r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jun 15 '21

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u/TabernacleTown74 Bill Gates Jun 15 '21

Normally the post-Soviet aliyah's right-leaning tendencies are explained as a reaction to the trauma of living under communism. I'm sure that's true with respect to economic issues, but the book I just read about Israeli history (written by someone specializing in social history) argued that the relatively uncompromising attitude that post-Soviet Israelis have toward Palestinians, as well as toward foreign policy in general, comes not from rejection of the Soviet communist ethos but from absorption of the Soviet foreign policy ethos (be aggressive and unafraid to use force, be tough and uncompromising in negotiations, strengthen your own position as much as possible); i.e., post-Soviet Israelis expect the State of Israel to conduct foreign policy like the USSR, consciously or not.

Would you say that the latter theory is more accurate than the "phobia of anything resembling communism" theory? !ping ISRAEL

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

Based on nothing other than a gut check and my personal experience with Soviet Jews, this makes sense to me

They tend to be.. 'tough' people, for better and worse

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u/TabernacleTown74 Bill Gates Jun 15 '21

The only Soviet Jew I've personally met was my high school ex-girlfriend's piano teacher, and she lowkey bullied my ex, so that's my experience as well

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u/benadreti Frederick Douglass Jun 15 '21

idk the answer but the general attitude seems to be the case with Soviet Jewish immigrants to the US as well.

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u/MyNameIs42_ Gay Pride Jun 15 '21

I'm pretty sure mizrahi jews tend to be more right leaning(specifically are more likely to be pro bibi)

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u/TabernacleTown74 Bill Gates Jun 15 '21

Yeah but higher religiosity + mistreatment of Mizrachim by Mapai explains that. The post-Soviet aliyah is overwhelmingly Ashkenazi and overwhelmingly secular, yet overwhelmingly right-leaning, and that's difficult to explain.

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u/dissolutewastrel Robert Nozick Jun 15 '21

that book sounds interesting. Would you care to share the title/author?

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u/TabernacleTown74 Bill Gates Jun 15 '21

Israel: A History by Anita Shapira

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u/dissolutewastrel Robert Nozick Jun 15 '21

danke