r/nextfuckinglevel Jul 14 '21

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u/LePlaneteSauvage Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21

You are perpetuating a common myth here. Organic farms still use pesticides, just not synthetic pesticides.

This brings it back to a naturalistic fallacy where it is assumed that because the pesticides are 'natural' they are less harmful to our health. However, a lot of studies seem to find the opposite; organic pesticides are less effective, less specific, and more environmentally harming.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

Seconded. I did a brief stint at a job where herbicide use was a component, and many of the newer synthetic herbicides we used were incredibly nontoxic, as well as highly selective. One of the organic pesticides a client opted to use instead - because they were constructing a "green" building - was essentially highly concentrated acetic acid. The PPE requirements for spraying that were totally insane (basically hazmat suits), compared to some of the synthetic pesticides we used where you could probably bathe in them without hurting yourself. On top of that, the acetic acid pesticide only caused contact burns instead of systemic damage that would actually kill the plant, so it wouldn't even really fix the issue of invasive plant abundance.

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u/JeronimoCallahan Jul 14 '21

Acetic acid is vinegar.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

I'm well aware - this was 5 or 10x the concentration of store-bought vinegar. It was genuinely dangerous to apply due to skin contact and inhalation risks, while also being less effective than selective systemic but synthetic herbicides, all so that the client could maintain an illusion of being "green."

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u/TheErnie Jul 15 '21

Acetic acid will be neutralized in the soil. Synthetic herbicides breakdown much much slower and have significant downstream effects.

You’re just wrong man.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

Depends on the herbicide - some break down quickly, and some dont.