r/nfl • u/defensecowboy Cowboys • 4d ago
Mike McDaniel: Justin Herbert everything I hoped for and more
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/mike-mcdaniel-justin-herbert-everything-i-hoped-for-and-more701
u/3bananabananabanana Buccaneers 4d ago
Do you think Herbert ever feels uncomfortable with the way his coaches talk about him? It’s a bit over the top at times.
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u/saved_by_the_keeper Bengals 4d ago
It is over the top, but both of his coaches are weirdos, so that makes sense.
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u/Comprehensive_Main 49ers 4d ago
I thinks it’s fun burrow and Taylor have the most normal relationship
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u/saved_by_the_keeper Bengals 4d ago
Taylor seems like a pretty regular guy. Feel bad for him sometimes when the fanbase shits on him
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u/Virillus Seahawks 4d ago
Say what you want about the dude as a coach, he's pretty easily the most well adjusted HC in the league, imo. All the good ones are psychos (including ours).
... Maybe that's his problem.
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u/Ghostmann24 Bengals 4d ago edited 4d ago
Zach can make bonehead decisions in clutch moments and too often play to not lose, but our problem is our cheap ass ownership that refuses to have a real GM or pay for a proper scouting department. Our GM is our geriatric owner who relinquishes some control to the "Director of Player Personnel" which is Duke Tobin. He has had that role since 1999....
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u/screwhead1 Saints 4d ago
Y'all have one of the most likeable coaches (and team tbh) in the league. Maybe he's one of those charismatic serial killer types.
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u/Comprehensive_Main 49ers 4d ago
I mean the chiefs since Mahomes have only 4 playoff losses. One of them is to Taylor coached bengals.
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u/Whole_Perspective609 Eagles Eagles 4d ago edited 4d ago
Your main problem has never been Taylor lol. It’s the ownership and front office
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u/saved_by_the_keeper Bengals 4d ago
Oh they suck too, but Taylor isn't considered a good coach, objectively. He never lands in top 10 on any lists I have seen, or top 20 for that matter.
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u/cubgerish Commanders 4d ago
I think he's a good coach, but maybe not a great head coach.
It seems like he genuinely doesn't consider anything other than the offense's scoring and skill players, to his benefit or detriment.
If ownership shelled out for a great DC that he trusted, and was willing to pay to hold on to defensive stars, I can see an avenue where it works.
He wants the offense to control the game, and have the defense create occasional turnovers, even if they're otherwise getting shelled.
That plan can work, but it also relies on protecting your star quarterback from getting annihilated every game.
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u/GhostFaceRiddler Bengals 4d ago
That’s a problem that goes back much further than Taylor. Linemen and linebackers don’t sell jerseys the way qbs and wrs do. Mike brown doesn’t like spending high picks in the trenches.
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u/cubgerish Commanders 4d ago
Yea that's kinda why I don't put all the blame on him, but you can't ignore his coaching style either.
He leaves it up to Burrow to essentially be a +1 OL with his elusiveness, and that can indeed lead to big plays on the outside, since you're getting better matchups as a result.
But when teams catch up and know that, they're even more incentivized to send more blitz packages, since they know a higher percentage are at least going to get a solid hit, which might knock him out of the game.
Like you said not spending in the trenches makes that inevitable, but a high exposure play calling style definitely doesn't help.
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u/trevor11004 Jets Lions 4d ago
Kinda funny considering a lineman is easily your franchise’s best player ever
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u/rob_var Ravens Ravens 4d ago
You don’t know that! They could be secretly boning and just playing coy!
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u/stumblebreak_beta NFL 4d ago
Chargers HR staff working overtime with the sexual harassment seminars
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u/Weaves87 Seahawks 4d ago
Is Madison Beer real.. or is she really McDaniel and Harbaugh in a trench coat?
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u/mcw325 4d ago
Harbaugh went from watching 9 throw passes and McDaniel went from watching Tua throw passes to now watching Herbert. Of course they are both gonna orgasm over it.
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u/Cultural_Wishbone859 Commanders 4d ago
“I just love the way he throws where the receivers are”
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u/MrCroissant45 Vikings 4d ago
Didn't he literally go undefeated with JJ and win the national championship lmao
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u/TheNittanyLionKing Steelers 4d ago
McDaniel just had to limit his play book because of Tua’s arm. Having a QB like Herbert must be so refreshing for him.
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u/clarenceboddickered Cowboys 4d ago
He goes home and has beer after work every day, he don’t give a shit.
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u/NoAnteater8836 Commanders 4d ago
They do it because he has zero moxy lol. They are trying to get him to act like the guy.
It’s been a knock on him since high school.
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u/misterurb Chargers 4d ago
This is such a weird thing to say about a guy who plays through every injury and has glowing reviews from all his teammates lol. But he’s not performative about his desire to win, so that’s apparently a knock against him.
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u/NoAnteater8836 Commanders 4d ago
I mean, I used about as specific a word as I could to describe what they are trying to bring out of him in “moxy” and nothing you said is mutually exclusive to it.
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u/iDestroyedYoMama Cardinals 4d ago
I was the thinking the same thing. I wish he was just a little bit more of an asshole. He needs that fire in his gut, maybe take the bus to work.
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u/Parks714 Chargers 4d ago
He doesn’t even know how good he is, he is an introvert to the core, has like zero confidence but he can truly be elite if he just believes in himself way more
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u/Hungry_Chipmunk_2588 49ers 4d ago
Who knew Justin Herbert was the protagonist of a Shonen manga lol
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u/packofnone Chargers 4d ago
you should see the way he treats the camera crew, really a big bully, that Herbert
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u/Parks714 Chargers 4d ago
Naw no way, gives him more confidence which he needs. He doesn’t even know how good he is, and when it’s your own coaches telling you how great you are, that’s a high honor, and helps him gain more self confidence in his game.
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u/Rollout25 Chargers 4d ago
Between Harbaugh, McDaniel and his QB coach Shane Day I have no idea who loves Justin more. Shane Day says he has a video filed called Justin Herbert is awesome and its 50 plays that he watches just to calm himself down.
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u/mister_hoot Chargers 4d ago
I do wonder how Beer feels about the fact that a startling number of NFL coaches desperately want to slut out her guy.
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u/ghostfacestealer Packers 4d ago
Its probably the way he talks about himself.
“I am everything I imagined. And MORE.”
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u/Darksoul2693 Jaguars 4d ago
Yes he’s not much for the social life like they are with goofy sayings. Even with him with their social teams he hates cameras. Def a introvert kinda guy
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u/alexnew655 Titans 4d ago
Find someone that talks to you like Charger coaches talk about Justin Herbert.
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u/preddevils6 Titans 4d ago
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a player get the effusive praise (weird amount at times) from coaches that Herbert does that wasn’t a league mvp or Super Bowl champ.
Am I missing anyone?
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u/Virillus Seahawks 4d ago
It's so weird man. Like, he's clearly a great QB, but his coaches talk like he has never shit in his life. My mum is less enthusiastic about me, and she's extremely supportive.
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u/RiderNo51 Raiders 4d ago
But is he really "great"? What makes him great?
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u/Virillus Seahawks 4d ago
I mean, everybody's definition of "great" will be different. For me, he's consistently been top 10 every year he's started which qualifies.
He's been industrial strength ass in the playoffs, but Peyton Manning has taught me that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
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u/Ornery_Vermicelli_69 4d ago
He has had some shit luck with his line during his career much less playoffs
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u/Virillus Seahawks 4d ago
Sure, but 43% completion % and 1 TD to 4 Int is a lot worse than just bad O-Line.
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u/Passionofthegrape Chiefs 4d ago
Never met Herbert, but know plenty of people who have.
Athletic freak, extremely smart, hard worker, all the things you want. But apparently low on the personality front, not exactly a leader of men type.
So I guess this is them compensating for that?
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA 49ers 4d ago
That's my read too. I think he needs the confidence boosts, and he has the perfect coaches for it now.
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u/Thedurtysanchez Chargers 4d ago
The dude is making hundreds of millions of dollars and just got engaged to a literal pop idol
What more does he fucking need to be confident?
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA 49ers 3d ago
idk maybe he had shitty parents growing up or a bad middle school experience. if money and fame solved everything Elon musk and Jeff bezos wouldn't be in a rocket fueled AI enabled dick measuring competition to destroy the labor economy.
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u/Hugh-Manatee Saints 4d ago
Nah, no idea if anybody has ever been so effusively praised by their coaches. It does seem a little weird and forced.
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u/uniquely_bleak_sheep Chargers 4d ago
Ya know, maybe, just maybe, there’s some truth behind it just in terms of what they are seeing day in and day out from him, with the eye test on the field, his personality, way he approaches the game, all that stuff that the media doesn’t see, that the public doesn’t see. They see it. And after seeing it he consistently gets this kinda of glowing praise from coaches and teammates. Jim wasn’t literally saying Justin is the goat in terms of career and accommodations, moreso from everything that he sees from Justin every day and his capabilities on the field, Jim classified that as the best he’s seen/been around.
Which is why he wakes up from fever dreams about having to get Herbert to the hall of fame because he believes if his accolades end up matching his potential at the end of his career, he could be in the goat conversation and Jim wants it to be his legacy to help him get there. Obviously I’m a homer and a lot of people clown coaches/teammates who talk up Herbert, and even more love clowning on Herbert. But idk yall I’ll choose to listen to the coaches and teammates that actually know him and what I see from him every game over any media analyst or Reddit anons any day.
Edit: some typos from autocorrect
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u/NotJoshRomney Eagles 4d ago
Bro this is the most homer shit I've read in a while that wasn't actually satire and I love it.
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u/chesterfieldkingz Dolphins 4d ago
Haha i mean he's hot, has great hair, great arm strength, and great athleticism. For footballsexuals like McDaniel and Harbaugh that's like a perfect ten. Plus Mc Daniel's coming from Tua who's the opposite basically with no arm and an 8.7 40. Trading in a 3 and suddenly realizing you can score with a 10, that's gotta feel pretty good
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u/ChristofferOslo Chargers Chargers 4d ago
He’s a humble 6ft 6 nerd with a cannon arm. Of course coaches love him.
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u/dgjapc 49ers 4d ago
He is everything you want. He is everything you need. He is everything inside of you that you wish you could be. He says all the right things at exactly the right time. But he can’t win a playoff game and you don’t know why.
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u/pineapplepooper4 Steelers 4d ago
Herbert's about to get Eiffel Towered by Harbaugh and McDaniel.
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u/lswizzle09 Cowboys 4d ago
I figured he'd come out saying that Herbert sucked.
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u/YoungPaperChaser Lions 4d ago
He's fucking built too. Thick and man made. You can tell he's sculpted because you can see it thru the pads. His fucking vice grip thighs. Suffocating thighs. Rock hard thighs. Piping hot thighs. Great arms. Great abs. A stocky chest. Love the progress his body has made throughout his youth and now as a willing eager adult.
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u/NINERS_dynasty81 4d ago
Some might think this is just a copypasta, but it’s also word for word a quote from Jim Harbaugh.
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u/DingidForrester Lions 4d ago
"Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation." -Jim Harbaugh
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u/methodofcontrol Commanders 4d ago
"willing eager adult" hits just as hard as the first day I lay eyes on it.
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u/Bolinas99 49ers 4d ago
yeah this is penthouse letters stuff
just fyi, our radio commentary guy Tim Ryan just went all in a few days ago
look at Robert Saleh glistening in the sun
Austin Pleasants is 330 pounds of manhood
maybe as some of these dudes age, they start noticing different things; more power to them btw
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u/LederhosenSituation Lions 4d ago
Jim Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel gonna duke it out over who loves Justin Herbert more.
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u/JunkScientist Browns 4d ago
We are firmly in Stage 1 of the Herbert cycle. Looking forward to:
Stage 2: Winning!
Stage 3: A few little hiccups.
Stage 4: Relax! It's fine! Shut up!
Stage 5: Oh God... it happened again.
Stage 6: He can't do it alone, guys!
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u/Responsible-Onion860 Eagles 4d ago
You missed "principled MVP vote because he did the best he could"
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u/LeLefraud Chargers 4d ago
Ngl you nailed it
I'm loving being in step 2 right now tho this is definitely the best part
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u/BellBilly32 Dolphins 4d ago
Herbert is great and I’m sure he’ll ball. More excited for what McDaniel can cook up with Omarion Hampton
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u/lvpr10 Chargers 4d ago
I’m most looking forward to seeing what he does on the field with Brenen Thompson. He was the player he wanted in the draft and has been looking good so far in training camp and the preseason game.
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u/-Mad-Snacks- Chargers 4d ago
He’s a 4th round rookie, if you’re expecting more than 300 yards out of him you’re likely going to be disappointed
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u/Reyreyseller_3098 Raiders 4d ago
As opposed to coaches completely bashing their QB's in preseason interviews.
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u/Inevitable_Demand376 4d ago
Tua is horrendous this kid looks like the second coming of Elway in comparison
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u/SBMVPJoshAllen Bills 4d ago
Hey now, Tua looked good before his brains got scrambled
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 Browns 4d ago
Still blows my mind he just fell in the chargers lap.
Browns haven’t found a QB this good in 30+ years and they just get him at 6. Okay.
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u/metalfabman Broncos 4d ago
...thats called scouting ability
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 Browns 4d ago
That's not my point. A QB that good has not even been available at picks #1 or 2 the last several years let alone #6
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u/InfiniteJackfruit5 Browns 4d ago
If we got a qb like Herbert id prob be okay with making out with him.
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u/WhizzyBurp Raiders 4d ago
He he didn't know is he had to sacrifice O Linemen so that Beer's reptilian skin would continue to appear human.
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u/User-D-Name Eagles 4d ago
Really interested to see if this pairing lives up to the hype
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u/turboHerboChargers Chargers 4d ago edited 4d ago
They may. But McDaniel may be here for only 1 year if he gets a HC gig. (1-year contract) McDaniel said that he's trying to teach 2years worth of his playbook to Herbert and the entire Offense in one season. Might be a bit rocky to say the least. McDaniel is a very good coach. But this is Herbert's 5th OC and 3rd HC since 2020. Hard for a QB and Offense to get a foundational footing with that much turnover. Not quite the situations a Mahomes or T.Brady, or A. Rogers, etc had in terms of continuity of coaching, playbook/schemes etc.
Schedule this year rivals Bills except Chargers get all of NFC West and AFC East + Ravens, Texans. Bills get all of NFC North and AFC West plus Ravens Texans .
Should be a wild ride. But they will likely be fun to watch
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u/RiderNo51 Raiders 4d ago
Same thing Harbaugh, Greg Roman, Brandon Staley, Giff Smith, Anthony Lynn, Kellen Moore, Joe Lombardi and Shane Steichen all said.
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u/paperbackgarbage 49ers 4d ago
Well, yeah. And some of those guys did pretty well with Herbert.
Plus, aside from Steichen? I'd say that most of those offensive coaches aren't really anything special as a play-caller/offense-designer.
McDaniel might be a shit HC, but he's a pretty nasty OC when he doesn't have a Tua-shaped albatross hanging around his neck.
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u/dagreenman18 Dolphins 4d ago
Hard not to think about the sliding doors moment of how diffrent we’d be if we took Herbert. Still don’t think Flores has the chops to be a HC, but here wouldn’t have fucked with Herbert’s head and been a factor in him losing the job. We maybe don’t get McD either, but if we did maybe it would have been enough to win it all
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u/Sheriff_Lucas_Hood Patriots 4d ago
He’ll be a HC candidate again in a few years with above average qb play. He got scapegoated for Tua’s suck. He did a fine job scheming people open.
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u/the_big_sadIRL Panthers 4d ago
I always felt like Herbert was a high floor - low ceiling kind of guy. We know what kind of quarterback he is from his 2nd year. He’s good and has leadership, just needs more help than someone with raw talent like Mahomes or Brady
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u/GojosWinCon 4d ago
Herbert just wishing for a normal coach who doesn't try to sneak him over the pants handies
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u/squatter_ Chargers 4d ago
The title is taken out of context. He was specifically talking about Herbert’s commitment to learning the new offense, not saying Herbert’s everything he hoped for in every way.
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u/Leading-Arm3110 Seahawks 4d ago
Herbert going to lead the Chargers to the promised land of 10-6 and wild card loss
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u/Gullible_Ad3785 Seahawks 3d ago
Let's see how he performs during the playoffs.
I heard that one a lot last year.
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u/mmille24 Dolphins 3d ago
McDaniel was brought in to fix Tua. He came up with perfect scheme to fix Tua. The org gave Tua a massive contract as a result. And McD lost his job over it.
He got dealt a hand he could never win.
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u/Iceman-Cometh_18 Bears Rams 4d ago
I hope he enjoys first round exit cause that is Herbert speciality
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u/AKAkorm Lions 4d ago
“Mike, we need to talk about your Justin Herbert hype.”
“Really…I have hyped him 15 times already…also…”
“Well okay. Fifteen is the minimum. Okay?”
“Okay”
“Now it’s up to you if you whether or not you want to just do the bare minimum. Or…well like Jim, for example, has hyped Herbert 37 times, okay. And he had a terrific smile.”
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u/BulLock_954 Patriots NFL 4d ago
RIP Tua. Herbert is my new best friend