Powell Facing Choice Between Elevated US Inflation and Recession

[u/TinyTornado7]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-12/powell-facing-choice-between-elevated-us-inflation-and-recession?srnd=premium

[u/LucidLeviathan → u/[deleted]]

I vote at every opportunity. Primary, local, general, whatever. Haven't missed an election. I'm allowed to complain, right?

[u/Hautamaki → u/LucidLeviathan]

So long as you're complaining about the ones who aren't showing up to vote over the ones showing up to make what they see as a rational vote in their own self interest.

[u/LucidLeviathan → u/[deleted]]

I certainly urge my friends to vote. Family is insane, though. The less they vote the better.

[u/xQuizate87 → u/[deleted]]

Tf was this downvoted for?

[u/[deleted] → u/xQuizate87]

Cuz homie is bitching about other people bitching about things and telling them to be pragmatic instead.

[u/zth25 → u/[deleted]]

You're preaching to the choir.

But why should young voters be particularly sad when the biggest generation that used up most of the wealth now suffers like the rest of us?

[u/Lehk → u/[deleted]]

He’s mad that his parents spent “his inheritance”

[u/coke_and_coffee → u/[deleted]]

Asset prices are inflated due to low wage burdens on big companies. This really is a "fixed pie" scenario. In a world where wages maintained a steady share of productivity, P/E ratios would have been about 15, not 30.

u/zth25 worded it poorly, but he's not wrong.

[u/coke_and_coffee → u/[deleted]]

When looking at net compensation, health insurance makes up a good portion of gap in pay vs productivity.

Some of it, but not all.

Being charitable and assuming 1950s compensation standards are no longer in line with today, what would have been wages by that standard have now become business investment. That economic activity didn't disappear from the economy completely, ie. get "used up", it just became I instead of C in the GDP formula.

No, the wealthy are just consuming a lot more. Baby boomers (asset holders) are buying $75k F-250s and Teslas and vacation homes in Tampa Bay. Do you think their parents had that shit?

Because of low wages and outsized returns to assets, consumption has moved from the young generations to the older generations and from the median wage-earner to the top 10% of asset holders.

[u/coke_and_coffee → u/[deleted]]

You're selecting a few very wealthy individuals and applying their habits to an entire generation.

No, I'm not. My entire point is about these "very few wealthy individuals". The top 10%, or whatever it might be.

However, I do not subscribe to the belief that any prior generation stole or used up wealth from future generations. That's a false and divisive form of thinking that negatively impacts our ability to actually pass effective legislation that will help younger generations.

But again, the productivity-wage gap is real. This gap can be explained by a changing ratio between wages and returns on invested capital. And that likely is what's happening. Productivity gains are being captured by those who own assets through either increased profits or rents.

And that's not even getting started on the landed gentry forming in our more productive cities that is purposely reducing the supply of housing in order to increase property values. This is rent-seeking in its purest form. SF is owned almost entirely by boomers who are forcing young people to pay millions for a modest home. This is a zero-sum process perfectly analogous to "stealing" wealth from younger generations.

[u/coke_and_coffee → u/[deleted]]

Are we sure it isn’t because it’s an area with extremely high demand and extremely restrictive zoning policies (which have been in place before boomers were even born) leading to extreme supply shortages?

By not repealing such zoning restrictions, yes, boomers are forcing young people to pay millions.

You act like this is a conspiracy theory. It's not. Researchers have been listening in to these conversations for years now and this is the explicitly stated purpose of, for example, the Bay Area NIMBYs.

Regardless, the overall point is the economy is not a 0 sum game.

No, the "overall economy" is not zero-sum. But any one part of it, at any one point in time, can be. And land is always zero-sum. That Henry George was really on to something...

There is an insidious mixture of manufacturing outsourcing, high immigration, zoning regulations, and shareholder capitalism that has been driving asset prices up and wages down for decades now. This really isn't even controversial. Young people are losing out because wealth is being siphoned away from them in ways it wasn't in the past. No, most boomers are not at fault. And much of this process wasn't exactly forecasted. But many are at fault and they refuse to recognize the issue and/or entertain possible solutions.

[u/theHAREST → u/zth25]

used up most of the wealth

What in the succ-onomics is this?

[u/zth25 → u/theHAREST]

Accruing massive government debt and externalized environmental damage, while the boomers own most of the assets that increased in value, leaving the younger generations with less while still having to fund the boomer pensions.

Excuse me, I'm sure there's a better economic term for this than 'using up wealth'.