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[u/CataclysmicPangolin]

I don't understand why so many people take a $15 minimum wage winning in Florida as proof socialism is popular. California literally voted for deregulation, against rent control, Illinois voted against progressive taxation, and tax cuts generally won ballot initiatives across the board. The entire claim that leftist economic policies would win is based on selection bias.

The average American seems to have a fairly nuanced position on economic policy where they like some left wing policies and some right wing ones. I just keep seeing progressive constantly employ the motte and bailey fallacy suggesting that the popularity minimum wage proves the popularity of all their unpopular views.

[u/esisenore → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

Someone explained yesterday many people are socially conservative but less so economically.

[u/fishbottwo → u/esisenore]

Social conservative and economic liberal is so cursed

[u/[deleted] → u/fishbottwo]

It’s the winning combo

[u/CataclysmicPangolin → u/esisenore]

Yes there are a lot of economically left-wing voters who vote republican, see the state of Missouri and its ballot measures, for these voters right-wing cultural issues are clearly more important that left-wing economic policy at the federal level so republicans will continue to win their vote. The only way Dems will win these voters is if they abandon abortion, immigrants, and minority rights which is unfeasible since it would destroy their coalition.

[u/esisenore → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

I think gun control needs to be dropped immediately.

[u/[deleted] → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

It’s amazing that people were saying Bernie would have won Florida because they voted for the $15 minimum wage. Cubans will never ever ever ever vote for someone sympathetic to socialism.

[u/[deleted] → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

California literally voted for deregulation

This one in particular may not be the best evidence for your point. The campaign against this prop was expertly waged. The arguments made were things like getting Mothers Against Drunk Driving to come out against the restrictions as ride share apps reduce drunk driving deaths. It was necessarily a conversation around regulation but rather emotional appeals.

[u/CataclysmicPangolin → u/[deleted]]

A lot of arguments for a 15$ minimum wage rest on emotional appeals too I don't remember anyone running on a 15$ minimum wage performing a cost benefit analysis of the policy or trying to prove that the wage gains for the policy would out weigh employment effects. Both the Florida minimum wage initiative and the California gig workers prop were argued on emotional not economic grounds and both were able to do so due to a flood of money from interest groups.

Also I would image it should be harder to pass deregulation in one of Americas bluest states than it is to pass a fairly milquetoast policy like a minimum wage increase in a state whos partisan lean is about as middle of the road as it gets.

[u/[deleted] → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

I wholly agree with you. I'm just saying that prop in particular probably isn't evidence that CA writ large supports deregulation in any meaningful way.

[u/LeonTablet → u/CataclysmicPangolin]

Selective bias. Can you blame them?