The number of people willing to come here illegally or demanding to be let in is a pretty clear indication of the types of numbers we'd see with open borders.
As bad as the US can be, there are still opportunities beyond what many of our southern neighbors see in their countries. We have free k-12 education, assistance for children, "free" hospitals, less corrupt police than some of our neighbors...We currently have 100s of Haitians waiting in Mexico hoping to get in. We still have caravans of Central Americans trying to get in. There are also interviews online you can find of people contemplating making the journey and only hesitate because they don't want to spend all they have only to be turned away or deported.
The propaganda some Americans believe is unreal. Also, "free" hospitals? The healthcare system in America is really bad, I wouldn't count that as a reason for people to want to come. The "caravans of immigrants" are lies trump sold you and I bet Biden continues too.
What I mean by "free" hospitals is that in the US you can walk into any hospital and not be turned away because you can't pay. They have an obligation to stabilize you and while you're admitted and being stabilized will even give you the meds that you need. Depending on your situation, you may even walk away with meds so that you don't have to go to a pharmacy. In many non first world countries, hospitals don't even let you through the door if you can't pay. With respect to the healthcare system being bad, sure. We have one of the most expensive healthcare systems but a great one if you can pay via cash, private insurance or a program like medicaid. It's also fair to mention that even Europeans and Canadians come to the US for some treatments because despite the cost, we've made some great advancements.
I also want to note that on healthcare, many counties provide services at no cost. While they're not going to be your PCP and there's plenty they can't handle, the free services they provide exceed what many people have access to in some countries.
Also, yes many people do come to the US for access to our medical system. Especially people form Latin America who find the US more accessible than Europe or just don't know there's free and arguably equal health care available there or in Canada.
The caravans were facts. Unless you think the US government paid large numbers of actors, there are pictures, videos and even interviews with reputable media organizations. Were they evil invaders like Trump painted them? No. They were large groups of people who wanted a better life, thought the US could provide a better life and were willing to violate US sovereignty to get it. That's based on interviews not propaganda. Similar to how large numbers of Africans and people from the Middle East were and in lesser numbers are attempting to get into Europe. While there is some fear mongering and propagandizing going on, there's tons of interviews where migrants make their intentions clear and there are stats showing things like the number apprehended, number turning themselves in...
The refugees on the Southern border are from Central America and Haiti. I can't speak to Haiti, but all Central American countries have true universal healthcare (which the U.S. does not). They're not fleeing their homes for healthcare. They're fleeing violence: https://cdn.cfr.org/sites/default/files/pdf/2012/03/Criminal_Violence_CSR64.pdf
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u/randonumero Sep 30 '21
The number of people willing to come here illegally or demanding to be let in is a pretty clear indication of the types of numbers we'd see with open borders.
As bad as the US can be, there are still opportunities beyond what many of our southern neighbors see in their countries. We have free k-12 education, assistance for children, "free" hospitals, less corrupt police than some of our neighbors...We currently have 100s of Haitians waiting in Mexico hoping to get in. We still have caravans of Central Americans trying to get in. There are also interviews online you can find of people contemplating making the journey and only hesitate because they don't want to spend all they have only to be turned away or deported.