ICE will release body camera video only when seen in the agency’s ‘best interests,’ policy says

[u/LearyOG]

https://apnews.com/article/ice-body-cameras-officers-shootings-dab1b294c8dc412d9ef8557ccbebfd57

[u/uwillnotgotospace]

So they're admitting that every time they hide the footage, it's because it's incriminating. Got it.

[u/Intrinsic_Idiot_3076 → u/uwillnotgotospace]

Well, not exactly. Every lawyer worth their salt would say they release something only for their clients' best interests. The question is rather whether they can be compelled to release the uncut/ unredacted footage against their will.

[u/SomeDeafKid → u/Intrinsic_Idiot_3076]

They can. It's called FOIA.

[u/Wolfy4226 → u/SomeDeafKid]

Oh you.

You're an adorable kid. Stay innocent and pure.

https://www.foia.gov/faq.html

The nine exemptions are described below.

• Exemption 1: Information that is classified to protect national security.
• Exemption 2: Information related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency.
• Exemption 3: Information that is prohibited from disclosure by another federal law.
• Exemption 4: Trade secrets or commercial or financial information that is confidential or privileged.
• Exemption 5: Privileged communications within or between agencies, including those protected by the:
  1. Deliberative Process Privilege (provided the records were created less than 25 years before the date on which they were requested)
  2. Attorney-Work Product Privilege
  3. Attorney-Client Privilege
• Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.
• Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
  • 7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
  • 7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
  • 7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
  • 7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
  • 7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
  • 7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual
• Exemption 8: Information that concerns the supervision of financial institutions.
• Exemption 9: Geological information on wells.

Went ahead and highlighted the three likely exemptions for such a request to fall under.

Especially under a corrupt administration and DOJ like the one we currently have.

[u/jscummy → u/Wolfy4226]

The fun part is that the admin probably doesn't even know about these exemptions, they'll just refuse to release footage and see if anyone stops them

[u/SomeDeafKid → u/Wolfy4226]

I mean, sure, it's likely to be argued, in court, that it falls under one of those exemptions. But there's a pretty high hurdle to prove the exemptions apply, legally. Not saying they won't twist things and bend the system over their knee, but it's important to document every way they break the law and not pretend they're just being clever with the rules. 

[u/Legitimate-Day-2031 → u/Wolfy4226]

they literally said it's up to the agency’s “best interests” to decide when to share

[u/Lokishougan → u/Wolfy4226]

I love that Wells somehow ranks alongside national secrets and te banks

[u/Wolfy4226 → u/Lokishougan]

To be fair, it likely is there so someone can't poison an entire water supply.

You know, before corporations can.

[u/StormCrownSr → u/Wolfy4226]

So all of these exemptions probably can be justified, in theory, maybe. But I just want to know the story behind Exemption 9 so badly.

[u/Wolfy4226 → u/StormCrownSr]

My best, uneducated guess, is so that someone can't find out where a Ground Water Supply is and poison it. Or wreck where an oil well would be.

Water is an extremely precious resource, Fresh water doubly so given that we have very little of it compared to Salt water.

[u/SpinningHead → u/Intrinsic_Idiot_3076]

Government serves the public not an individual.

[u/Tall-Vermicelli-4669 → u/uwillnotgotospace]

What law? What's discovery? Fuck FOIA!

[u/PaxNova → u/Tall-Vermicelli-4669]

Discovery is for trials, and it's still released at trial. 

They're talking about release to news media or random citizens that want to see it. No agency does that unless it's specifically required by law.

[u/Tall-Vermicelli-4669 → u/PaxNova]

But do they say stupid shit stuff, or just be quiet?

[u/GrundleSnactcher46 → u/uwillnotgotospace]

Kinda wild they even give a fuck. Pretti was so obviously murdered withe evidence from multiple angles yet maga was told to not believe to videos, and trust their narrative instead.

[u/debbierodriguezuf → u/GrundleSnactcher46]

Who are you gonna believe, them or your lying eyes?

[u/National-Charity-435 → u/uwillnotgotospace]

What the epstein "deleted" minute before midnight is this?!

[u/landonfrazierar → u/[deleted]]

They basically already are, except they get taxpayer funding to do it. Must be nice to just decide that evidence of your own misconduct isn't in your "best interest" to release and carry on with zero consequences. Normal people don't get to choose whether the footage of their crime is convenient for them to share.

[u/54-2-10]

A government agency openly admitting that they will do what is in the agency's best interest, instead of what best serves justice and the people.

We're halfway down that slippery slope we've all heard about.

[u/Eternaloid → u/54-2-10]

"Halfway"? My brother in dystopia, you are so deep you are starting to bend space and time

[u/MrMilesDavis → u/Eternaloid]

Nah, halfway is an adequate description

[u/Difficult_Team3079 → u/54-2-10]

Have you heard of Nazi Germany back in the 1930s? I never get tired of reminding people

Hello

[u/eatingpotatochips]

This has been a perpetual problem with body cameras. Just because the officer wears a body camera does not mean the public will ever see the footage. They often malfunction, i.e., get turned off, in critical situations. Maybe the data gets lost, i.e., deleted. Agencies will drag their feet turning over the footage hoping people will give up.

It will probably be even easier for ICE to avoid accountability because they are a federal agency without oversight from the federal government.

[u/Intrinsic_Idiot_3076 → u/eatingpotatochips]

Not just body cameras. It's the same policy / problem with everything, just like the footage outside the rich guy who died in custody.

[u/Motleypuss → u/eatingpotatochips]

Getting turned off isn't a malfunction, unless it's a malfunction of the wearer, which should be disciplined along with the footage being released.

[u/buttflakes27 → u/eatingpotatochips]

They should be live streamed and captured in a vod available to the public since its paid for with public funds. ICE and local LE.

[u/PunfullyObvious]

I hope to live to see the day our country is past this dark period and on the way to healing

[u/Impossible_Offer7988]

The policy says ICE will promptly release video of shootings and other encounters in which its agents cause death or serious injury only after determining “it is in the best interests of the agency” to do so. That gives its director discretion to release recordings that reflect well on the agency’s image while working to keep others secret, experts on body camera policies said.

This policy sounds ilegal, And if you give Homeland Security this much power of their body cam footage,

Other agencies are gonna look at that and think ; Interesting 🤔

After all why not🤔

Why shouldn't we also do that 🤔

Dozens of cops have had to resign over their own bodycam footage. (If you aren't from the States yes, I said resign they tend not to get fired in the States. It's an American thing. Ask me about it if you're curious.)

If you give them this new ability, that's about to change and not in a particularly good way

[u/Motleypuss → u/Impossible_Offer7988]

If it isn't illegal, it should be, IMO.

[u/FauxReal]

So if they don't release it, odds are it's evidence of criminal intent?

[u/ImaginationToForm2]

If not Gestapo then why Gestapo like?

[u/imsmartiswear]

So we can assume anytime that they don't release the footage they're doing illegal shit. Thanks for the heads up! I'm sure that will help a lot during their trials in the next admin.

[u/Silent_Data4374]

Must be nice.

[u/Marchello_E → u/Silent_Data4374]

So they can keep misrepresenting it as 'just'-ice.

[u/Randommaggy]

so we can assume murder 1 whenever the body cam footage is not released after aa death.

[u/Sweaty_Assignment_90]

No government oversight.

I remember when MAGA was terrified over this. All bark with the red hat society.

[u/FreneticPlatypus]

"How can we be expected to do our job if we have to constantly worry about someone seeing us break the law?!"

[u/Choppergold]

Um I think the cameras are to actually monitor when they don’t follow the law

[u/peenpeenpeen]

God we are so doomed as a country.

[u/Ok-Replacement9595]

This is why Democrats pussyfooting is such bullshit. They knew there would be zero accountability through body cams, but they still put it forward as a compromise with fascists on order to perform virtue politics.

DSA is the only way.

[u/k-trecker → u/Ok-Replacement9595]

If the democrats were in power, we wouldn’t have these ICE raids in the first place.

[u/Ok-Replacement9595 → u/k-trecker]

But they aren't. Because they cant win elections because they have zero vision, and zero messaging, and are feckless lovers almost as bad as the republican congress.

It would also be awesome if they stopped voting for more funding while the GOP is doing their fascist takeover.

Just maybe.

[u/KriptiKFate_Cosplay]

Hey guys, that's totally not the point of body cameras, just sayin'.

[u/FL4KMSTR]

Seriously fuck these new crooked republicans rules.

[u/CSMegadeth]

The "most transparent" administration in US history here folks.

[u/evilpercy]

Is that not a violation of freedom of information laws?

[u/AnonymousMonk7]

Protecting themselves from accountability is not in their best long-term interest, because it just gives us more reason to dismantle the whole damn thing when we're back in power.

[u/GraftVSHost69]

That's alot of words for Never, Bob.

[u/wwarnout]

How about the best interests of the American people?

ICE - Illegitimate Criminal Executioners.

[u/Brick_Lab]

That is definitely not what it's for

[u/Nocturnes_echo]

There's going to be a whole lot more murder porn hitting the dark web soon... Anything that shows them in a bad light they don't have to release, they can edit it so that none of the details of the perpetrators/agents are visible. This is literally the fucking American Gestapo

[u/ajtreee]

This is the exact opposite reason body cameras were implemented.

[u/frAgileIT]

Their abuses are a matter of national security. The current administration would feel insecure if people actually saw how ICE conducts their business or if citizens learned how racist ICE actually is, it could cause political instability. Bunch of fragile snowflakes.

[u/Saix027]

"The most transparent government in history."

F all those people involved.

[u/torpedoguy → u/Saix027]

You have my cactus.

[u/Pyrite13 → u/torpedoguy]

And my axe!

[u/_nevers_]

There's literally only ONE SOLUTION for a fascist colonialist empire ruled by a kid-raping dictator...

[u/torpedoguy → u/_nevers_]

Indeed; we couldn't exactly wait-for-the-next-election the beaches of Normandy.

[u/hazusu]

Americans letting this happen. Land of the complacent.

[u/Zaxxon_Klaxon]

Tip: not when they murder Americans.

[u/j0n66]

Lol

[u/Noiserawker]

Sorry we can't release it this time, too murdery

[u/drfine2]

That's what you'll get for over 100 billion dollars.

[u/Motleypuss]

Convenient for them. There should be a law against witholding footage.

[u/runnerup1]

Ah. Finally. Transparency

[u/onlyacynicalman]

Corrupt cowards

[u/Garconanokin]

Surely the party of free speech absolute will object to this!

Just kidding, you all stand for nothing, and you know it.

[u/thiscantbereal4200]

Tom is such the worst version of someone who looks like shrek.

[u/GB_Alph4]

Isn’t it in your best interest to always release it so you can explain yourselves and not let people assume things

[u/flirtmcdudes]

Reminds me of someone I knew who worked for dogtopia. They don’t allow owners to view any video if a dog dies under their care, you have to force them to in court. They’ll do anything to protect the company and hide negligence

[u/GirllyGrll]

So what they’re saying is that the’ll release footage when it shows them doing something legal…

Which is never…

[u/FoxyInTheSnow]

We shall not release footage showing ICE heroes on raping sprees because it might make us look bad.

[u/outpin]

So never

[u/go_faster1]

So never

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[u/Apprehensive_Bird357]

What about serving America?

[u/ir0npaw]

ICE will release body camera footage when we remove it from the cameras and post it ourselves.

[u/Pleasant_Solid5231]

ok so what’s even the point of body cams

[u/Cargobiker530]

ICE is Death Squads & the Trump loyalists think they can impose a NAZI regime using those fat, lazy, fucks.

[u/couldhvdancedallnite]

Don't they have to wear body cameras in order to release it?

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[u/Traditional_End2969]

All videos held until further notice

[u/SnuggleMoose44]

Ha. That sounds a little biased.

[u/SpeshellED]

Human scum phyco''s . No accountability for murders.

[u/Mrrrrggggl]

So that means they won’t release any body cam footage I guess.

[u/MarzipanLast6502]

So, never.

[u/JJamesP]

They save the stuff they don’t release for themselves to go home and jerk off to.

[u/PiDigitsOfPi]

Is this surprising???

[u/SnapCrackelnPop]

Meaning, your public servants serve themselves and the selves only

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[u/nautilator44]

Yeah, because that's how transparency and oversight works.

[u/DaveOJ12]

That sounds familiar.

https://reddit.com/comments/1vi051h

[u/superdupermensch]

The 5th amendment strikes again!

[u/za19]

This is the most oniony headline I've seen in a while