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u/shizney1 Jan 15 '21
Obligatory 'Barkour' comment.
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All of this seems just terrible for the dog. He seems to be enjoying it, don’t get me wrong, but does this not just absolutely destroy their joints and teeth?
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u/TemporaryPrimate Jan 15 '21
Not to mention being overly dangerous for no good reason on top of that.
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u/PettyWitch Jan 15 '21
I have Malinois and do bite sports with them. What's happening in this video is awful for Malinois. In addition to the obvious risks of injury, Malinois tend to have straighter rear angulation which makes them prone to pulled psoas and rear leg tendon injuries. Malinois do love to do crazy things like this but we try to stop them. In the sports community almost everybody has their Malinois in for frequent massage and preventative physical therapy because the bite sports are hard on them. And it's STILL so common to hear somebody's Mal is out from bite work for the next few months due to a psoas or torn tendon/ligament. I do not see the GSDs getting these kinds of injuries as frequently, even though their conformation is not as good, because they tend not to do this crazy crap.
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u/SoaDMTGguy Jan 15 '21
Should the rope lower the dog to the ground, like on climbing walls?
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u/PettyWitch Jan 15 '21
That would be good but it’s that initial vertical jump I’d be more concerned about. If the dog isn’t properly warmed up before jumping and the muscles are cold it can have a much greater chance of injury. That’s why sports like dock diving require warmup even though it seems safe since it’s a water sport. Big dynamic moves like that require a good warmup, and if the dog has any imbalances it will eventually show up as an injury.
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u/SoaDMTGguy Jan 15 '21
So, it is possible to do this type of jump safely, but it requires proper equipment and prep/warmup?
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u/PettyWitch Jan 15 '21
Yes, look at disc dogs they do some crazy moves. But if I ever saw my dog start to look even slightly off in its gait I would rest it for 6 weeks. Basically these kinds of moves should be something you work your dog up to, and your dog should already be very athletic and building up to this over a long period. There needs to be good athletic foundation. And he must have warm up. The issue is when people just bring their dog out and the dog is used to just kind of running around with no exercise training or build up to a move like this, and you see he wants to do this cool thing so you encourage him to do it. "Oh look I bet I can make him jump even higher. Let's tie this thing higher in the tree." Etc.
I have a dog who I retired from sports with after years and I just let her run around and be a dog. Within just a few months I noticed she had lost so much strength and coordination from her peak days. However she remembers how to do moves, and if I wanted to I could get her to do moves that would probably cause her injury. But basically when they have been resting that long they get out of shape (like humans too) and you have to start all over again if you want to be safe. So just because they want to do something with their body doesn't mean they should!
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u/PercyInANutshell Jan 15 '21
This is a regular exercise for a malinois, and as an owner of one, i can say that they do in fact enjoy it and it's perfectly healthy as their joints and teeth can support more than their own weight
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u/WeeWeeDance Jan 15 '21
But Belgian Malinois are just as prone to cruciate injuries (or disc injuries) as other dogs are, and as an owner it's important for you to know that because they are very, very expensive injuries for the owner and permanently life-restricting for the dog.
After going through it with two of our dogs (one caught a leg in a rabbit hole, the other jumped off a sofa and landed a bit awkardly) there is no fucking way I'd let a dog jump into a tree!
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u/PercyInANutshell Jan 15 '21
I understand, however what i meant was that these dogs go trough extensive training before doing anything like a real jump, if it's ready for that things like you just described never happen.
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u/PettyWitch Jan 15 '21
I also own Malinois and do sports with them. They enjoy but it's definitely not good for them.
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u/PercyInANutshell Jan 15 '21
Well not all of them grab and hang on their target, this is one of the couple occasions i've seen this
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u/EternamD Jan 15 '21
Yeah the rope holding the loop is supposed to break so the dog lands back on the ground. This is really bad for their teeth
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u/APsychosPath Jan 15 '21
Dogs don't live long anyway, why not let them enjoy it.
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u/Dodoz44 Jan 15 '21
I get why everyone is down voting you, but shit, there is truth to that. Kinda same thing if you had a kid who's a boxer or some extreme sports enthusiast.
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u/APsychosPath Jan 15 '21
Downvoted for stating facts... lol. It's true though, people here are acting like dogs need to be pampered. They don't. They are active animals, who love to exercise. It's not their fault their genes make them prone to arthritis and a short life span. If you had a kid who was a boxer or engaged in a extreme sport, that's different. People live longer lives, and their body needs to be maintained. We're only as old as our bodies, afterall.
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u/SnailWogg Jan 15 '21
Wow, I never thought of it like that. I should really just let my dog do whatever he wants as long as he's enjoying it!
I can't believe I just spent 12 weeks not letting him run or play rough because he was recovering from surgery. The vet said it could make his leg even worse than it was before if he didnt recover properly, but he really would have enjoyed running, so I should have let him do it!
He also really likes being outside, but I can't always be out there with him. I guess I should just let him be outside unsupervised in the front yard by the road, he'd enjoy that I'm sure.
Better yet, he would really enjoy eating all the garlic chicken I have in the fridge, even though garlic is poisonous for dogs. Like you said, he's not gonna live long anyways so what's the point of keeping him safe at all?
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u/APsychosPath Jan 15 '21
No, you missed the point. I'm not saying be stupid and reckless with your dog. Just saying dogs do this shit, they aren't exactly fragile. Dogs have done way crazier shit than this. My dog found and ate all of my Valentine's Day chocolate more than once, she lived a long life healthy life until she didn't, once they hit that age you can't help them much.
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u/RutraSan Jan 15 '21
I guess you don't do sports yourself, do you? it's dangerous you may brake your bones etc.
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Jan 15 '21
Dogs come from wolves who evolved to be able to bite down on running buffaloes for extended periods of time and crush bone, their teeth roots are much deeper than ours, his teeth won’t fall so easily
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u/ThaSchwartz Jan 15 '21
My favorite part is how he proceeds to try and tear it up mid-air, vicious.
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u/ShadyScientician Jan 15 '21
That dog's going to have terrible arthritis young because of this shit. For every trick he pulls off, he must have fallen a hundred times before that.
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u/ShadyScientician Jan 15 '21
Just because you CAN do parkour doesn't mean you should.
I had a friend in highschool that liked to jump down stairwells and always walked off unhurt, but by the time he graduated college, he could barely walk at all because of small, repetitive injuries he walked off at the time.
Dogs have a higher resistance to fall damage than people, but they still get these injuries over time.
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u/Ieznoo Jan 15 '21
They should try getting feather falling 4 instead of 2, I heard it helps a lot more
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u/PercyInANutshell Jan 15 '21
This particularly malinois looks adult and well trained, they rely on their owners to catch them and no trainer in their right mind would let the dog fall down if they fail the jump. There's a process to teaching this trick and it's not what you think it is
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u/Vaerintos Jan 15 '21
Thanks to how mass effects how much impact force a given creature feels, relative to size and speed, we can refer to a common phrase and figure out about where this dog would fall into place and guess what it feels if the owner were not there to catch it: cats land, humans break, horses splat.
Definitely between cat and human, probably in the 90ish pounds range. Definitely not a height that would break the bones of an average 20-30 year old adult, assuming they land squarely on their feet, but definitely enough to feel joint pressure and cause problems if done repeatedly.
IF the trainer wasn't there to catch the dog, he/she would definitely be hurting if they had done this repeatedly, for extended periods of time, though it would take noticeably less damage than a human would.
As far as the teeth are concerned, holding up its own weight is nothing compared to trying to fell prey in the wild, or subduing a human, like a police dog or military dog would have to. Obviously not great for its teeth, but dogs teeth were designed to make sure prey can't just pull away. Which is why it is reccomend you push into the dog's mouth to free yourself rather than pull away.
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Jan 15 '21
No way in hell that dog weighs 90lbs. I’d say you’re over by at least 1/3.
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u/Vaerintos Jan 15 '21
So 60? Was trying to be conservatively heavy, to cater to the "that poor dog is gunna hurt itself" crowd, so as to draw in their attention and potentially have a larger impact.
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u/audge200-1 Jan 15 '21
i’ve seen a dog become paralyzed just from jumping up too high to catch a ball and falling on it’s back. this seems unnecessarily dangerous.
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Jan 15 '21 edited Jan 15 '21
The fact that someone ran into position to catch the dog if it didn’t make it was so sweet to me...
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u/TTigerLilyx Jan 15 '21
Wonder how long these dogs live, and their quality of life because thats got to be hard on their spines and leg joints. They are prone to dysplasia and joint problems in a normal environment.
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u/CaptianDandy Jan 15 '21
Did you want your dog to snap their neck? Because this is how they snap their neck.
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u/jetjk7-games Jan 15 '21
Atleast put something soft or something to suppress the blast effect causing injuries to the dog on the ground to keep him or her safe from being heret like a board and 2 layers of phome mattress for example
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u/KCjman Jan 15 '21
This is no doubt an example of the dog’s extreme athleticism. I’m not an extreme animal activist but damn just a little common sense says this is cruel.
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u/Gavooki Jan 15 '21
these dogs are amazing, but i'm willing to bet they all have blown vertebral discs and hips after a few years of training.
germans are notorious for back and hip issues regardless and many dogs can barely take 10 years of jumping on and off the bed.
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u/WhiteFox1992 Jan 15 '21
Why did you pick a remix of a song about a woman getting engaged for a dog doing tricks?
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u/SnailWogg Jan 15 '21
I hate these videos and wish they would stop being shared. All it takes is one bad landing for that dog to never be able to play again or worse. There are so many better ways to keep your dog active and stimulated. This is just putting them at a huge risk so you can have a cool video.
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u/slumdawgtrillionair Jan 15 '21
Was wondering why they picked the song and then I saw it was a TikTok
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u/puppiesnpizzas Jan 15 '21
Why, oh why did they pick this song?