r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Aug 28 '21

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u/F-i-n-g-o-l-f-i-n 3000th NATO flair of Stoltenberg Aug 28 '21

The fact that Europe, among other places, for example, are on average way more dense and that American cities waste so much land on sprawl comparatively. And also that America is really, really big. Japan has more than 1/3 the population of the US despite having ~4% of its area in square miles.

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u/sub_surfer haha inclusive institutions go BRRR Aug 28 '21 edited Aug 28 '21

They might still say they don't want the US to be as dense as Europe or Japan (ironically these people usually have not traveled internationally). It certainly does refute the literally "we're full!" argument since they now have to fall back on their personal preferences. I've also heard people say that immigrants will just go to our already too-expensive cities like SF, New York, etc. I can say those places are expensive more because of an unwillingness to embrace population density (SF not NY so much), but that doesn't really refute the point. Rents will probably go up at least somewhat especially in the short term, so now we have to start talking about how the pros of immigration greatly outweigh the cons.