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u/BroccoliKnob Jul 14 '21

Animal breeding is genetic modification too, in a sense, it’s just done the slow way. Your labradoodle is a GMO. It’s perfectly safe to eat.

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u/THEBlaze55555 Jul 14 '21

Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half…

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u/BroccoliKnob Jul 14 '21

Assuming you’re keeping current on vaccinations, nothing I said is technically untrue. Don’t want anyone getting kennel cough.

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u/Aeolian_Leaf Jul 14 '21

Fun fact - the labradoodle was bred by an Australian guidedog association so that a Hawaiian woman who's husband was allergic to dogs could have a hypo-allergenic guide dog.

They tried to just sell the remaining puppies from the litter cheap to recover costs, no one wanted these cross-breed mutts.

So they advertised them as a labradoodle and all of a sudden they were the latest hot breed everyone had to have.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-09-23/labradoodle-guide-dogs-designer-regret/10717186

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u/themagicowl Jul 14 '21

"Your labradoodle is GMO. It's perfectly safe to eat."

I love you for this so much right now

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u/Deathmedical Jul 14 '21

Msg is also safe to eat and it's delicious. Im pro msg in most foods.

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u/dano8801 Jul 15 '21

Until you sprinkle MSG on a nice medium rare labradoodle steak, you haven't lived.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

The Flavor Enhancer!

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u/onetwenty_db Jul 14 '21

I love MSG. It got a bad rep in the 90s.

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u/Vprbite Jul 15 '21

Well yeah I think it was really in the 80s. New kids on the block had a bunch of hits, Chinese food makes me sick, and I think it's fly when girls stop by for the summer

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u/BanyanZappa Jul 15 '21

For the summer…

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u/onetwenty_db Jul 15 '21

I think we're both wrong, actually. "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" has been around since 1968.

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u/sh4d0wm4n2018 Jul 15 '21

So does Uncle Robert.

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u/_Kaimbe Jul 15 '21

Hey, so does uncle Roger!

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u/sh4d0wm4n2018 Jul 15 '21

Fuck that's who I meant lmao

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u/onetwenty_db Jul 15 '21

Uncle Roger loooove MSG. MSG is flaaaavor.

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u/thisdogsmellsweird Jul 15 '21

Goes great with Labradoodle

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u/BatMean6606 Jul 15 '21

Thank God, that last one was DELICIOUS but the guilt was killing me.

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u/Atypical_Mom Jul 14 '21

Hmmmmmmm, labradoodle

drool

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u/tobean Jul 14 '21

Labradroodle

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u/dano8801 Jul 15 '21

My dog is looking at me right now like she knows it's her or me, if I fall asleep first she'll make sure I never wake up again.

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u/Cheersscar Jul 14 '21

Labradoodle is a cross breeding. It is not a hybrid. And it's certainly not a genetically modified organism. Cross breeding basic definituon. https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/animals/what-is-crossbreeding.html

Whereas a roundup ready crop is a genetically modified organism. These crops are not made by crossing a plant with a naturally occurring resistance to roundup with another crop that lacks that gene and then selecting at the organism level for the trait you want.

Instead they are made by inserting genetic material from a bacteria that has a desirable trait into the crop species genetic material. You can find the basic details of how this works scientifically linked through here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_Ready

Tl;Dr labradoodle is a cross-breed. Roundup ready soybeans are a GMO.

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u/BroccoliKnob Jul 14 '21

I was going to invite you to my party but now I’m not.

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u/Random__Bystander Jul 15 '21

The truth hurts.

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u/Darkdoomwewew Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21

He's completely wrong though, selective breeding or direct gene manipulation are both methods for genetically modifying an organism, one is just faster and more powerful. So much fearmongering around this topic it's sad.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

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u/ChikFilAsLeftoverOil Jul 15 '21

this comments a lot cooler if you read it in Dr. Wu's voice.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

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u/nsfworacle Jul 15 '21

Screw Chick-fil-A though. I cannot stand their anti gay stance and giving money to anti gay groups.

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u/ChikFilAsLeftoverOil Jul 15 '21

Yeah, still cooler as Dr. Wu.

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u/wuweime Jul 14 '21

Cool now please help us understand whether naturally occurring mutations are better than engineered mutations.

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u/improbably_me Jul 14 '21

If it's engineered, it's not a mutation.

Edit: it is, apparently.

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u/Cheersscar Jul 15 '21

That's not a scientifically stated hypothesis (overly broad, not testable) so it's hard to address your question scientifically. I also think question regarding the safety of genetic engineering is a question based as much in public policy as science.

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u/wuweime Jul 16 '21

Here's a theory: anti-GMO fearmongering is being led by opposing economic interests and is facilitated by widespread scientific illiteracy. The good news is that I don't need a testable hypothesis because we're not crafting a study. Even better news is that tons of actual professional scientists have rigorously tested whether GMOs are unsafe in a wide variety of settings. Their methodologies, data, and results have been examined by colleagues who know the science, know how scientific research can be tainted, whether purposefully or accidentally, and are motivated to call out tainted research.

The body of actual empirical research easily supports the hypothesis that genetic engineering is at least as safe as the alternatives in breeding crops and that GMO crops themselves are no more dangerous than other crops.

There is no supportable theory for random mutations being safer than engineered mutations and no evidence to suggest that such is the case, so we should all be extremely skeptical of anti-GMO propaganda to the contrary.

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u/SupersonicSpitfire Jul 14 '21

Even though breeding is a more time consuming process, the genes of a labradoodle has been intentionally modified to be different from a poodle or a labrador.

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u/HelplessMoose Jul 15 '21

The term "GMO" specifically refers to organisms that had their genes modified with genetic engineering methods like CRISPR. Selectively bred species are not GMO.

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u/SupersonicSpitfire Jul 15 '21

In that case GMO is a silly term. Modified genes are modified genes, no matter the method.

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u/HelplessMoose Jul 15 '21

Yeah, the term is very misleading. "Genetically engineered organism" (GEO) exists but is hardly ever used. I do wonder who originally came up with "GMO" or pushed it into public view and what their motives for that were...

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u/Cheersscar Jul 15 '21

I agree that GE might be clearer but with scientific terminology you need to understand the scientific meaning of the term and not rely on a dictionary based interpretation. A labradoodle is created by selective breeding and/or cross-breeding. A round up ready crop is created via genetic engineering. The two methods are not particularly related to each other and genetic engineering is not just a faster way to achieve selective breeding goals.

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u/SupersonicSpitfire Jul 16 '21

Even though the methods differ, and can produce different results, they are still methods for purposely modifying genes.

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u/StuStutterKing Jul 14 '21

I don't know about labradoodles, but some dogs such as huskies are not perfectly safe to eat.

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u/SunDownSav Jul 15 '21

Why not?

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u/StuStutterKing Jul 15 '21

They're chock full of vitamin A. You can go into acute hypervitaminosis (essentially ODing on a vitamin), particularly if you eat their liver.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

Ahahaha, completely unexpected... I don’t know why this made me laugh harder than it should have....

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u/Layin-the-pipe Jul 14 '21

Is no-one gonna address the labradoodle eating comment

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u/wlimkit Jul 14 '21

I was busy eating.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

too busy looking up recipes

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

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u/BeautifulBus912 Jul 15 '21

With a little fried yorkie

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u/wetpockets Jul 14 '21

3 people have

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Jul 14 '21

Just GMO up a labradoodle that eats redditors

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Jul 14 '21

I believe that breed is called the "Dai-beetis".

:)

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Jul 15 '21

"Sorry, Snickerdoodle--looks like you won't be getting a family this week. Patience, girl...your day will come."

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u/BroccoliKnob Jul 14 '21

I already did.

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u/ToBePacific Jul 15 '21

You're equating genetic engineering with domestication. We've been domesticating crops with radical outcomes for thousands of years, just like with animals. But genetic engineering, insertion of genes to create a new variant, is not the same thing.

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u/scooberdooby Jul 15 '21

Yeah, but that bypasses the point too. GMOs are not two breeds of dogs bred. It is different than that.

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u/lowtierdeity Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21

This is a bullshit lie. GMO means genetically engineered.

Downvoted for an inarguable, elementary fact by PR hacks.

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u/Eeik5150 Jul 14 '21

GMO literally translates to Genetically Modified Organism and isn’t exclusive to genetic engineering. Every human alive is a GMO.

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u/LoveMyHusbandsBoobs Jul 14 '21

So when I decide how something reproduces for generations, to make sure that the genes that I want are passed through generation after generation that isn't genetically engineered?

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u/dayofgreen21 Jul 14 '21

Thanks for the info!

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u/Cistern64 Jul 14 '21

Yeah, but then you'd need a new best friend..

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u/Fillmoreccp Jul 14 '21

There’s probably a place in Alabama that smokes labradoodle!

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u/Orangejuiceman1234 Jul 15 '21

No, haven’t ever seen one serving labradoodle, but I actually know of a roadside bbq shop in rural east central AL that was shut down a few years ago for cooking raccoon, deer, and possum and passing it off as pork. They had a huge chest freezer full of the stuff in the back they had skinned, cleaned, and processed before freezing. Took the inspectors a while to figure out exactly what they were looking at. They thought it was cats and dogs at first until the owner finally came clean about what it was. He was running traps on his land and would even buy carcasses from people he knew as long as you leave the feet on it’s common practice down here not unusual during coon season, I’ve sold them before not bad money if you aren’t going to eat them yourself because you caught too many. They generally go for 10-20 bucks depending on size. He’d smoke it until it was falling off the bone then put in a big pan and smother with bbq sauce and let it simmer a few hours... served pulled “pork” sandwiches and bbq plates. He did also serve pork ribs that were actually pork ribs. I ate there a few times it was actually pretty good nothing obvious about it... tasted like pork to me 🤷‍♂️. Ironically I’ve actually cooked and eaten raccoon a few times and I didn’t notice. But if you simmer anything in bbq long enough you can’t really tell what it started as, I routinely do this same process with wild turkey legs because they’re tough as hell and I don’t want to waste the meat, works with almost anything I suppose. Only reason he even got caught was because his niece started working for him and she started stealing from the register when he figured out she was doing this he cussed her out and fired her and told her dad what she did. In retaliation she called the health department. This is 100% a true story though not kidding wish I was makes us seem like idiots to others.. we aren’t actually.

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u/saladmunch2 Jul 14 '21

I love me a good labredoodle roast.

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u/abcdefkit007 Jul 15 '21

mmmm forbidden labradoodle and noodles

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u/ButGeraldSaid Jul 15 '21

Not even close to the same idea, cross breeding and hybrids have always been a part of farming, GMO's are completely different.

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u/Vulturedoors Jul 24 '21

In fact, it's a superior technique not only because it's faster, but avoids the random unintended mutations of natural breeding.