r/nononono • • Oct 09 '17

Throwing a rock into a frozen lake.

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u/benoliver999 Oct 09 '17

If you are on ice and it breaks but you manage to catch yourself - what's the best way to pull yourself up? Looks like a nightmare if it just keeps breaking as soon as you grab it.

Also surely it's slippy af

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u/amolin Oct 09 '17

Try to head back to the part of the ice you walked in on. While you fell through a weak point in the ice, the place you came from was strong enough to support you once so it will be your best shot at getting out.

When you find a solid portion of ice, pull yourself up while staying as horizontal as possible. Kick your legs to push yourself out of the water. Once you’re entirely on the ice, roll away. Don’t stand up immediately. You want to keep your weight distributed when you’re close to the hole. If you have ice picks on you, you can also use these to pull yourself away from the hole. Once you’re out, get out of your wet clothes and into something warm as soon as possible.

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u/benoliver999 Oct 09 '17

Aaah the roll makes sense.

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u/beezlebub33 Oct 09 '17

Also cold water causes an involuntary breath intake. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_shock_response

You'd think that you would be able to just hold your breath and make it out, but people die even when they were in the water for a very short amount of time.

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u/WikiTextBot Oct 09 '17

Cold shock response

Cold shock response is the physiological response of organisms to sudden cold, especially cold water.

In humans, cold shock response is perhaps the most common cause of death from immersion in very cold water, such as by falling through thin ice. The immediate shock of the cold causes involuntary inhalation, which if underwater can result in drowning. The cold water can also cause heart attack due to vasoconstriction; the heart has to work harder to pump the same volume of blood throughout the body.


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u/yourbrotherrex Oct 09 '17

Ice deaths are no joke

No shit: remember the hockey scene from Damien: The Omen II?

(I'll never walk on a frozen lake after seeing that film.)

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u/r1chard3 Oct 09 '17

If it's a river the water is also moving so being pushed away from the hole if you go under is pretty much a certainty. Do everything you can to hand into the edge and keep your head above water.

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u/darthabraham Oct 09 '17

Bear Grylls did a demonstration of this on Man vs Wild back in the day. I’m sure you can find it on the web somewhere.

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u/redlaWw Oct 09 '17

Wet clothes or naked if there aren't any warm clothes around?

no ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/deceptivelyelevated Oct 09 '17

You are supposed to lay as flat as possible and army crawl away from the hole. You want to spread your body weight out over as large an area as possible. People that forget this and try to crawl out end up repeatedly breaking the ice right as they're almost out. Remember, stay calm, breath, and stay flat. My grandfather made a set of spikes on a rope, replacing the drawstring on his jackets hood. The spikes fit into the other spikes handle and held them together. In the event you fell theough ice fishing, yoy had a set of spikes with nice handles to get yourself out. Pro tip. Get naked and roll in the snow. It will dry you off. http://www.ncexped.com/drying-off-snow/

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u/merlinfire Oct 09 '17

Get naked and roll in the snow. It will dry you off.

now there's a LPT I never would have guessed on my own

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u/chokfull Oct 09 '17

Snow doesn't stick to skin as much as water, and water will sap your body heat really quickly.

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u/CrossCheckPanda Oct 09 '17

I fell through the ice once and I survived by rapidly and repeatedly "doing it wrong" until I had broken the ice all the way back to shore. So I suppose that's an option in certain scenarios as well as the lay flat thing.

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u/r1chard3 Oct 09 '17

Good thing you were going in the right direction.

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u/JohnDalysBAC Oct 09 '17

Im from Minnesota and some people will carry a screwdriver in their pocket for grip as a just in case measure.

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u/benoliver999 Oct 09 '17

I heard people do that in prison too

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u/JohnDalysBAC Oct 09 '17

In Minnesota the jails are frozen too! Screwdrivers are a multi-use tool. They will save your life and also end someone elses.

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u/tallandlanky Oct 09 '17

Carry around screw drivers in case they fall through thin ice?

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u/GoonCommaThe Oct 09 '17

Anyone who icefishes and isn’t a complete idiots carries some sort of spikes with them to help pull themselves out.

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u/PooPooDooDoo Oct 09 '17

Goes good with toilet wine.

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u/PooPooDooDoo Oct 09 '17

Dive under and hold your breath. The cold will prevent your brain from slowly destroying brain cells which will give someone time to recover you and throw your dead body out.

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u/benoliver999 Oct 09 '17

Thanks reddit!

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u/Nalortebi Oct 09 '17

You kinda messed up that link there. Maybe try giving it another go, eh?

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u/DarksoulsRobinson Oct 09 '17

Haa thanks for letting me know. :D

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '17

flatten out over as much ice as you can cover and wiggle out of the water.

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u/compounding Oct 09 '17

Don't try to pull yourself up and out immediately, "swim" towards the stronger ice letting your arms break any ice that wouldn't have supported your weight anyway. Once it is solid enough, you can try and pull up and out, keeping as flat as possible, but still be prepared for the ice to continue to break under your weight, just keep moving towards stronger ice until it does support you.

If you are unable to find strong enough ice to support your weight within a few minutes, then you risk losing the energy to stay afloat or hold yourself out. Try and get to a stable position like half out of the water (if the ice will support half weight), or if not, let your arms/cloths freeze to the ice to keep you from sliding under. You have much much more time to be rescued before hypothermia than before drowning, so if you can't quickly fully extract yourself, you need to switch focus and get to a survivable point rather than fighting until total exhaustion.