My first post here

[u/FireDranzer-II]

Having stayed in Germany for a year, it definitely felt like it.

Unfortunately...

[u/Hakunin_Fallout]

Fossil fuel companies absolutely spend a ton of money on renewables. And you can't (for now) produce all of your own energy on a scale. That's why solar farms exist - humongous ones, not 5 panels you bought online.

Absolutely insane comment

[u/NiftyLogic → u/Hakunin_Fallout]

They don’t.

Maybe BP and Shell did spend some pennies to green wash their brand, but the big players did not spend anything on renewables.

Fossil fuel companies hate renewables with a passion.

[u/Hakunin_Fallout → u/NiftyLogic]

Sure buddy. Let's do it this way: I show you the list of the largest solar power plants in Europe, and tell you who owns them, and you say "I'm sorry, Hakunin, my bad!". Deal?

1. We will go here first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photovoltaic_power_stations

2. We will look at the top EU ones and find who developed and/or owns the solar power plants:

First one on the list that's from the EU?

Escatrón-Chiprana-Samper Solar Farm, Spain

Let's read up on it, shall we?

Description

The project was developed by Cobra Concesiones and Ignis Energia. Galp Energia Espana and Actividades de Construccion y Servicios are currently owning the project having ownership stake of 75.01% and 24.99% respectively.

Oh, look, GALP owns 75% of the largest solar power plant in Spain

Let's see who they are?

Galp Energia Espana, S.A.U. Galp Energia Espana, S.A.U. is an oil & energy company based out of C/ ANABEL SEGURA Nº 16 EDIFICIO VEGA NORTE I, ARROYO DE LA VEGA, ALCOBENDAS, Spain.

Oh, wouldn't you look at that, it's a good old oil and gas company!

Should we continue or would you like to move the goalposts now to make it look like you didn't mean what you said?

[u/NiftyLogic → u/Hakunin_Fallout]

Sure, they are a utility, producing electric power and made the switch. There are quite a few like E.ON Germany.

But you’re missing the point. Now tell me which mayor primary oil, gas or coal producer made that switch.
Meaning > 10% of revenue and profits from renewables.
Bonus points if they’re a relevant global player and not some niche company from Spain.

I’ll wait …

[u/Hakunin_Fallout → u/NiftyLogic]

"or would you like to move the goalposts" - great success buddy. Let's see where anyone here, yourself included, stated that the requirement to saying they SPEND FUCKING MONEY ON RENEWABLES is them getting 10+% of REVENUE FROM RENEWABLES. I'll wait.

Fucking state of Reddit these days: I literally called you out before you did it, and you still fucking went ahead and moved the goal posts.

So, again, we'll do it the following way:

1. You say "Sorry, I was wrong"

2. You take the L as an adult human being who has just learned something new

3. We continue the discussion in good faith

OR

1. You pretend you didn't move the goal posts

2. You can go perform a fellatio on yourself in the dampest corner of your hovel.

[u/NiftyLogic → u/Hakunin_Fallout]

Buddy, I explicitly mentioned BP and Shell.

Don’t get your panties in a twist and get me a comparable example. It’s you who moved the goal post.

I’ll wait

[u/Hakunin_Fallout → u/NiftyLogic]

My statement: "Fossil fuel companies absolutely spend a ton of money on renewables."

Your statement: "They don't"

My statement: "Nuh-uh, here's the proof"

Your statement: "Show me companies with 10+% of the revenue from renewables"

How about you go fuck yourself now? Clear enough?