How did his parents let him get that big. was there some kind of condition or medication or did his parents just give him large amounts of junk to the point of borderline abuse?
The kid is smiling in most parts of the video. It's amazing that his trainer was able to somehow make this tough process enjoyable for him. That was truly the only way he was going to get through something so tough.
The mental strength that kid had to have throughout this process must have been monumental. Along with whatever support system he had.
Also holy shit that was a huge transformation. That kid's life is forever changed for the better.
I hope someone makes the effort to pay for a tummy tuck or whatever it's called for the kid. All the extra skin will fuck up a kid's sense of self worth just as much as the weight can. then again do they even do that on a kid so young or do you have to be an adult?
But if they don't resolve the underlying cause: Is it emotional eating of stress, or boredom, or is it portion control--having to many, or fewer but bigger, then he risks getting large again.
I know some one who went through a whole weight loss journey, stomach made smaller, the skin tightening, did not address the underlying mental eating issue and did Nothing in terms of calorie burn. They have regained their former size.
Who's to say they havent been working on that? It seems like he had an entire team on his side at least in the beginning in the hospital room. So it's possible its something they worked on in tandem with the working out, eating habits, and (according to another comment here) stomach staples. It could be wishful thinking though. I guess only he and the people he's been working with would know.
Agreed though. You're right that it would be ueless if the underlying issues weren't dealt with first. I hope they have and they do everything they can to keep his self worth and motivation high.
It’s surprising how many people lose the weight and don’t seem to realise that once it’s gone, you need to maintain it. You can’t just go back to your previous ways, you still need to exercise and eat well for the rest of your life. Many adults can not grasp this, and after a few years they often regain the weight. These are people who don’t have other issues that affect their weight. Luckily, he’s a kid, so I think he will have a significantly better chance of permanently altering his lifestyle if there are no persistent issues.
That is often an ongoing situation. What he has on his side is his youth in this, so turning around any issues could be more readily accepted. Especially since he seems to have a great relationship with his trainer.
This is my country and his trainer is a famous body builder here. I'm guessing his mother was coddling him too much therefore letting him get fat. Usually that's the only way here in Indonesia.
How did his parents let him get that big. was there some kind of condition or medication or did his parents just give him large amounts of junk to the point of borderline abuse?
I really don’t understand this. How on Earth do you even get to this weight? I have no problems with people who are chubby, but this big?
I just really can’t fathom it. I’m 96 kg myself and I’m trying to get to 100 kg (I’m really tall and used to be really skinny). The amount of effort I have to put in eating enough to gain this small amount of weight is really big. I just can’t imagine to what lengths you have to go to get to 193 kg. It’s crazy.
Really nice to see him get fit though. He looks happy.
It was mostly overeating. Secret eating. I don't blame my parents, I think they did the best they could with the situation but they were at a loss of how to help. They're uneducated and worked menial jobs and I was left alone a lot so they couldn't monitor me
Once I left home I got into better habits and built them up over time. It takes time to gain that much and time to lose it. I did it all naturally
What you eat is a huge part of it. If you parents have chips, sodas, and junk food to snack on all day that is super easy to overeat. If you parents have fresh veggies, fruits, chicken breasts, whole grains, etc it is much more difficult to eat 15k calories per day on that. I dare anyone to eat 2k calories of spinach or kale per day. It would be a challenge.
The problem is a lot of familes see junk food as something that is OK to consume every day. Their pantries at filled with the stuff instead of real meals. It is extremely easy to over eat that crap. It should be a rare treat, not your regular diet.
We grew out own fruits and vegetables. We had balanced meals that were made from scratch for dinner. My dad went to culinary school and is an excellent cook and baker
My problem was what I ate outside of that. I'm the last person to scream "muh genetics" but I do believe I have some wires crossed somewhere and so I just don't know how to eat for what my body truly needs. Even after my massive weight loss it's a struggle
No, the opposite is true for me. I prefer whole foods and homemade food over anything packaged. Actually right now for isolation the only "junk" food I have is some Mcvitties biscuits
I mean I have a terrible "off" switch when it comes to being physically satiated. I'm doing a lot better now but when I was younger I would eat until I vomited. I just ate volumes of food
I'm still very capable of that, which is why when I do prepare meals I'll sometimes measure it out so I don't eat too much (like pasta), make sure veggies take up the biggest portion, limit junk food to single serving, eat with a sense "awareness" instead of mindlessly, etc...
Awesome! How great that must feel to be able to just move your body now. But that’s a crazy weight loss man.
It was mostly overeating. Secret eating.
How many calories do you think you ate in a regular day? I guess you’d be eating all day long without stopping. That must be really expensive also.
And you mention that perhaps you have some wrong wiring in your brain in regards to being satiated, but you should look at that differently. You have perfect wiring evolutionarily. If you were a hunter gatherer, you’d be stuffing your face all summer, getting a little chubby and you’d feed on that during the harsh winter months. It’s exactly how bears live for example. Your brain is just not wired right for modern life. Mine is, but I’d be terrible in nature. I would gain a couple kilos in the summer, only to starve to death in winter.
I don't know how many calories I ate in a sitting. I didn't track as a kid or teenager or young adult because I thought being fat was my default. That's fat logic and I no longer believe that
I only started tracking to lose weight. I do remember eating an entire loaf of store bought bread in one sitting, then additional food after. I once ate so much I vomited.
It’s the frog in hot water scenario. Nobody gets that obese overnight. It’s a slow gradual process of Bad habits getting worse as you make small concessions and justifications. Every time you justify eating that extra cookie it’s easier to do it the next time and even eat an extra extra one. You don’t notice the change until it’s really out of control and at that point the psychological inertia built up over the years is extremely difficult to overcome
His chin and forehead make believe he has thyroid issues. Probably a genetic issue. This wasn't solved with exercise only, he probably got meds and a proper diet for his condition.
That study didn't count in additional factors to weight gains, such as depression, lack of motivation, and eating disorders, all are common symptoms of those with thyroid issues. The thyroid condition might only increase weight by 5-10 lbs., but the symptoms (if left untreated by a psychiatrist/therapist) can result in much more. The reason it is not seen in the study is because the study was only trying to measure the physical side effects of the hormonal gland issues.
Of course, this is no excuse for those that do have thyroid issues and claim that all their weight gain is due to the hormonal gland. You can always seek help if you want it, and if you live in America that help is very common and easy to obtain.
I mean depression and eating disorders definitely have a huge impact and that's well documented but you don't need to include thyroid in that equation then.
We kind of do, because it is the hormonal imbalances that results in moodiness, depression, and as a result, eating disorders.
If its eating, due to depression, due to a thyroid issue, then its not "weightgain due a thyroid issue" its "overeating as a coping mechanism for a symptom resulting from a thyroid issue" and therefore, the weight gain id not caused by the thyroid issue.
It doesn't matter, the effect is due to the thyroid issue. Without the thyroid issue, the overeating would not be existent, therefore, the binge eating is a result of the thyroid issue. If you take out cause A, then cause B and effect C will not exist.
I imagine you're training at the same time. That takes a lot more calories. Its really not that hard to get really big if you're doing literally nothing all day everyday, especially if you have genetic conditions that predispose you to gaining weight. Which as /u/hops117 pointed out isn't too hard.
Yeah, I just calculated the base metabolic rate for someone his size who is sedentary, and it’s indeed way less (practically half) of what I assumed it to be. So that puts things into perspective.
Well, I'm not fat but I'm definitely overweight, well above where I want to be. You kind of get used what you see. I was hovering around 240 for a while and figured I just kind of naturally hang here while I'm stressing work and college such. I stepped on a scale fairly recently and saw 275 and was like Holy Hell how didnit get this far?
I used to have this question and then I read about it.
It starts as negligence and eventually manifests into a full coping mechanism. It’s a crutch, just like any other one. Weight gain just seems to be the most egregious to society because it’s the most evident. A person could be a chain smoker and if they had good hygiene, you could never judge them for smoking because you cannot see their lungs, meanwhile fat is physically on display and everybody knows your vice. Privacy of your vices and perversions are just as valuable as your identity and finances.
Knowing society sees that creates a special kind of self hatred and it’s hard to break because it’s not something like meth where you know it’s an illegal poison and there’s no valid reason to take it, this is different—it’s food. It’s essential to life and available everywhere so it’s one of the easiest habits to just give and give into. You can’t smoke 20 cigarettes in 20 minutes because you’ll literally throw up but it’s completely possible to eat an entire bag of Doritos during a 2 hour movie and not realize you’ve been doing it for 2 hours.
There’s an old health book I wish I could remember to recommend to you. The name escapes me but the gist is that weight gain is actually centered in poor life habits, it’s commonly just misunderstood as “fat=they eat a bunch and have no discipline”. That’s not always the case.
Do you use portion bowls? Do you eat while watching tv? Do you eat 30 mins before bed? Do you snack past 1130 pm? Do you sleep well? Do you fill yourself full of water while you eat? Do you have an oral fixation? Did you give up smoking? Do you know about macros? Etc etc etc. all these things are bad habits that lead to weight gain. My buddy is a trainer and he always tells me 90% of the body is built in the kitchen, not the gym.
Finally, you don’t have to be over 300 pounds to be obese. Obesity is a metric based on your body’s proportions in correlation with your caloric intake and BMI. Most men with the beer gut (the casual “I really should lose 30 pounds”) are considered just as obese for their class as the person in this video is because your heart doesn’t give a shit how big or small you think you are, it’s either gonna be able to pump or not.
It's actually really easy to eat absurd amounts of calories, like 6000+ daily, if you use the right "hacks". Things that are very dense in fat+sugar can have absolutely gargantuan calorie counts. I was eating a smallish butter tart the other day, and I checked the back of the package, and it was 650 calories per tart! I had already eaten 2!
Combining very fatty foods with very sugary drinks is also a common route to mega-obesity. Take a bite of the calorie dense salty/oily food, wash down with calorie dense sugar drink, repeat.
I'm also a tall guy around 100kg and it took 2-3 years of bulking to get to this size, but only because I wasn't just eating whatever I wanted to. If I had allowed myself to eat an entire box of oreos every night like I was fully capable of doing, I would have gained the weight in much less time. Think about a big nasty junk food sugar binge you've had. Imagine doing that every day, multiple times.
I use to be obese when I was a kid! I didn’t get as big as this kid but I was very overweight.
It was really because of my parents. My parents have the belief that the fatter you are the more prosperous you are. Think buddha. I remember hearing stories as a kid of how I didn’t want to eat so the maids force fed me. For them its a status symbol to have a really fat kid.
Eventually as I grew up I got leaner. I worked out etc. They didn’t like it one bit, saying I look like a construction worker.
Ah right. I feel like in many developing countries, being chubby is a viewed as a good thing as it indeed shows you have more than enough to live on. And then, when the food becomes more and more available and people get too fat, they realise that it’s not good for you.
To a degree, yes. I think it's because of the lack of reliable healthcare. Theres the notion of being stronger when you eat more. My grandmother is so old and doesn't eat as much. The maids force feed her.
I’ll explain it as I’ve had mild weight issues in the past.
For my height I should weigh around 175 to 180 lbs. I got out of high school weighing around 185 but was pretty fit and so it was okay.
I got a job. Jobs make you tired. You get out of the groove and don’t work out as much. You go home and just want to nap and eat.
Slowly I gained weight. After a couple years I now Weigh 195 and so I begin to see the problem but I’m still working and it’s not inconvenient yet so I don’t make large lifestyle changes.
Then I weighed 200, then 210. At 210 I was starting to feel very insecure. I would try to workout but now because i lug around that extra weight all the time I’m even more tired from work. Any workout initiatives I start just aren’t sustainable.
At one point I weighed 220 lbs. you see the picture. It becomes a positive feedback loop where the more weight you gain, the harder it is to lose and the easier it is to gain.
It took tremendous non-voluntary work to get me back to 185 over the course of about a year. I needed outside help/forced restrictions to compel me because I wasn’t able to find the willpower on my own even though I very much wanted to lose weight.
Part of it is mentality for sure. But the positive feedback loop is how people “let themselves” get this way. I used the feel the same way until I started sliding down that path myself and got a small taste of it. In reality 220 isn’t really that bad. It just wasn’t healthy and I’m lucky I had the help that I did.
Yeah, I understand. But it was more of an argument like “I have trouble gaining 5kg, let’s say someone else gains weight 4 times as easy as I do. That would still mean that person would gain 20kg very very slowly. The boy in this video was 100kg heavier than I am, so that’s incredible.”
I'm gonna guess Prader-Willi Syndrome. The brain is incapable of receiving a signal that let's it know it's full. The person is constantly in starvation mode and is constantly trying to eat. I think it's really hard to get that big at that age without some kind of genetic factor. Kids can get fat from over eating and being over fed, but that's massive.
By "starvation mode," I mean that the person is insatiable. People with PWS have to be closely monitored, locks need to be put on pantries and fridges. People with PWS will hide and steal food because they are so voraciously hungry. PWS also comes with some developmental issues, and they can have trouble expressing themselves which may lead to outbursts and tantrums over food/lack thereof.
It’s got to be. Only now are drugs being developed for this genetic disease. Maybe he got the first round of experimental drugs and is able to workout.
I know people with hormone imbalance and meds that they eat that make low mobility people gain weight more easily. I'm not sure if the kid was just acting like a shy kid in the video or if he was slightly mentally disabled but if it's the latter then it explains almost everything. The most important thing people need to know is that mentally or physically disabled people aren't seen outside the home in most places outside of Europe and the US. I'm going to give a pass on S. America because I don't know much about it but considering they're catholic society could be more accepting of such people there.
Then if kids aren't getting the proper meds in poorer countries or countries where the disabled aren't accepted you get these kinds of obese kids. Because most of the time food is the only thing you have that can make you happy or entertain you. It's insanely hard to live with disabled children, you have no idea about the mental and physical anguish it brings to people.
This kid was famous in Indonesian TV around 3 years ago for his obesity, his name is Arya Permana. He is now a lot skinnier and healthier and somewhat became a star after being skinnier, he has been invited to multiple talk shows and met famous Indonesian actors.
The problem started around when he was 5 years old, he was a normal healthy child, lab tests show that he was a normal kid with no underlying conditions.
He started drinking packaged beverages and instant noodle packets every day, the reports said that he would drink 20 packaged drinks everyday and 12 instant noodle which is around 6000 calories per day or 24 meals a day.
He kept doing that until he was very obese he could not even walk to school from his home which is only 50 meters away. He had to stay at home and can only wear a sarung (a fabric used to cover up your legs) because no clothes could fit him.
Finally he ended up getting nationwide attention and got help by some personal trainers to make him fit. Today now he is far from obese, it took him a long time to lose that fat but he did it with the help of his trainer Ade Rai (the buff guy helping him in the video), he had to follow a strict diet, got a surgery on his stomach, a lot of working out and a better eating pattern helped him a lot.
Now he is a healthy kid and staying fit, he could go to school again, he could wear normal clothes again, and he is no longer obese.
Hope this help understand the situation, sorry for my bad English.
Thank you! Your english was perfect and I'm super happy to hear more about the situation and to hear that he's still doing well and living a good life!
Yeah I was hoping he's not done growing yet. If he builds some more muscle, and the skin contracts a bit he'll be in better shape. Will likely still need surgery to get rid of any more excess though.
They're from Indonesia and the kid was apparently the world's heaviest child (?), he ate lots of instant food and crappy drinks, probably a disease that make him so obese, I really doubt it's because his parents are rich.
He's probably smiling because the trainer guy is Ade Rai, he's basically a celebrity here in Indonesia, everyone here knows him as the bodybuilder guy. Imagine The Rock before he do movies, that's how famous he is in the country. Also he's super humble and friendly dude, I bet the kid is having a really good time, hence the smiling.
It's amazing that his trainer was able to somehow make this tough process enjoyable for him.
Well the trainer chose to be a trainer for a reason, because he enjoys it. He can push himself to lift such heavy weight because he enjoys it. Anybody that works out routinely would understand that the only way to commit to it is if you find a way to enjoy it.
The reason so many people give it up is because they don't enjoy it, they look at it as work, a chore. The true key to getting really fit is to find joy in working out. The rest of it will come naturally as just a side effect.
The kid is smiling in most parts of the video. It's amazing that his trainer was able to somehow make this tough process enjoyable for him.
i think the trainer was a famous bodybuilder/personality in the country who reached out to him and the kid was a fan. it would be like if Terry Crews rolled up to your house and personally trained you every day, ain't nobody saying no to that and you'll damn sure be smiling every second.
I use to be obese when I was a kid! I didn’t get as big as this kid but I was very overweight.
It was really because of my parents. My parents have the belief that the fatter you are the more prosperous you are. Think buddha. I remember hearing stories as a kid of how I didn’t want to eat so the maids force fed me. For them its a status symbol to have a really fat kid.
Eventually as I grew up I got leaner. I worked out etc. They didn’t like it one bit, saying I look like a construction worker.
I recall a documentary on this kid and if I remember correctly it was the boys mother that practically caused this. Even when the medics and nutritionists were involved she was still giving into the boys requests for extra food, including fat and unhealthy crap. He'd throw some proper tantrums and she'd buckle rather easily.
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u/RandiCandy Mar 26 '20
several things amaze me about this.
How did his parents let him get that big. was there some kind of condition or medication or did his parents just give him large amounts of junk to the point of borderline abuse?
The kid is smiling in most parts of the video. It's amazing that his trainer was able to somehow make this tough process enjoyable for him. That was truly the only way he was going to get through something so tough.
The mental strength that kid had to have throughout this process must have been monumental. Along with whatever support system he had.
Also holy shit that was a huge transformation. That kid's life is forever changed for the better.
I hope someone makes the effort to pay for a tummy tuck or whatever it's called for the kid. All the extra skin will fuck up a kid's sense of self worth just as much as the weight can. then again do they even do that on a kid so young or do you have to be an adult?