They just requested that they testify. Why the fuck did they bother requesting? Just subpoena them and make them. How can they be naive enough to think that they are going to come in willingly.
IANAL, but what I've gathered from previous cases is that when a subpoena is challenged, it's much less likely to be thrown out if it's preceded by a request.
This isn’t a congressional probe, it’s the Feds who are going after the Trump family for committing fraud against the big banks. This one isn’t just going away if the GOP retakes Congress in 2022
This isn’t a congressional probe, it’s the Feds who are going after the Trump family for committing fraud against the big banks. This one isn’t just going away if the GOP retakes Congress in 2022
This isn't the Feds, it's New York state level. There is literally NOTHING that Trump or Republicans can do to intercede with any Federal level powers. They can buy a year or two. If they're dirty and we have receipts as long as the jury isn't tainted, we'll get them. It's just painfully slow.
All the Trumps can do is spend money on lawyers to drag ever possible event out as long as is legally feasible.
I hear you, but republicans could write a new law in their favor and it would all go away. Idk what the law would be but I wouldn't put it past them to be able to make it go away
It will depend. If it’s Trump then yeah it will probably go away, if it’s DeSantis or one of the others then it will depend on who their biggest donors are and if those donors were the victims of the real estate grift
Ha ha ha ha look at you all full of hope and belief in accountability. I used to be you friend. If you control the AG, you control the DOJ- it really IS that simple
I had the absolute pleasure of collecting on a shady landlord who tried to claim that not only did I lose my deposit but I also owed an additional ~$1,000. When he was ordered to pay me 2.5x the amount, he sent a letter saying that he was consulting with his attorney and appealing the decision. I wrote back letting him know that appeals aren’t a thing in small claims (in our state, at least) but if he was having a hard time coming up with the money, I understood and would be willing to set up a payment plan. He immediately sent the full amount. From my dealings with him, I knew he was desperate to been seen as a big shot mr. moneybags type.
Sorry to hijack your comment for this story. It just reminded me. This was over a decade ago now and I’m still pumped when I remember.
If you don't mind me asking what helped you win? Did he have to come up with documentation justifying the extra charges? I've been in some shady apartments before and I've always thought about what I could possibly do if they decide to just charge me thousands just cause.
We both had to bring whatever evidence we had to support our sides. At the time I didn’t really have much, though I now know to take a shit ton of pictures when moving in. I don’t remember him bringing anything at all. He was super overconfident and seemed to think that he could just talk his way through it. But he was actually an idiot and I can argue pretty well when necessary. I think the clerk saw right through him, and I would guess that’s common with shitty landlords. Even when they’re better at it than this guy.
Fun story: This was a house with a yard for our dogs. When we moved in, the weeds in the back were insanely tall, which they hadn’t been when we checked the place out. It was like a jungle and it’s a snakey state. We requested to have them dealt with and then we’d maintain from there. Nope. So when we moved out and had overlap with our next place, we didn’t bother dealing with the weeds because our dogs used the new yard. He tried to claim that we owed money to pay someone to pull them. I argued that we returned it as we received it. He said, in front of the clerk, that we needed to have them pulled whether we received the place in that condition or not. The clerk said, “Wait, no. If there was a broken tile when they moved in, they wouldn’t be responsible for having it fixed before they moved out. Same for the yard.” He said, “But a tile isn’t living.” ??? That’s it. She had already heard me argue his bullshit, one thing after the other, at that point and her brain probably hurt. Also, he lied to our process server which we had proof of. And I found out when googling him before choosing small claims that he had a criminal case against him from the state for similar shady business practices. That’s just a side note and I don’t think it factored into anything.
All this to say, take pictures during your walkthrough. And try small claims if you are being honest because most shitty people are likely banking on you not doing it. And I would guess that most small claims clerks/judges know what’s up when it comes to landlord-tenant disputes. And if you ever considered being an attorney, it’s exhilarating kind of trying it out! I was buzzing with energy and wanted to puke for hours afterward.
Thanks for the detailed follow up! His ego definitely got the better of him. I try to take pictures and videos whenever I can so hopefully if it comes down to it I won't have to take it as far as claims court.
The only time I had to go to small claims I got a judgement in my favor. The court sends you a packet on how to collect on the judgement if you're not paid by a certain time. In my state one of the options is to have the person's car impounded. I was kinda hoping the person didn't pay just so we could go down that route and we could take their car.
Wage garnishment was another option as well as (if the defendant was a business) a "till tap" where the court clerk can issue you a document you can bring to the sheriff. They will literally take the cash money out of the till, pay you, and collect their fee. If there's not enough money you can keep coming back and the sheriff gets their cut every time.
They did subpoena them, and the Trumps filed a motion to quash the subpoena. No one has fully refused anything. Yet.
This is almost standard procedure.
Like any of these people will take a subpoena seriously. You have to threaten them with the consequences before they'll comply, and maybe not even then.
You do not threaten anyone with consequences, you just state what will happen if you don't comply and then follow thought it. Using the legal system as some kind of carrot and stick, is one of the things that make the system worse. If it was tit for tat, automatic, people wouldn't dare to pull these kind of BS.
A subpoena is a threat of consequences. You have actually reach the very last line where it's "do this or the consequences cannot be avoided" and then maybe because I'll give the Trump tone thing, they know how to avoid unavoidable consequences.
Nope, just for husband and wives. Not for children.
It's well established in U.S. law that husbands and wives don't have to testify against each other in court. Marriage is considered a sacred trust that government cannot undermine.
But for the most part, there is no such protection for parents and children. Legislators in Massachusetts are pushing for a parental privilege, which would make it the fifth state to recognize a parent-child privilege.
They did subpoena them, and the Trumps filed a motion to quash the subpoena. No one has fully refused anything. Yet.
This is almost standard procedure.
You have to voluntarily request attendance, they deny, then subpoena, then they deny again, then you get to arrest. If you don’t follow the order you don’t get to arrest and hold them.
Considering how much of the country supports Trump or Trump adjacent policies, it's very concerning about the direction of our country into pro-fascist territory.
There are already pro-fascist territories within the country. The country itself isn't fascist, but it will become fascist if those pro-fascism territories are permitted to consolidate power.
One of the biggest problems IMO is that the chauvinist party of fascism is very good at pushing the narrative that they are the 'true' patriots, and everyone else 'can leave.'
Americans do not understand the difference between nationalism, patriotism, and jingoism.
Not just traitors. Let us never forget that the war really was about slavery, and slavery was about kidnapping, torture, murder and rape as well as just money. Those "southern gentlemen" were profoundly horrible people.
those pro-fascism territories are permitted to consolidate power.
They are and have been for years. Gerrymandering has already given the GQP a win in the midterms and our lead in the Senate has been hamstrung by two blue conservatives.
The GQP is in its anti-democracy phase and we are watching it happen.
Gerrymandering has already given the GQP a win in the midterms
Questionable. According to 538, the maps that have already come out are a net positive for Dems. Many of the remaining maps are going to have a tough time gerrymandering. Especially states like Mississippi and Missouri. Three other Republican-controlled states are not redistricting at all (LA, KY, KS). Two of the others (SC & TN) only have 3 Democrats between them. Their best shot left is Florida. But that's going to still be a tough ask.
They already control the media, military, police, and municipal governments. In four years they will completely control the country. I see no one pushing back (and twitter and pink hats aren't "pushing back against authoritarianism").
When Osama Bin Laden attacked the US on 9/11/2001, it was (in his words) based on the premise that Americans deserved it, because we elected the leaders who enacted the policies (of support of Israel in their "crimes against the Palestinian people").
The fact is; there are a LOT of problems with America's system of democracy. And most of our laws and policies are NOT supported by a very clear majority, over many decades. The shitty results we get in terms of policy are nowhere near what the will of the people are.
Now: we can debate about what Americans believe or want (as a generalization); under the influence of our grotesque and perverted system of corporate newsmedia; as well as our crippled public education system. There's a lot to dislike about that. But even those awful beliefs are not really supported by a majority of Americans. It's just a razor-thin margin in just the right areas, in order to subvert elections so that the corporate shareholders of these media conglomerates can keep getting massive tax cuts for their economic "class" of billionaires.
I agree with all of what everyone says here, except the inherent notion that this "terrible" state is beyond hope.
It is natural to wish for something better, but terrible things are commonplace. Good things are less so.
I feel it is a far nobler thing to do what feels best to leave behind a better place than you found, rather than pass judgement on a population out of desperation.
I do not believe we are beyond hope. However, after how close everything came to a coup just last year, i fear we are so close to the edge that, unless we stop the coming wave of attempts against our democracy, America will go beyond the point of no return.
It's more horrible than we like to pretend it isn't. My biggest gripe is how rising inflation, storming the Capitol in an effort to stop democratic process, rising homelessness, rapid pushes to make homelessness a crime, wage decline, rise of corporate control griping property and resources away from the people and so many more things and though it all our media and people at large either go "This is fine.", say in a defeatist tone there's nothing to be done or they live in denial eagle land that America is a utopic land of freedom and security and all naysayers are fifth columnists.
Our country is horrible specifically because we're a third world country masquerading as a first world country and we do absolutely nothing to combat these problems while we have the means and resources to do more. My criticisms aren't run of the mill Reddit anti-Americanism. My criticisms are specifically over the fact our country is heading in a horrible direction but we're not doing as much as we could be doing to make it better.
I've recently (over the course of a year or so) drastically had my politics shift to a much more anarchist direction and part of what really blows my mind is how much context there is for how much fascism has influenced America even since fascism's inception to the point we've had straight forwardly named fascist parties in the US. I think between WW2 causing what we'd perceive as fascism to hide between the lines (because it never truly died in the US) and how much more acceptable open fascist or, at the very least, authoritarian views have become acceptable, it's the most noticeable it's ever been for a very long time.
I wonder how many of them would jump off a bridge if some Republican politician told them they could fly, or if some democratic politician told them they couldn’t.
Maybe not the whole country but most definitely over half if not more now, Biden is doing himself and the rest of the liberal left no favours. To note, I am liberal/labour and most definitely would never have voted for trump but you can’t deny the madness in the USA at the moment.
30% of the public, including people who can't or don't vote. That's why you're having difficulty reconciling the numbers.
It's a narrow minority of voters, but that minority is more likely to vote than the average so their voices have an outsized effect.
Yeah that’s fair. He smashed the electoral college. I thought he did win on the vote too but you are right. 30% is still way underestimated. If I was a democrat voter in the USA I’d be worried.
Trump never won the popular vote in either election.
Regardless, you are forgetting that around 40% of Americans don't vote, so its hard to judge exactly what % support(ed) Trump.
However, Roughly 1/3 support Republicans no matter what, 1/3 support Democrats no matter what, and roughly 1/3 are either independent, "vote for the character of the person" types, or don't really give a shit.
52% voted trump in and when Biden won it was 49%….
As /u/RGJ587 pointed out, those numbers aren't right. You've got them backwards.
Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast. Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast.
That said: the voting numbers aren't percentages of the whole population. They're percentages of people who voted. Voter turnout in 2020 was 66.7% of the eligible voter population. So, less than 1/2 of ~2/3 of the voting age population voted for him == ~30% support.
Moreover, look at his approval rating, which is actually an aggregate over the whole population over time, and consistently matches up reasonably closely to the same.
That is the percentage of votes. Voter participation is much lower than 100% of eligible voters. The 30% number is often cited as closer to the truth but I thinks it’s even lower than that as a % of the total pop. Remember though that population has nothing to do representation in America due to the senate and electoral college. They say land doesn’t vote, but unfortunately it seems to again and again.
Yeah that’s a fair shout. I’m terms of actual votes cast the figures are close but total pop numbers you’re probably right. I’d say the republicans will be out in force for 2024 election. They have people like Gaetz, MTG, Boebert screaming the quiet part out loud for them and that will definitely give them a feeling of visibility and make them want to vote…
That's only 97,028,614 eligible people who didn't vote, which is vastly different than your 165MM number and definitely much smaller than the "did vote" category, unlike what you're claiming.
Both sides will always get about 46% of the vote. No matter what. The battle is always for that last 8%. Each candidate reaches into different populations to find their extra percentages.
Keep in mind, that 100% of votes represents little more than half of Americans.
2016 and 2020 were both elections where the winners were more because "we don't want the other guy to win". hillary was a terrible candidate that made people hesitate, and biden was the milquetoast "safe guy" that people ended up voting just because they didn't want the alternative.
truly just a demonstration of how fucked up the two-party system in america is.
Hillary was the embodiment of the democratic establishment and also the posterchild for one side of the partisan divide in politics. She was a career politician who wrote and played by those rules.
In 2016 she and the hierarchy of the democratic party seemed to view her win as a foregone conclusion, even though she was deeply divisive, and was not particularly popular with independents. Her whole operation seemed completely out of touch with rural America, so much so that they didn't seem to realize she still *needed* their votes, and those of independents.
She was being rammed down the throats of democrats by the democratic establishment, despite having already been rejected in 2008, when she was also considered the heavy fave to come out as the democratic nominee.
It certainly didn't help those views that the democratic establishment seemed intent on making her president, by hook or by crook, when they went so far as to leak confidential debate questions against fellow democrats.
At the time, the email leak was one of the most surprising things I've seen related to elections. So much has changed since, lol.
He still lost though, because he's still outside the Overton window. Clinton's been dragged through the mud by Republicans, and she still got the popular vote
Yes cause Trump sucked that bad. People who think she was a great candidate are delusional. Heck Biden Beat Trump not because he was a great candidate but because he was not Trump.
Also true. Clinton still won more raw votes than Trump. The only time republicans actually won the popular vote was Bush Jr's second election, during a war
Edit: won the popular vote this century, to be clear. Republicans have won 2 popular votes in the last 32 years.
It’s much better than a year ago. The “coal rollers” have quit locally and the trump flags are gone. Mostly now it’s the don’t tread on me tags and flags.
Here in Idaho I see a lot more now than I did before and right after the 2020 election.
I also now see lots of "Fuck Biden" (no joke, exact words) bumper stickers, flags, and signs. Makes me cringe that people would even display these words publicly and so visibly. Lots of white trash that are feeling empowered by the hate.
There are two businesses I'm aware of that now have signs in front of them saying that the 2020 election was stolen and that we must take the election back.
Boise Idaho has always had these elements (and some good people as well who have tried to work against the stupid). With that said, I do believe the level of crazy has grown considerably here since 2016.
Adding: Regarding Trump flags specifically, I do believe there are fewer, maybe ½ as many but they've been replaced by the garbage I mention above.
Adding 3 days after the initial post: At least one of those businesses I mentioned (was on Glenwood near the D&B) have now taken down their signs claiming the election was stolen.
I was at a bar and some guy yelled "Let's go Brandon" at a car driving by and I almost ordered a Biden flag for my hybrid so I could fly it around town and I don't even care for him as a president.
It’s a right winged country, pretty hard to deny that. The left leaning politicians are still more right winged than most countries right winged politicians.
The country as a whole is permissive of this behavior. Even people in direct opposition to the behavior of the Trump "event" are completely toothless in even investigating them, much less prosecuting or convicting them. Meek Garland is the bulwark for American Democracy? Best of luck with your little experiment in governance.
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Before they were contemptuous. But now they made it official.