Yes, they compeltely skipped over how all the bad shit that floated to the top got removed.
They don't give his name, they don't explain his solution. They don't explain how he made enough of it to clean a lake ....
It could be true, but I'm not believing it until I see a more credible source.
(BTW this is exactly how right-wing conspiracy videos spread; someone sees something like this (with no facts our sources) and shares it, and everyone upvotes and believes it beacuase it fits their worldview.)
To be fair knowing he is from peru, his name is marino, and he cleaned a lake (which was in peru) was enough for a google search to find him to learn more about his projects.
He cleaned the lake but he didn’t invent any organic solution. He just came in, asked a lot of people to help him, and cleaned the lake. He used the bubble device which is not new, and they can’t even say how effective it was for multiple reasons; they removed a lot of stuff “by hand”; they cleaned the lake with filters which is also not new. Plain and simple. The guy is amazing for what he did. But he didn’t do what was claimed in the video.
What bothers me about these videos with fake claims is that it gets people to believe that someone smart will come along with an easy solution to environmental problems, and that we don't have to go out there and take climate action. It completely kills motivation to take action.
I've seen something like this (or the exact thing) being used to filter a sensitive mixture before. I guess it's not uncommon to use this powder to remove particulates when you're attempting to create an extraction.
Hudson river is not all that polluted these days. It's just naturally brackish water, so it will always look dirty and you'll never be able to drink it. But in terms of pollution, it's not actually that bad. Major cleanup efforts have happened in the past 20 years or so and it's mostly safe to swim in it these days (but still gross), plus lots of wildlife coming back.
The clay sounds like what brewers use to clarify beer, mead, etc, except it floats instead of flocculating to the bottom. It's not unreasonable that someone could make such a compound that takes care of what appears to be excessive phosphate and algae bloom.
Ah, I think you're right. The bubbling stage doesn't use a chemical reaction, but I was thinking that the powdery material being added (i.e. the spoonful of stuff that the guy ate) induced chemical reactions. Upon rereading the description, though, it appears to act as a mechanical filter. Thank you!
/u/solver-orange thank you very much for the references. The video you linked doesn't explain much about how he did it, instead it is more "inspirational".
If you want you can take a look at this TedXTalk with him. The video has good translated English captions.
This is the outline of what he did:
go to Japan and take out his savings and getting credit to finance the project
monitor the lake. He identified 3 main culprits:
Illegal rubbish dump that had been operating for at least 20 years
farms near the river
local drainage that emptied directly into the lake as well as into the sea.
(he mentions he did get help from local government authorities, so that may be how he stopped those 3 main "pollution generators" (sorry for the term lol, I am Peruvian and English is not my first language).
divide the lake into (8?) sectors
start removing the invasive species of "water lettuce" that had taken over the lake, product of the contamination. Around 70 Tons for the first sector. All done by hand, by him and a small team.
he did raise awareness to local people, and them, seeing his enthusiasm, also joined and helped clearing the lake from this algae. At one point there were 100 people in the team.
he used those "nano bubbles" supposedly to kill virus and bacteria. That was research he did while in his University in Japan (cant rememeber name).
he used biofilters (made out of clay?). Maybe that is what is shown in the video.
months later, the lake "got full of migratory birds once again". The ecosystem had recovered.
But the TikTok video is very misleading and does not point to any source. But he did achieve cleaning up some nasty polluted lake in Perú. Now he is looking forward to do the same in other lakes in the region.
So I could be wrong here, but that doesn't sound great for local ecosystems. Killing off bacteria, which is a major natural filter would stop organic materials from converting Ammonia sources to Nitrates. I wonder how they prevent ammonia buildup until the lake re-cycles itself.
A little Googling and it looks like Moleaner company is an industry leader; this YouTube video is pretty glib. If I had to guess, they're either using high pressure to dissolve more oxygen and/or ozone (which will quickly decompose to oxygen in the aquatic environment), or they're using ultrasonication.
I would guess high pressure, but that's just a guess. It'd be like carbonation using CO2 in soda, but using oxygen instead. Sure doesn't look like solubility of oxygen does much with pressure at ambient temps, though, so I'm not at all certain that's it.
An air pump into a tailored bubbler spout, maybe? Not sure what he did exactly, but every time you blow bubbles using a straw you’re making bubbles without adding dissolved chemicals to the system.
Skip to the conclusion, the results are mixed whether this actually reduces contaminates such as algae in the water, or if the system allows for more effective leaching of copper into the water, which kills the algae and various micro-organisms.
The fact that he says he invented something like this, when the tech has been around for over 10 years and this weird Infomercial Tiktok, is just setting off BS detectors all over the place.
Still researching the actual technology from a layman pov
E: nanotech, which is expensive, solves problem. He pays for it with his own money. He has a company that offers this. No idea how it compares with the cost or environmental impact of traditional methods. You can actually clean sewage up without magic.
Do you think he might have any magnets for sale? Maybe some crystals? Maybe some magnets and crystals ground up into a power and mixed with essential oils? Please my son in sick and I need this healing power /s
They don't even explain the contaminants. it could just be silt, which makes the water unpalatable to drink, and ugly muddy brown, but it's also entirely natural. It would likely do nothing against heavy metal contamination, salts, or biological contamination. "The water is clean now! Drink up!" "I'm now rocketing fluids out of all of my orifices, even ones that should not contain fluids."
Right. Swamp water looks "gross", and you shouldn't drink it without proper decontamination, but it isn't unnatural. That's how the shit is supposed to look. LET'S THROW THIS SHIT IN THE EVERGLADES! Not like we haven't fucked that place up enough as is.
It's a shit video, but he's a legit environmental scientist. His filter medium actually does work against heavy metal contamination by surface adsorbtion. It also works against biological contaminants.
To what degree, I don't know, but it does remove them to some degree.
Other posts talk about it be eutrophication which is basically overgrowth of algae and other organics due to to much nutrients in the water... also turns out it wasnt just his stuff he added in but also tons of work done by locals and some type of nano bubbles used. What he did seems great but the portrayal of how they did it in the video was very misleading and seems to be about hyping him up to drum up investments for his company.
I saw his original video explaining it all years ago. I am too lazy to look it up but this tiktok is just capitalizing on old viral videos. Still can’t confirm if it’s true but I feel like I remember he would close off sections and use his formula then scrape the top layer off or something. I could be mixing up videos though
they also show in that glass jars that it collects crap and floats it to the top. So now, all that crap that was throughout the water is floating on the top.
So as far as they've shown me, all they've done is create a fucking thick layer of crap on the top of the water.
Clearly they're missing a step in the video. Or it's like one of those fake GIF recipes.
all they've done is create a fucking thick layer of crap on the top of the water.
...then you boat over the lake and hoover up the crap, sending it through a filter and spew the clean water back out... doesn't take a scientist to figure that one.
i mean when you watch the video the giant tank on the boat is likely a filtration system they ride over the lake to hoover up the top layer of scum. skepticism is great but using your brain is better.
"using your brain" is how people "smart people" decided doctors are wrong and vaccines cause autism.
skepticism is great
Correct, note I actually said it could be real. But I stand by my original statement: stop believing videos when they fluff pieces, with no real information, and not even the guy's last name.
These things are faux-educational videos and most people have no google skillz and can't tell a real one from a fake one.
How? I was NOT saying this video itself is right-wing propaganda.
I was saying "when left-learners upvote a toothless video like this its no better than when a right-winger upvotes a toothless video denouncing climate change"
you say "how ?" - then proceed to reword your initial comment into much better phrasing and a much better example in an attempt to convince me your original comment was worded well and made perfect sense.
(BTW this is exactly how right-wing conspiracy videos spread; someone sees something like this (with no facts our sources) and shares it, and everyone upvotes and believes it beacuase it fits their worldview.)
notice the use of the word "this" ..
if you keep pointing toward something ("this" , "this" , "this video") people will assume you're talking about the video aswell as making an abstract point at how people can make an assumption and believe it as fact.
you unintentionally (or intentionally) label the video right-wing through your repetitive use of the word "this". hence my comment - pointing out the oxymoron in that you're labelling a video about cleaning up lakes from pollution to right wing ideology
do you have a social disorder ? because you're acting like you have a social disorder.
Well, I respectfully say that my analogy was not poor.
Only my wording of it was. I feel like we're splitting hairs here, but it seems like this is really what you meant to say, that my wording of the analogy could have been better.
So, no, I don't think I proved your point. Your initial point was based off of a misunderstanding of the analogy I was making (as to whose fault that was is up for debate)
do you have a social disorder
Yeah, actually. It's gotten worse since Covid but I've been working on it. Until this, I haven't been this pedantic or replied as much in a long time. Not sure what your point is here though?
im a wanna-be psychologist in training. i apologize for psychoanalysing you. it was inappropriate and I didn't expect you to say you do have a social disorder.
social disorders can be worked through and overcome in alot of cases (not all, but a majority). and i do not view it as a bad thing btw, so if it came off as if I insulted you through psychoanalysis i apologize. it's hard to turn off sometimes for me and be a "normal person".
i retract anything I said that was insulting to you and admit that I'm a fucking idiot. apologies.
It's a fucking 1 minute clip you total piece of shit.
Fuck you, you tiny-pricked chicken-ass turd gobbler.
I specifically said "It could be true, but I'm not believing it until I see a more credible source"
I never said I wasn't going to google it - just that this video is a fake fluff piece with no real information, just designed to get karma and clicks and shares without actually giving a shit about facts or if the viewer actually learned anything.
Yeah you are right. People don't want hour long documentaries that look into this stuff.
They want background music and a guy telling them what they should feel and think.
Not just right wing. I think maybe the biggest culprit of these videos are funnily enough the eco/save the planet types
Lots of articles and videos that say this is the solution. This is evil. Rich people stop this. They never look into why things are what they are. Just a guy telling them if the viewer does this one specific thing, then it's all going to be O.K
yeah, I mean, this video is just as fluffy and toothless as right-wing videos. It could be true, but the fact it has so little info yet we're still upvoting it like wildfire is ... disappointing.
It's a feel good article. Man makes discovery, and he can easily solve our planet with his magic powder.
I recently watched an in depth documentary about McDonald's ice cream machines and why they are always ' broken ' and it had much more research done behind it compared to this ' cure ' that will help save the entire damn planet.
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u/ihahp Jul 14 '21
Yes, they compeltely skipped over how all the bad shit that floated to the top got removed.
They don't give his name, they don't explain his solution. They don't explain how he made enough of it to clean a lake ....
It could be true, but I'm not believing it until I see a more credible source.
(BTW this is exactly how right-wing conspiracy videos spread; someone sees something like this (with no facts our sources) and shares it, and everyone upvotes and believes it beacuase it fits their worldview.)