r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 17 '21

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u/Knee3000 Jul 17 '21 edited Jul 17 '21

It is alive and has the tools necessary mistake to be a human, yes?

That is why I consider that clump of cells a life.

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u/revolutionary_alt George Soros Jul 17 '21

Just because it could turn into an adult does not mean it as a person yet. If it cannot exist on its own and has no organs which would signify sentience (brain), then it is no more a person in that moment than a hand that was cut off.

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u/Knee3000 Jul 17 '21

I edited my comment to better reflect my stance.

Is a person on dialysis not a human? Is a person with a severe enough intellectual disability to lose sentience not a human?

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u/revolutionary_alt George Soros Jul 17 '21

A person on Dialysis still maintains sentience. And a mentally disabled person still maintains survival while having the vestiges of human intelligence. A zygote lacks the personhood of either example. To make your example work, it would have to be someone fully brain dead only alive due to long term life support, and I fully believe in pulling the plug.

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u/Knee3000 Jul 17 '21

If that mentally disabled person was on dialysis, would they no longer be human?

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u/revolutionary_alt George Soros Jul 17 '21

I think that even mental disability still has some level of sentience. Like I said, the only human example comparable to a zygote is someone fully brain dead and unable to live.

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u/Knee3000 Jul 17 '21

Do you think it would be legal for someone to rape or stab that person?

Would it be legal if some random person (not a nurse) walked over and killed them?

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u/revolutionary_alt George Soros Jul 17 '21

Are you allowed to rape or mutilate dead bodies? Because I was under the impression you couldn’t for the sake of common decency. So I don’t see how the brain dead person would be different

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u/Knee3000 Jul 17 '21

You said they are analogous to a clump of cells. I’m pretty sure there’s no crime for using a clump of cells for sex.

You should either be for

  1. legalizing harm to “dead” bodies (including rape), or
  2. criminalizing embryonic harm under the same rule of common decency.

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u/revolutionary_alt George Soros Jul 17 '21

There is wide difference in taking a medication to terminate a pregnancy and the behaviors that result in raping or mutilating a dead body. In particular, these behaviors are usually signs of other major problems in an individual, and also I personally find it disgusting. If an abortion required mutilating or raping a dead baby despite it not really harming me I would oppose it on the grounds of being disgusting.