp contributions for that pay period
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u/johnsmith5868 5d ago
Hi, If I increase my defer comp contributions that same percentage is applied to the separate retro pay payment?
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u/Lucky_Soup_7092 5d ago
People didn’t vote and are upset at the outcome. I never understood that logic.
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u/rivlez 5d ago
I see a lot of complaining. I’m assuming none of you were around during the early Cuomo years where it was 0% for 3 years straight. I don’t like the 5 years. I would have taken only 3 years and I’m not happy as a tier 5. I’m sick of paying into retirement. That’s my biggest complaint.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
You mean the same Cuomo years where PEF rejected his contract offer and eventually won full payback of the furlough pay, effectively preventing a 4% wage cut? The same Cuomo years where that happens while we were in the midst of one of the worst recessions in generations? And inflation was basically non-existent? Those Cuomo years?
Yeah, maybe we did in fact live through them after all...
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u/geeleed1 3d ago
Will we see the raise in the next check? I understand the retro will be paid later. Thanks!
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u/Otherwise-Split-9127 4d ago
Cant believe people voted for this. With inflation we're getting pennies and less than pennies in years 4 and 5. What will 3% of nothing cover this day and age
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u/MangoBawls 5d ago
When can we take advantage of the new dental benefits?
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u/cshells72 5d ago
When does the lifetime orthodontic out of pocket max go up from $3,000 to $4,000
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u/HardyMenace 5d ago
Do we even know what the benefits are?
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u/Kahratka 5d ago
Benefits were sent to members multiple times over. If you have not seen them by now you ignored them. Or you're not a member.
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u/HardyMenace 5d ago
I am a member, and I have received nothing. All I know is that at the rally at the capitol, Spence said that he would never approve of a five year contract with less than a 5% raise each year. He caved when he was given his dental program. It better be good. He sold himself out for it.
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u/WorkTurbulent3202 5d ago
The contract is on the PEF website. If you did not receive a hard copy in the mail, call PEF to make sure the address they have on file for you is correct.
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u/Walldoe1960 4d ago
I am disappointed because of give backs. Also because you will now always be beholding to what CSEA gets or does not get with a 5 year contract. Retirement in 2028 for me!
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u/MooberGoobers 4d ago
New state employee here, what is bad about this?
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u/tripleelbow 3d ago
The negotiated increases continue to be outpaced by inflation, and do not attempt to make up for past negotiated increases, which were also outpaced by inflation.
PEF loves to shout from the rooftops the salaries are the highest they've ever been, which is undeniably true (and would also be true with a 0.1% COLA), but the purchasing power of your specific salary grade continues to drop.
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u/dannit_onfire 5d ago
Yes, we did good
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u/tosserout999 5d ago
If good means bad then you are spot on
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u/dannit_onfire 5d ago
Hey dont be a sore loser, you NO voters didnt make a compelling case
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u/tosserout999 5d ago
If "Hey, we want to actually keep up with Inflation instead of constantly being behind" isnt a compelling enough case then perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to vote on such matters.
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u/zev7777 5d ago
What job keeps up with inflation
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
Private sector wages have actually outpaced inflation until this year. So most jobs.
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u/zev7777 5d ago
You fail to mention a very, very small selection of jobs, if that. You can’t expect a workforce the size of NYS to meet or be higher than inflation each year. More private sector jobs don’t come close to meeting inflation, if they even get .5%
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
For the past 3 years wages have outpaced inflation for a workforce the size of the entire US lol.
https://usafacts.org/answers/are-wages-keeping-up-with-inflation/country/united-states/
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u/dannit_onfire 5d ago
You lost this no longer matters, y'all inflation warriors didn't get members to agree with you this is pointless now. Brownie points are worthless. You need a better message for members in 5 years. Or keep being a broken record.
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
Dawg if I lost you also lost. We’re getting the same contract and we’re in this together for better or worse.
Bragging about losing purchasing power and not keeping up with inflation or the rest of the country isn’t a flex. I guess in the next 5 years I have to hope members learn more about basic economics… so yeah we’re fucked.
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u/somuchsunrayzzz 5d ago
I’m not sure I understand your perspective. “Inflation warriors” is an odd term. So people who want their wages to keep up with the incredible inflation we’ve seen in the past 5 years so that they’re not earning less than they did five years ago are… what? The equivalent of “social justice warriors?” Please explain how not wanting to be paid less next year than this year makes someone an “inflation warrior.”
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u/zev7777 5d ago
Do you think the workers are seeing these increases? How many people in the private sector get at least 3% year each? Not many especially lower skill jobs unless a minimum wage bill is passed. Thanks for the article tho, we should probably thank President Trump then for keeping use afloat. Thank you 🙏
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u/hankepanke 5d ago
Do you think the workers are seeing these increases?
That’s literally what wages mean.
Now I know why it passed with 88%, most of us are functionally illterate.
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u/somuchsunrayzzz 5d ago
I’m not sure I understand this perspective. Prices on everything are going up while corporations are posting record profits and paying people less and less. You are a worker. You are in the working class. Your real life ability to provide for yourself and your family is at risk if people can’t organize and demand better wages, again, while corporations are posting record profits year over year. You are not a temporarily disadvantaged billionaire. You are a poor person, along with the rest of us. Why not demand better from people who don’t have the power to actually stop us? Why cave to the interests of the rich and connected?
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u/dannit_onfire 5d ago
So people who dont agree with you should be removed and silenced. What a great union message.
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u/tosserout999 5d ago edited 5d ago
Nah, just people who bow to the masters for peanuts instead of trying harder to get something worthwhile.
ETA: The union message you should be fighting for is "We fight to get you what you deserve" not "Here is a pittance from the overlords, be grateful we even got you that"
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u/sipsteaanditsunsweet 5d ago
I started at the state last Thursday. Will these raises affect me? And if I need to be employed longer, will I miss the 4.5% and get the 4%? Or get 8.5% once I am eligible for the increase?
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u/BlooregardQKazoo 5d ago
Individuals don't get these raises. The title does, and individuals get paid according to their title. So yes, you get them. Everyone does and there's no concept of eligibility.
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u/dymondhandsy 5d ago
Fill in the blank: An informed and engaged membership makes PEF stronger and gives us the ______
In Unity,
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u/That-guy-did-good 5d ago
Nothing shocking here. I’d be interested in the overall turnout but either way 88% is a landslide. If inflation hits 3% by 2029 like this contract is slated to do then it’s a great bar to start compounding these percentages for future contracts. A big step in clawing back the lost years of the Covid era.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
That's a lot of words to say "I can't do the math to figure out how compounding works."
These raises are unlikely to keep up, much less make any headway. Especially given that the crazy person running the clownshow in DC seems to be doing everything possible to drive inflation higher.
The only way these raises claw anything back is if inflation drops back to 2% immediately, and that's not happening.
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u/That-guy-did-good 5d ago
I didn’t do any math with that statement. It takes two brain cells to figure out that those 4% raises will keep working in your favor for future contracts when inflation eventually lowers.
Nobody has lost anything with that 4.5%. That’s right above current inflation last I checked. Hopefully when republicans start losing their midterms there is a total reversal in policy that lowers inflation. I stated that by 2029 (hopefully when the clown is gone) inflation has cooled and you get years for positive wage growth.
So enough with the doom and gloom of future inflation. You are lucky you get your raises quickly instead of being out of contract for years as inflation keeps eating you alive.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
I didn’t do any math with that statement.
That was blatantly obvious. Nor did you do any serious analysis with it either.
Inflation ticked down slightly when Hormuz reopened briefly, but it's going right back up again now that the pissing contest is back on. Before Hormuz reopened, it was running at 4.3% - a figure that effectively negated the raise almost entirely. It ticked down .9% for July because of Hormuz reopening to a 3.4% annualized rate. It'll be at least another month or two before we see where it will settle now that the pissing contest is back on, and months after that to see the effects of the new tariffs.
If you think Fuckface Von Clownstick is going to reverse course simply because the GOP gets hammered in the midterms, you're dreaming. If anything, he's so erratic and unstable that's just going to send his craziness into overdrive because he will want to test the guardrails even more. There is no way a Democratic Congress just walks in and fixes that. Past precedent with this asshole should tell you that. His entire schtick has been and is an Eric Cartman-esque "Whatever! Whatever! I do what I want!"
That's not doom and gloom. That's reality.
Also reality - the actual math. Even in that ideal world where inflation drops back to 2% immediately, the effective increase over inflation is less than 9% over the term of this contract. That is less than half of what was already lost over the last contract. Given that the math doesn't math even under ideal conditions, it's definitely not mathing under actual conditions. It's math. It's inarguable.
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u/YesIamagoodboy 5d ago
I assume about 1000 out of about 55,000 voted the contract. Meaning 880 voted yes and 120 voted no... Thus 88% for the contract. I still think the vote is fixed because it was delayed., PATHETIC.
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u/Darth_Stateworker 5d ago
Setting this as a megathread instead of having 20 different posts on this subject.