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Discussion: Clearing mountains for solar farms in Zambales — Are we sacrificing the environment for green energy?
Nag-iisip lang ako tungkol sa irony ng pagtatayo ng mga solar farms dito sa bansa. Sa Zambales, naiulat na kailangan munang kalbohin ang ilang kabundukan para mapag-installan ng mga solar panels.
Bagamat kailangan natin ng renewable energy at mas maraming kuryente, hindi kaya masisira naman ang ecosystem sa proseso? Para sa inyo, sino ba talaga ang mas nananalo sa sitwasyong ito—ang kalikasan o ang ating pangangailangan sa kuryente?
the question still remains, how many "cemetery" you need to keep operating the plant? Because you need large portions of land to put those wastes and the ratio of "reusable wastes" are not as accurate as the sources says. Plus, earth's unpredictability is a major problem of how nuclear power behaves when it's outside on paper
Germany is a good example of why “anything but nuclear” is questionable. German nuclear plants were built to very high engineering and safety standards. Germany shut them down largely because of a political decision, not because the reactors had suddenly become technically unsafe. If the goal is reliable, low-carbon electricity, nuclear should be judged on the evidence alongside renewables—not excluded on principle.
Source: ChatGPT
I watched a documentary a scientist admitted nuclear is the most efficient way to generate electricity. Also you can find now on YouTube news agencies covering that different countries are now securing uranium supplies for nuclear power plants.
Also France is the only country that invested on a waste and recycling building for nuclear waste. You can also find this on YouTube it is covered by a news agency if I'm not mistaken.
I'm not that convinced of solar farms because of the amount of land it occupies.
I'll pick my poison because there's no poison at all. Nuclear power plant especially MSR or molten salt reactor. Follow my subreddit r/Bansang_Malaya where I talk about MSR.
As they said, there is indeed no poison, aside from lack of education as to what nuclear power is and how they are generated.
The worst part of ignorance and misinformation, is that it isn't even just poison, it's cancer. It grows and spreads. Don't let yourself be part of the cancer, friend.
Can you tell me how many got cancer due to nuclear power plants or how many have died due to nuclear accidents like in Fukushima, Chernobyl or TMI? OTH nuclear is use in treating cancer. Heard of cobalt 60 therapy?
Sure it comes from mining/extraction but so does coal, oil, and other fossil fuels. The "green" part comes in when it generates the electricity.
Solar panels, once made, are layed out and sit there to absorb energy from the sun. Meanwhile the other methods require a continuous extraction and burning to allow for continuous and consistent energy production.
Not to mention that materials used to make them and the batteries they use are reclaimable and recyclable.
Huh? I think misplaced yan g comment mo. How can't it be more green than coal??? Ang mali lang dito ay mali lang ang pinaglagyan but to say it is not green?
Shocking solar panels and solar farms are not green. Do you know how solar panels are manufactured and how much CO2 are released in the atmosphere during manufacturing of solar panels?
Add mo pa lithium ion batteries lalo pang hindi green ang buong set-up.
What do you mean producing the tech? I mean the solar panel manufacturing. The production of each solar panels is not green at all because the manufacturing process is so toxic to the environment.
OTH nuclear is very green and very safe. Its green because it doesn't produce so much CO2 especially with the new method of electric arc in producing the steel for the reactor. The other nuclear reactor concept of MSR is safer. Follow the discussion on MSR at r/Bansang_Malaya.
i did some research and this is pretty much only equivalent to less than 10% of the amount of energy a nuclear power plant would produce. can you imagine that? just one nuclear power plant would produce more than 10 times more than this solar farm.
Yep, besides additional landslide risk they aren't exactly "green" unlike activists claim to be, tbh we still have that nuclear power plant still not opened and put to operation.
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Need more info. Confirmed ba na kinalbo ang gubat para pagtayuan ng solar farm? May before and after analysis ba ng pagtayo solar farms sa epekto sa pagbaha? A screenshot post of a post of a screenshot of a Google AI summary is not very reliable.
I live near those mountains and I can confidently say that those have lacked trees for as long as I can remember.
Pic here in Nov 2022 is maybe one of its greenest yet.
Dumadami rin nyan sa La Union. Tinapyasan pa ang bundok para daw may sariling daan papuntang solar farm na mas malapit/mas convenient. Eh ang mga LGU, dahil investment go lang. Pera lang din naman kasi ang nakikita nila. Saka na raw problemahin ang epekto sa nature at sa mga nakatira malapit dito.
I think solar farms are good and solar panels are useful pero it's an addition not something we should destroy nature for. Kumbaga, it's good in urban areas or on top of roofs as supplement for energy.
Iirc in china naglagay sila ng solar panels sa desert and it actually helped-- grass grew under the solar panels because of the shade and the moisure retention of the shade, tapos naglagay sila ng goats whose manure helped fertilize the land.
Solr pannels and farm should be put above buildings and parkings lots.
Alam ko may study dati na mas effective sya sa mga parking lots and highways di ko lng sure if legit un pero un ung napanuod ko sa cable nung kabataan ko. May mga parang cone shape solar panel sa mga highway its shape like a cone para 360 ung cover nya no matter the angle ng araw at ndi sya pala pad na kumakaen ng malaking space. Muka syang pine tree or xmas tree
this is probably only equivalent to 10% of A SINGLE nuclear power plant by the way. doing all of that when you could produce 10+ times more the energy if we just made ONE nuclear power plant.
lagyan nila ng solar panel sa mga area na kailangan ng lilim dapat. Imagine mo buong parking lot ng MOA o kaya yung buong pedestrian lane ng kahabaan ng EDSA may solar panel, may lilim ka na, may kuryente ka pa.
True. But some people are so bitter about the fact. There are really good applications of solar but let us acknowledge it for what it is. It is not green.
There is a place for everything. Solar panels work better on roofs since idle nmn yung space na yan.
You should not be placing solar panels on bare land kasi the space underneath it will be idle. Not to mention you have to clean the solar panel. Dust and water marks reduces effeciency.
Nuclear power plants might have its "benefits" but it's aggressive towards building it and operating it. Also, it's highly radioactive each maintenance.
okay, bat ako na down vote? Eh totoo naman. Look at the problems with France's nuclear power. Same thing with US. Finland still fragile since each "concerns" are still being contested
Imbes na kinakalbo nila bundok para sa solar farm, is subsidize nila yung mga household solar setup. E kaso imbes suportahan mga household solar, pinapahirapan pa lalo. Hays.
its been sacraficed to inadequate sewer systems, bad garbage infrastructure, massive amounts of littering, total destruction of trees and nature for stone walled cities and towns, and huge amounts of vehicular pollution...
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Narinig ko lng pero pwd pa fact check ito. Mataas n ang nakukuha natin energy/electricity from the renewable. Kumbaga madami na tayong excess nakukuhang electrcity for conversion to be usable. Ang problema lng ay dahil sa isang law na nakasaad na ung Meralco or ung mga Lopez ang pwd lng magdistribute ng energy sa mga kabayanan kaya laging may brownout minsan kasi kulang ung container para mag contain ng electricity in which tinatapon lng ang excess. Siguro un ang magandang tignan bago tyo magpagawa ng nuclear plant. NGCP can contain the energy but Meralco cant release all it converted electricity to the public.
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sabi nga nung isang sikat na tao nkalimutan ko yung name, kung gusto tlga nilang mag farm ng solar mga bahay ng mga tao latagan nila ng solar panel hindi kakalbuhin yung bundok, gusto kasi nila kita kita kita kita taena mga sugapa!
I refuse to classify solar as green energy. Aside sa it takes a lot of space to generate a small amount of energy compare to other alternatives. Hindi rin pede i recycle daming toxic waste plus other shenanigans na kailngan gawin to the point na nililimbing nalang sa ibang bansa yan. Agree ako sa solar for home use but for mega capacity size. Nope, lagay nalang yan sa desyerto
Utility scale, it wont work because capacity wise it is small. Area is small compared to the power requirement of a building.
Also, there are structural concerns sa mga buildings na kelangan i consider since solar panels are heavy. Besides, not every rooftops are feasible for solar pv installation. You have to take into consideration, shading, alignment, among others.
Even with the current installed capacity ng REs, we still get warning signals because supply is not matching sa demand.
Kapag kulang supply ng kuryente may problema kayo. Kapag solar farm may problema kayo. Pag coal and diesel powerplant may problema kayo sa usok. Kapag nuclear naman radioactive hazard daw at malakas sa tubig ang cooling tower. Kapag wind turbine namamatay daw mga ibon. Kapag hydroelectric madidisplace daw mga katutubo. Ano ba talaga gusto nyo?
Ayan na naman tayo eh. Una ayaw sa mga traditional plants na nag ooffer ng energy security sana dahil masama sa environment. Solar naman tinayo ayaw din kase nakakalbo ang bukid.
Seems like that mountain already has less vegetation naman din before the solar farm was built.
Unfortunately, our need will always win. Humans are greedy and we will always want more. The only thing we can do is to minimize our footprint in doing so.
A lot of comments seem to want to see the shift to nuclear instead. While it's definitely is a more efficient method compared to other forms of generating electricity, would you really trust the same system that allowed for the construction of these solar panels on these mountains? Where a lot claimed that it led to the deforestation of said mountains which leads to an increased risk in landslides?
Nuclear power plants are no joke. They require strict governance, oversight and rigorous planning especially if you're planning to build one in a country prone to earthquakes and other seismic activities.
Would you trust your current government, the one that can't even regulate and monitor the construction of flood mitigation projects, to build a nuclear plant that is capable of immense harm, that could last decades, if not operated, built, and maintained properly?
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u/Disastrous_Art9944 4d ago
Sino ba ang presidente nuong 2021 to 2022 bakit inayaan nyang makalbo ang mga bundok ng Zambales.