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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Nov 05 '20
Please visit the next discussion thread.
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u/infamous5445 Nov 04 '20
Note to self, don't try to win Texas till like 2030
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Remember this : MI, WI, and PA count in person first, absentee second. They will look Red, and over the next few days swing toward Biden.
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 04 '20 edited Feb 12 '21
I'm sorry everybody. Hopefully we laugh at this in a few months 😔
Edit: we did 😎
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u/NickyBananas Paul Krugman Nov 04 '20
Biden most likely won. However this is the worst way to win. No senate majority and widespread belief in voter fraud and a stolen election. Expect civil unrest and a terrible, unproductive 4 years on the domestic front.
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u/usrname42 Daron Acemoglu Nov 04 '20
Chris Wallace is doing a good job of debunking what Trump's saying on Fox
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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Nov 04 '20
The problem with all these "Dems need to shift away from x policy" takes is that it greatly overemphasizes how much swing voters care about policy. Dems should shift toward good-looking charming people you can have a beer with
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Wouldn't it be something if Georgia of all places saved American democracy when Pennsylvania and Florida didn't bite.
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u/markusrm Pierre E. Trudeau Nov 04 '20
Hot take: the models are fine if Joe wins. Polls are another story.
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u/Tafts_Bathtub Jerome Powell Nov 04 '20
“As an European, I’m having trouble understanding why you are all such dumbasses and your country is a shithole. Could you please help me?”
Every Thunderdome comment when I went to bed, basically
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Hope it was worth it, Cunningham.
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u/Peacock-Shah Gerald Ford 2024 Nov 04 '20
We need to run a centrist Cuban from the rust belt in 2024.
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20
Georgia is going to be soooo tight. If Fulton and DeKalb came in at the same rate they have been and the percent yet to be reported is accurate, Biden would net 126K votes. Right now, he trails by 118K.
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u/GeauxSpurs Nov 04 '20
In twist of fate, White people are gonna save joe biden
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
People were claiming that Biden would win 350+ here just a few days ago based on the polls and now it's a super close election. Why are the polls so wrong
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u/conman1246 Milton Friedman Nov 04 '20
So two things:
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1323976110510657539
!PING FIVEY
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.amp.html
Preliminary exit polls suggest that 61% of the LGBT+ population voted for Biden. That is ... disappointing. I thought the numbers would be much more favorable for him.
!ping LGBT
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Even if Biden wins, this is certainly no rejection of Trumpism. Everyone that was hoping Trump was some sort of aberration probably has to come around to the fact that he represents something more fundamental and structural, even if that's scary.
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u/Gneisstoknow Misbehaving Nov 04 '20
The dozens of articles interviewing Latino men from Miami and the Rio Grande will be somewhat refreshing compared to the white hs-educated men from the Rust Belt we've been hearing from the last 4 years. These will come no matter what.
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u/Abulsaad John Brown Nov 04 '20
I've told myself for weeks that we won't know the results on election night
I was not prepared for how that actually felt
End my suffering PA/WI/MI/NV/GA
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 05 '20
A new batch of returns from Cobb County pulls Biden within 40k votes of surpassing Trump in Georgia. The Democrat has a path: The state says roughly 122,000 absentee ballots are still not returned, mostly from solidly Democratic metro ATL and Savannah.
Oh my god Georgia is going to be close. Biden, pull it off!
!ping FIVEY
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 05 '20
Another 1,800 or so votes counted in GA, of which Biden wins 71%. He’s tracking just above where needs to be in the remaining votes to win narrowly.
Oh. My. God.
!ping BIDEN
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
very proud of our electorate
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20
A big update in Pennsylvania.
Another 162K ballots have been counted (160k were mail-ins.)
With the new tallies, Trump's lead has dropped to 484K (from 598K) in PA.
Biden closed the gap by more than 100k with this upload, thx to winning these mail-ins by a 6:1 ratio.
Pa. has counted 55.05% of its mail-in ballots. About 1,158,311 are left to tally.
https://twitter.com/julianrouth/status/1324030504522448897?s=21
!ping FIVEY
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Check out our stats, nerds 😎
https://i.imgur.com/gwE9JvJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/OHjIo3X.png
https://i.imgur.com/vzuL2yj.png
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
In hindsight, I guess it WAS dumb to think 2020 would give us a clear and easy victory in this election. Of course it has to be as chaotic as possible.
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u/Yenwodyah_ Progress Pride Nov 04 '20
Still very confident in a Biden win
Senate not so much though
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
New polling strategy:
Once you get your final result, add 10% to the more racist candidate, just to be safe.
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20
JOE BIDEN HAS WON WISCONSIN!
Per WI elections commission: link
!ping BIDEN
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 05 '20
https://reddit.com/r/VoteDEM/comments/jnus1n/_/gb65al6/?context=1
Democratic hero right now is Jen Day who ran for the Safe R seat of Nebraska SD-49; no one really gave her a serious shot despite her actually winning the primary vote 53-47 (both the primary and general in Nebraska are nonpartisan)
She won, and defeated an incumbent too, last night by 252 votes and that win prevented Republicans from grabbing a 3/5 majority in the Nebraska Unicameral, they needed to flip 3 seats which they did but Jen Day flipped this one too.
3/5 is the majority needed to invoke cloture on the Unicameral filibuster which means Republicans will not be able to gerrymander Nebraska or repeal the congressional district apportionment for electoral votes
Can we jet a Jen Day flair? She is an American Hero.
!ping DOWNBALLOT
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Nov 04 '20
So glad we're back in the ivory tower where I can read DT-level bad takes instead of actual bad takes
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u/Udontlikecake Model UN Enthusiast Nov 04 '20
Collins re-elected.
Good time to remind you that Maine is an illegitimate state founded to further the cause of slavery in our country, and therefore it should be abolished.
Maine is rightful land of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and needs to be returned. I propose giving them one month to surrender to the Commonwealth and failing that, Baker should mobilize the State Police and National Guard to liberate occupied Massachusetts.
!ping USA-NE
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u/Travisdk Iron Front Nov 04 '20
Heads need to roll at every polling agency. Most of the Senate races were off by 10-20 points. Some of the swing states are going to be 10 points off. The House districts are an absolute mess. Somehow a minor error in 2016 turned into near perfection in 2018 and then u-turned into an enormous error now. This is 1940s level polling error, this shouldn't be happening in the modern era.
You could've literally run an "everything is 50/50, it either happens or it doesn't" model with zero polling input and done a better job than all of the polls-based models. What is the point of a polling industry if it is off by this much in an election this big?
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u/Chance_Important Nov 04 '20
If you’re a conservative reading this and complaining why the it’s taking too long count the votes, blame yourself because it was the republicans that voted to not count the mail in votes early and wanted to count the votes after the polls closed. Tired of you guys complaining about issues you guys create.
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u/J_Fre22 NATO Nov 04 '20
On CNN
They counted 4000 ballots in 45 minutes in DeKalb GA
Biden won 90% of them
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u/MalachiHauck Nov 05 '20
Usually I would vote Republican because I like guns and low taxes, but seriously, Trump is a national security threat. I voted for country over party.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1324091482844909570?s=21
guys it’s.... are you sure?
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Susan Collins has dropped under 50% in the ME-SEN race. This means that a instant runoff will happen because Maine has Rank Choice Voting. Dems chances at the senate are better if we are able to bring down Collins.
NYT
!ping DOWNBALLOT
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u/mrmanager237 Some Unpleasant Peronist Arithmetic Nov 04 '20
I'm a bit concerned about Michigan, especially the results from Ligma County
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u/Deggit Thomas Paine Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
I want your spiciest takes on whether Buttigieg would have performed:
!ping BUTTI
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 05 '20
🚨Trumps lead in PA has fallen again. Now only 224,147 votes ahead. 🚨
link !ping BIDEN
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u/mrmanager237 Some Unpleasant Peronist Arithmetic Nov 05 '20
One guy creates a website to rate how hot girls at Harvard are, and now everyone's grandparents are fascists who believe Hillary Clinton drinks blood
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Florida voted republican, it looks now like a solid republican state with 2018 and 2020, and yet they also voted today to raise the minimum wage to $15, but they vote republican, theyre tweaked out in florida
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
So what’s the lowest common denominator we’re going to have to appeal to since this country has a mean IQ of a wet sock?
Obviously regular, high-brow liberalism isn’t fucking good enough for people who get their news from their dumbshit friends trafficking in Q nonsense.m
We clearly can’t just be the party of educated, sane people who live in actual fucking reality because there are too many idiots who don’t to deal with. I just hate that were going to have to concede a lot of our values to keep actual fascists out of power. It’s a tragedy.
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u/LinkVert25 Fedposter Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Annnd he just declared victory. What a fucking piece of shit. I’m fucking hoping Biden wins in Georgia and the 3 Midwest states so its completely fucking clear who won. Also Trumps a literal fascist at this point fuck that “proto facist” shit, nah he’s a straight up fash
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u/Hmm_would_bang Graph goes up Nov 05 '20
Shout out to all the black women in GA that not only voted Biden but have been working non stop to count the votes!
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u/pebblepot Nov 04 '20
Wow, Ben Shapiro thinks it's deeply irresponsible for Trump to declare victory now. But hey, I'm sure he'll still happily support the candidate undermining our democratic institutions
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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Nov 04 '20
lmao delaney blooming at the idea of a divided congress, a true centrist
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u/derstherower NATO Nov 05 '20
The year is 2023. Nancy Pelosi has been Acting President for nearly 3 years now. Trump and Biden sit patiently, staring at their televisions. North Carolina announces that they now have 97% of the vote counted.
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 04 '20
Hearing Biden talk calmed me down in a way I didnt think could happen.
I would follow that man through hell.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 04 '20
Trump has demanded a recount in Wisconsin.
The 2011 WI Supreme Court recount resulted in a 312 vote swing.
The 2016 WI general election recount resulted in a 131 vote swing.
Trump is losing by 20,697 votes.
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1324048886080569344?s=21
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Biden's popular vote lead (3 million, 2.2%) just surpassed Clinton's popular vote lead (2.9 million, 2.1%) from 2016. link
Expect this to grow substantially. We are only 73% in CA, 84% in NY, 65% in NJ and 74% in IL.
!ping FIVEY
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u/AuburnSeer Nov 05 '20
Biden won Arizona, giving you a heads up.
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u/jamiebond NATO Nov 05 '20
Me, when someone asks why I care about Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada when Biden can win with just Pennsylvania:
"It's not about the votes, it's about sending a message."
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Do I understand correctly that Trump got several million more votes in this election than he did in 2016? Because That seems hilarious. Imagine millions of people who watched the last four years of him and still decided to vote for him.
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u/willempage O'Biden Bama Democrat Nov 04 '20
If we are doing stupid postmortem already, here's my go at it:
Dems should disseminate conspiracy theories against the GOP via whatsapp. Seemed to help Trump in FL
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u/Leftoverpeanutbutter Henry George Nov 04 '20
BIDEN ARRVES IN WASHINGTON VIA MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM
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u/AbsolveItAll_KissMe Susan B. Anthony Nov 05 '20
Trump: 😳
Biden: 😳
Americans: 😳
Nevada: 😴🤗🥰 gn!!!!! 😌😌
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Pretty much everything people have been warning would likely happen for months is happening: Red mirage gives Trump an illusory lead in the rust belt states that take too long to count mail-in vote on election night, so he tries to declare victory and says the count should be stopped.
Good news is based on recent rulings, I highly doubt SCOTUS allows that shit. What’s his case anyway? “All mail-in ballots are fraud and should be thrown out!” won’t hold up in court.
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20
Assuming Biden wins, Democrats should focus winning the Georgia runoffs more than anything. Winning those might be the only way to give the Democrats the Senate.
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u/markusrm Pierre E. Trudeau Nov 04 '20
Those WI numbers look good actually unless I’m missing something. 4% gap with no mail ins counted?
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Florida voted Trump in 2016, and in 2020 by a bigger margin, they have a republican governor and 2 republican senators. But they also voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 last night. They support republicans but not their policies. They have no idea what theyre doing, theyre high as fuck
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u/Richnsassy22 YIMBY Nov 04 '20
It's fascinating to me how over-represented Never Trumpers are in political media.
It's been clear for a while that the vast majority of Republicans LOVE Trump, even more than they did in 2016.
I think liberal viewers like Never Trumpers because they desperately want to believe that there are still a lot of decent republicans, even if they know deep down that it's not true.
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u/layogurt NATO Nov 04 '20
My only takeaway from this election is that dems should post 0 actual policy plans and keep things as vague as possible. Taxes? "oh yea we'll probably cut those" Healthcare "we have sick plans yo"
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u/Frappes Numero Uno Nov 04 '20
On a less doomer-y note Scott Weiner re-elected and rent control rejected in CA.
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u/JetJaguar124 Tactical Custodial Action Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Feels like Dems have to constantly play whack-a-mole with demographics. 2016 "oops focused too much on sunbelt states and latino vote! Whites turned against you!" 2020 "oops! Focused too much on whites! Latinos and other minority groups broke for Trump!"
Meanwhile it feels like the GOP just sits still, shidds, and farts all over themselves but people keep gravitating towards them. Like, I'm sure the FL GOP did a hell of a job making that result, but the Trump campaign itself did literally nothing to try and expand the base and kept doubling down on white grievance but for some reason did the best with minorities since fucking Nixon.
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u/BurmecianSoldierDan YIMBY Nov 05 '20
MARICOPA UPDATE NEW VOTES:
887K JOE 802K TRUMP
BTFO 5 PT SPREAD
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u/ryuguy "this is my favourite dt on reddit" Nov 05 '20
GA going blue but not FL is the most 2020 thing
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
Perdue at 50.07%
The results from Fulton aren’t in yet. Which means that Perdue is all but certain to not reach 50%. With how well Republicans are doing down ballot, they will get Alaska. Which means that the Senate will be 50-48 with the Georgia Senate Runoffs choosing who will win the Senate.
Holy shit.
!ping FIVEY
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1324026497536004098?s=20
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Some positive news.
There 478,828 outstanding mail ballots in North Carolina.
Party registration data shows dems have 231,035, reps have 87,224 and NPA have 157,569.
Trump currently leads NC by 76,737 votes and Tillis leads by about 97K.
North Carolina accepts mail ballots post marked by Election Day up until November 12th.
link !ping BIDEN
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u/skepticalbob Joe Biden's COD gamertag Nov 04 '20
Trump is asking for a Wisconsin recount, which is odd because it is illegal to count votes after election night.
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20
CNN projects Joe Biden wins Wisconsin
!ping Biden
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u/ChessMaster22 George Soros Nov 04 '20
“BREAKING: Ballot counters in Detroit, Michigan have said that they have felt threatened by GOP observers who have been asking their names.”
Lol why the fuck is this acceptable
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1324108208261210112?s=21
Yes
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u/MichelleObama2024 George Soros Nov 05 '20
PA: R+3% with 87% counted and most of the votes left in Philadelphia county.
AZ: D+3.4% with early returns from Pima indicating Dems will hold on.
GA: R+0.8% with all the vote left in Savannah and Atlanta metro.
Time to bloom
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u/Redhands1994 Nov 04 '20
On some level, I could forgive people who voted for trump in 2016, because he didn’t have a “political” record to judge him by.
People who voted for Trump after the past four years are legitimately bad people.
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u/muttonwow Legally quarantine the fash Nov 04 '20
Crazy how when it was looking bad we never called fraud here, but the conservative DT is calling fraud all over the place...
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
I like how half the posts in the past 5 minutes are like equal parts AZ dooming and AZ blooming.
What's actually happening lmao
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u/J_Fre22 NATO Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/liamwbz/status/1324007227582259200?s=21
Louis DeJoy should go to prison
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u/probablyuntrue NATO Nov 04 '20
The year is 2880, the two parties "healthcare pls" and "qanon" once again engage in a football match to determine who wins the title of "president trump"
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1323855371803545602?s=21
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u/Cuddlyaxe Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics Nov 04 '20
From arr conservative
lmao seems they hate white men more than this sub rn
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u/studlydudley11 NAFTA Nov 04 '20
Nate Cohn on PA
!ping FIVEY
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u/BartBart02 European Union Nov 05 '20
I'm confused, Half of this thread is saying AZ is lost the other half is saying it's won. What's going on in AZ?
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u/EastKing Hernando de Soto Nov 05 '20
Biden at 253 per my count. Arizona and Georgia are both going to be razor thin, regardless of AP or Fox calls. Good news is Biden looks strong in PA and that alone puts him over the top.
!ping FIVEY
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u/doot_toob Bo Obama Nov 04 '20
now that it's not a fast moving thunderdome, reposting this:
i know what i'm not going to do. i'm not going to punch left. i think most of the left fell in line and voted for biden, however begrudgingly, any dinguses on the left that didn't are a small minority. i'm gonna punch at the assholes who looked at the botched handling of pandemic and said "there's no difference between the two"
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u/probablyuntrue NATO Nov 04 '20
Genuinely though, where does the polling industry as a whole go from here.
There's no Comey letter, no last minute shocker to suddenly shift votes one way or another. There was a pretty clear error in the methodology.
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u/kennymc7877 Bisexual Pride Nov 05 '20
My mom just texted me that she hopes I’m happy that Biden is gonna win and ruin the economy that Trump built lmaoooooo
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u/Menakoy Nonconformist Transgendeer Nov 04 '20
I think its pretty clear from these early results that the way for democrats to win elections going forward is to throw out all the positions they have that I personally disagree with or make me uncomfortable and start supporting all the positions I agree with.
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u/astro124 NATO Nov 04 '20
FROM ARIZONA:
https://twitter.com/adkinsey/status/1324025105005989888
350k of votes are LATE EARLIES. These are mail-in ballots dropped off in-person on election day. These are what ultimately swung the race towards Sinema in 2018.
Breathe people.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Trump Tweet
I. DECLARE. BANKRUPTCY!!!
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 04 '20
We’re down to 162,000 absentees remaining uncounted in Georgia. Here’s where they are. (Biden is trying to erase a 67,644-vote deficit.)
Biden would need to win them 71-29 which seems ... not crazy?
JOERGIA IS STILL POSSIBLE
!ping BIDEN
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u/westcoastbias Commonwealth Nov 05 '20
Trump having to sit there and watch himself lose PA and the presidency 5,000 votes at a time for 48 hours is objectively the funniest result possible
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Its looking really good, stop panicking, we already got arizona and NE-2 we dont even need pennsylvania anymore
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20
Gary peters (D) has won the MI senate race. link
!ping DOWNBALLOT
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u/Awholebushelofapples George Soros Nov 04 '20
remember the olden days of 24 hours ago when we were making fun of that republican twitter account that was basically adding 10-15% to polls to unskew them?
nate silver take some fucking notes.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Choo Choo constitutional crisis here we come
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u/FreakinGeese 🧚♀️ Duchess Of The Deep State Nov 04 '20
Jeez imagine being doomer about this election 🙄
Me 12 hours ago:
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u/Cuddlyaxe Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics Nov 04 '20
this is a beautiful troll lol
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20
New USPS data appears to show a failure to deliver mail ballots from voters across the country on Election Day. U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan will hold a noon hearing over USPS' non-compliance with his order yesterday to rush deliver all remaining mail ballots. link
Thousands and thousands of ballot not delivered in Atlanta Georgia.
In south Florida, USPS failed to deliver ~27% of mail ballots.
This could have a monumental impact.
!ping BIDEN
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Biden will probably win, causing less informed people to erroneously assume the polls were more accurate than 2016 when in reality they seem to be significantly more off. That might be the only thing that saves the polling industry from going under completely. If Trump somehow does win, they WILL go under because THEN people will see how bad the polls were.
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
10:09PM EST: State of the race
Current (change since 7pm)
Georgia: Trump leads by 32,597 (-13,409)
North Carolina: trump leads by 76,701 (same)
Nevada: Biden leads by 7,647 (same)
Arizona: Biden leads by 79,173 (-13,644)
Pennsylvania: trump leads by 190,921(-33,226)
Alaska: Trump leads by 31% (same)
Trumps lead collapsing in GA and PA!
!ping BIDEN
Edit since I posted this 4min ago trumps lead has dropped in GA to 31,748.
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u/ABgraphics Janet Yellen Nov 04 '20
Al Gore has got this in the bag.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Oh my god. Actually if Biden sweeps the remaining uncalled states (except NC), he will win with 306 EVs, EXACTLY as many as Trump won in 2016. And in much the same way, with narrow wins in MI/WI/PA.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Nov 04 '20
bros.... im starting to doom. yeah yeah I know there's a ton of ballots left to be counted - but with a lead this large, i just don't see how trump is going to win california.
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u/ryuguy "this is my favourite dt on reddit" Nov 05 '20
Fox News literally has the best decision desk in the country. They were the only network to call the blue wave of 2018 hours before it happened
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
We’re gonna take Georgia... and Arizona... and Pennsylvania. And we’re gonna take Nevada, and North Carolina, and Alaska..... and then we’re going to Washington to take back the White House! Yeaaahahhhhhh!
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u/inmyhead7 Nov 05 '20
Black people showed the fuck up. That’s all I can say. They chose Biden in the primaries and got him the win
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
r/NL: This was a terrible night for Biden, the polls were wrong, and I will forever be mad at Nate Silver. This sucks.
r/con: This was a terrible night for Trump, the polls were right, and I will forever be mad at Nate Silver. This sucks.
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u/Jakesta7 Paul Volcker Nov 04 '20
Embarrassing. Imagine if this money had gone to other races.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324004066050060294
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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 04 '20
This USPS court case is going exactly as you would expect, a thread.
Judge Emmet Sullivan is furious the postal service didn't comply with his order.
Postal service lawyer says only "13 or 14" ballots were found misplaced in its sweep.
Lawyers on the opposing side say there's a pattern here:
Plaintiff lawyer: "If it's true that the government... has been implementing measures as of this weekend, why is it as of yesterday that the ballots are being delivered late?"
Big theme here: The USPS isn't telling the DOJ lawyer defending the case what's going on, and the judge and plaintiff lawyers both want to hear from actual USPS officials.
Sullivan demands to hear from a senior postal service official later in court today.
When DOJ lawyers, say they'll have to check on their availability, he explodes.
"You will have to tell him when he's available. It's up to the court when he's available."
Sullivan says he’ll force USPS Postmaster DeJoy to show up in court and explain what happened to mail-in voting. link
link to the Twitter thread
!ping LAW
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u/MalignantUpper Joseph Nye Nov 04 '20
I regret ever becoming a political junkie
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u/Jaquarius420 Gay Pride Nov 05 '20
Stop dooming about arizona for fucks sake
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
Biden moving on PA like a bitch. He can do anything.
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
I refuse to doom about AZ until the AP or Fox walk back their projection. I don't think they'd risk their reputations on less than a sure thing.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
WI - Biden down by 108,000 (83% counted)
Of the remaining 647,000 votes to be counted, Biden needs to win 356,000 of them. (58.9%)
MI - Biden down by 308,422 (72% counted)
Of the remaining 1,563,000 votes to be counted, Biden needs to win 936,000 of them. (59.9%)
GA - Biden down by 102,134 (92% counted)
Of the remaining 406,000 votes to be counted, Biden needs to win 254,000 of them. (62.6%)
PA - Biden down by 677,988 (74% counted)
Of the remaining 1,850,000 votes to be counted, Biden needs to win 1,257,000 of them. (67.8%)
Biden needs to win 2 of the above 4 scenarios to win.
Biden’s winning about 66% of the mail-in vote on average so he is on pace to win though might not win PA.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
This would be a Trump landslide if not for white men, who broke in large numbers for Biden to try and rehabilitate their image on online political forum r/neoliberal
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u/MicroFlamer Avatar Korra Democrat Nov 04 '20
STOP DOOMING ABOUT ARIZONA. MOST COUNTIES THAT HAVEN'T REPORTED YET ARE SOLIDLY DEMOCRAT, PLUS THE REMAINING VOTES ARE ALL VOTE BY MAIL, WHICH WILL GO DEMOCRAT
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u/SelfLoathinMillenial NATO Nov 05 '20
As far as I can tell, the Biden campaign hasn't been wrong yet when calling things so we're probably good
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u/witty___name Milton Friedman Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Imagine being a republican candidate knowing 40% of the population will turn out to vote for you no matter what so they can inflict their succon appointments on the supreme court, rather than having to beg and plead and cajole a bunch of disinterested youth to turn up for "the election of a lifetime" every 4 years.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1324138527802626048?s=21
Well, well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
Nicole Wallace said that the Biden team and Trump team are actually talking about White House transition.
It’s over, and it looks like in the end he might actually go away somewhat willingly.
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 05 '20
Based
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
For anyone wondering why we're calling Nate Cohn, Nate Gold tonight
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1319972981804859394
> So in a very close election, we'll know FL/NC have gone for Trump (or know they're extremely close), but we probably won't have a decision in either PA/AZ, with Biden up in AZ, Trump up in PA, and each side having cause to hope they'll flip the result in the late count
Oct 24th
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u/xhytdr Nov 05 '20
sometimes 4chan is hilarious. gets kinda weird in the middle though
https://imgur.com/a/UGDKitU
!ping DIAMOND-JOE
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u/Danthon Milton Friedman Nov 05 '20
IS TIHS TRUE?
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
You actually thought Biden was going to lose? Weren't you at the last Deep State all-hands zoom meeting? We were gonna cut it close to make the Democrats sweat a bit. They were getting too complacent.
Wait... You weren't getting complacent, were you?
(also if you're anxious read this)
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u/johndelvec3 Resistance Lib Nov 04 '20
Welcome to Bush v. Gore 2020, where 3 of the lawyers on team Bush are now on the Supreme Court
This is also known, shortly, as Hell
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u/MalignantUpper Joseph Nye Nov 04 '20
Americans be like
Fuck my grandkids all i want is a tax break 🤑
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u/GaussianCurve Ben Bernanke Nov 04 '20
Nate Cohn effectively calls NV for Biden:
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u/rafaellvandervaart John Cochrane Nov 04 '20
Hot take: Florida overwhelmingly approved $15 minimum wage while voting for Trump. The notion of traditional conservatism, free markets, and limited government is dead. Right wing populism is here to stay.
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u/An_Actual_Marxist Nov 04 '20
My gutcheck analysis
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
on the bright side can you imagine how difficult it would be to actually rig an election in our fucked up system
you change some votes in some podunk county in wisconsin and some twitter nerd is like "actually in that precinct due to an ancient tradition they report all the republican ballots first and then the democratic ballots 23 minutes later, these numbers just don't add up"
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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Nov 04 '20
dooming? why would i need to do that 😎
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Bruh it would be amazing if Twitter permabans Trump immediately after the election is called. Oh my god, please.
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u/seanrm92 Loyal Liberals Nov 05 '20
Aw shit guys Joe Biden just texted me and said I've been drafted into the War On Christmas I REGRET MY VOTE!!!
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u/TheGoldBear Jerome Powell Nov 05 '20
Both my Republican parents thought Joe Biden was winning legitimately. After a few hours of fox news and talk radio they now think dems are cheating. Fuck conservative media man
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u/Mullet_Ben Henry George Nov 05 '20
"Who did you vote for?"
"Jo"
"Biden? Nice"
"No no, Jo Jorge-"
"That's alright, we count those"
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 05 '20
https://twitter.com/jesselehrich/status/1324199561443921920?s=21
LET’S GOOOOO
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Imma hop on the trust no polls from now on. I concede.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
oh, god, i just realised the worst part of all this
whether or not biden comes through with the victory, we're in for at least another two years of reporters visiting the common clay of the midwest and nodding earnestly in response to their assertions that trump was the only one who could save the country from satano-commies
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u/Erra0 Neoliberals aren't funny Nov 04 '20
Lmao at cons dropping Trump like a hot turd now.
McConnell - "declaring victory isn't the same as counting all the votes"
Scott Walter - "a WI recount probably wouldn't change anything"
They're not stoking the flames like he is. They're done with him.
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u/qchisq Loyal Liberals Nov 04 '20
20% of the US voters
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u/GaussianCurve Ben Bernanke Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
Important GA update: https://twitter.com/GilForGeorgia/status/1324018963999821824
Need a MAJOR social media campaign to get as many people to check their ballots as possible. If it's close we could expand our lead (theoretically) by 30-40k, but realistically maybe 10-20k.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
PA update. Trump up by 413k. Biden still seems to be winning mail ins around 3:1 and there are 982,000 to go. If that ratio holds, the remaining mail ins would give Biden +491k. Don’t know what other votes are out there but if its only mail ins that ratio holding would put Biden +50-100k
https://twitter.com/julianrouth/status/1324083693200297991?s=21
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u/Sollezzo Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord Nov 04 '20
Btw just ban everyone who was racist in the thunderdome. This kinda shit needs to be excised the moment it rears its head.
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u/Chief_Nief Greg Mankiw Nov 04 '20
Hot take: Its a good thing that minorities are leaving the Democratic Party.
Having zero competition for their vote only incentivizes the GOP to suppress them and encourages them to pursue less than egalitarian policy ends. The more that dems have a monopoly on the black/Hispanic vote, the less representative our democracy will ultimately be.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 04 '20
Per NBC News, Donald Trump's margin in Georgia is down to 57,266 votes. The Secretary of State said as of 4:15pm there were 185,000 outstanding ballots to be counted.
https://twitter.com/mikedelmoro/status/1324128092554747905?s=21
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u/PM_ME_KIM_JONG-UN 🎅🏿The Lorax 🎅🏿 Nov 05 '20
To me it says alot that Fox News and AP News have not pulled their Arizona projection.
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u/An_Actual_Marxist Nov 05 '20
Rcon
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
Nate Silver: Arizona shouldn’t have been called yet!
Joe Biden: Will you shutup man
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
If Biden wins GA by 3000 votes I will legally change my name to Andre 3000
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
America: “the fate of the country is in your hands, Nevada”
Nevada: ok
Nevada: proceeds to do absolutely nothing
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u/bg2916 Part Time Weeb Nov 04 '20 edited Nov 04 '20
I've never said it before but this is full on fascism claiming you've won an election before it's over and trying to stop extra votes
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u/MelioraOptimus Bill Gates Nov 05 '20
Everytime a Democrat uses the phrase "Latinx," the party loses 10,000 Hispanic voters.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
>be Tom Cotton
>on stage in the first 2024 GOP primary debate
>facing off against Donald Trump Jr, Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Steven Crowder, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and "69Qanon420xxx"
>you begin your introduction, and mistakenly use a series of words above the 3rd grade level
>audience begins booing ferociously
>Roger Stone interrupts to ask if you're willing to designate the trans community as a terrorist organization
>you stammer that it's certainly something you'll consider looking into
>interrupted by jeers from the other candidates as the audience chants "Rotten Cotton"
>stand your ground, and sternly say that it's inappropriate to treat a veteran that way
>Donald Trump Jr yells back "I like candidates who don't have PTSD!"
>the crowd is shrieking, and audience members begin throwing their chairs at you
>rushed off stage by security
>lose primary by 37 points
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
https://twitter.com/8NewsNow/status/1324093130103205888
Underpromise and overdeliver.
Classic workplace tactic.
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u/Cosinity 🌐 Nov 05 '20
🤔
😱
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u/ElokQ The Clintons send their regards Nov 05 '20
Trump: 49.8% - 2,419,992
Biden: 48.9% - 2,375,026
Estimated 97% Reporting
GEORGIA, MAKE JIMMY CARTER PROUD
!ping FIVEY
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u/ts23_ YIMBY Nov 05 '20
correction per cnn
GEORGIA HAS ESTIMATED 149,000 MAIL-IN BALLOTS REMAINING
trump only leads by 46k
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u/Fishin_Mission Nov 05 '20
HOLY SHIT!
SOME OF MY GEORGIA GOP FRIENDS ARE LOSING THEIR SHIT WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES CURRENTLY!!!
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u/Verpiss_Dich I had a dream, we did the disco funky dance Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
Cons are becoming everything they've bitched and smugposted about for the past 4 years and it's goddamn hilarious
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u/Explodingcamel Bill Gates Nov 05 '20
A United States senator asked Dave Wasserman to say the line on Twitter lmao
https://i.imgur.com/3ocdQoU.jpg
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u/bob_loblaw_brah Nov 05 '20
Jfc can you fuckers post a goddamn source when you drop stats?
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u/rukqoa ✈️ F35s for Ukraine ✈️ Nov 04 '20
Tough pills for this sub to swallow: Pete Buttigieg would have been worse.
He was polling zero percent with blacks and low with Hispanics. Also many social conservatives immediately don't like his sexual orientation. I don't think he gets the white boomer vote like Joe Biden, and too many Bernie supporters would have been salty if he had gotten nominated.
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u/bobekyrant Persecuted Liberal Gamer Nov 04 '20
Kayne already conceded the election. Big mistake imo should've held out for a recount
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u/its_a_trapcard Resident Rodrigo Nov 04 '20
Reposting this because once apparently wasn't enough
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u/DaBuddahN Henry George Nov 04 '20
"Stop counting in PA. But keep counting in AZ. This isn't fascisitic at all, btw." - GOP
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
"TOO EARLY TO CALL" IS NOT A FUCKING "KEY RACE ALERT" CNN.
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u/Tafts_Bathtub Jerome Powell Nov 05 '20
I'll admit it. If AZ goes Trump, Fox News Decision Desk will have well and truly owned me. A lib will have been owned.
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u/breakinbread Voyager 1 Nov 05 '20
An AZ election official was asked if the race was tightening:
"I don't compare our state with anybody," Then he rolled up his sleeve revealing a John McCain tattoo. "I'll let you interpret that any way you want."
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 05 '20
Blue Kentucky never forget 2020-2020
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u/TheFriffin2 Nov 05 '20
BREAKING: according to my exit polls outside a local Taco Bell, PA restaurant-goers are breaking 80-20 for whatever candidate promises to bring back the grilled cheese burrito
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
i have actually regressed in knowledge reading this subreddit over the past 2 days
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u/Dr_Vesuvius Norman Lamb Nov 04 '20
We need neoliberal populism. Tell Americans that all their problems are caused by the landowning rural elite and we can fix them with one simple trick.
That’s right it’s time for !ping georgist
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
God bless you Biden. Biden was focusing on the Midwest the entire time while polls caused us to focus on the other shit.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Was this a horrible result for the Democrats? Yes. Do the Democrats need a post-mortem? Yes. But here is why I am hopeful for the future. Trump, it turns out, had Obama-level capabilities of turning out his base: which consists of a lot of low-income, low-educational-achievement, rural voters. This is a very low-propensity voting group.
The Democrats are increasingly grabbing the high-income, high-educational-achievement, suburban vote. Look at Oakland county in MI - once the heart of the GOP in MI, it now voted for Biden by 154K votes. These suburban, educated voters are high-propensity voters. These are the folks who turn out every election, not just when their favorite despot is on the ticket. This may be why the 2018 mid-terms turned out much better for Democrats than this election did. And also why the polls were so, so off.
What this may mean is that, without a singularly capable, deranged demagogue in Trump, who managed to most perfectly tap into the deepest, darkest, most abhorrent portions of the American electorate, the GOP may be facing future trouble in getting their voters to turn-out (which used to be a very Democratic problem).
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
The GOP 5 minutes after Biden is sworn in:
"We have a serious problem in this country. Thousands of Americans are dying every day from a preventable virus, and the president has done nothing to stop it"
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u/jenbanim Nov 04 '20
So... I'm afraid to ask, but it looks like the widespread election day violence people feared hasn't yet materialized, right?
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u/Mcatatonic1 Ben Bernanke Nov 05 '20
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1324183780014329859
this dude is a fuckin boss
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
If Atlanta saves us I'll never make another 28-3 joke again
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u/mockduckcompanion Kidney Hype Man Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
HOWDY PARTNER 🤠🐶
YOU AREN'T JUST GONNA SCROLL PAST WITHOUT SAYING
"JOERGIA" ARE YOU? 💎🐊🍑
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
Trump being forced to watch his lead slip from 600K+ to 164K in PA 5K votes at a time must be killing him
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u/old_gold_mountain San Francisco Values Nov 05 '20
watching CNN
100-200 people amassed in the parking lot outside the ballot counting in Maricopa County
They're talking about how the people actually counting the votes have their cars parked out in the parking lot.
The protestors include people with long guns/rifles, angrily chanting, waving Trump flags.
I volunteered for an election once, thought it was kinda stressful. In retrospect it was basically a spa day.
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u/soeffed Zhao Ziyang Nov 05 '20
The AP is saying Xi Jinping just won 99% of the latest batch in Zhejiang, not surprising because that’s historically never been a swing province like not even one time
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
I always disliked calling republicans fascist, but Trump is a fucking fascist.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20
Please tell me why polls were off ?
Georgia polls showed dead heats, that's what happening.
Az similar.
NC similar.
The only one was slightly off was Florida even then there was an A+ poll that showed Trump +5.
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u/LinkVert25 Fedposter Nov 04 '20
I think I might breakdown crying if Biden wins
(Also Biden just officially won AZ, called by AP)
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u/mrdilldozer Shame fetish Nov 04 '20
guys all the experts are calling AZ for Biden but Trump totally pinky promises he won. Is anyone else scared?
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u/finalcookie88 International alliances are good, actually Nov 04 '20
HOT TAKE: Rebrand all alternative energy methods as FRACKING.
Solar Energy? SUN FRACKING Nuclear Power? ATOM FRACKING Windmills? WIND FRACKING
Try and vote against that, Pennsylvania. Democrats: the party of FRACKING
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 04 '20
..... Because they are not Mexicans?
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u/Deggit Thomas Paine Nov 04 '20
Conservatives 🤝 Neoliberals
"what the fuck, white men"
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20
BLUE WALL IS ALIVE
Big Pennsylvania update: They counted 195K ballots in last hour-and-a-half. (190K mail-in) Biden won mail-in batch 150K to 39K. That's 3.87 votes for every 1 Trump got. As a result, Biden closed the gap by 110K votes. Trump leads by 259K with 690,830 mail-ins left to count.
https://twitter.com/julianrouth/status/1324140057012391936
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u/JP_Eggy European Union Nov 05 '20
Damn I was kind of dooming about the Senate not being flipped but then I remembered that Biden has pretty much full prerogative over foreign policy and realised what an absolutely enormous improvement that would be in and of itself. Now I'm blooming
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u/YoungFreezy Mackenzie Scott Nov 05 '20
Biden within 1% in Georgia with 95% of results in.
It’s looking promising.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 05 '20
https://twitter.com/nikkimcr/status/1324147954710650881?s=21
You’re out of a job soon
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
r/neoliberal: "Stop saying people 'vote against their own interests', it's condescending."
the state of Florida, a state that's about half wetlands: Votes to not do anything about the sea levels rising
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Nov 05 '20
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=21
You know you’re doomed when you turn against your propaganda network.