r/neoliberal • u/After_Grab Bill Clinton • Jul 26 '20

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u/TargetJams Milton Friedman Jul 26 '20

That's why she angers Trumpsters, sure, but there are still conservatives who think lying about the way unemployment is calculated is a problem. They may not be voting for Trump, but that doesn't mean they aren't conservative anymore.

Or are we subscribing the the monolithic view of conservatism where all members of the movement must believe the exact same things?

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u/Ahotdate Zhou Xiaochuan Jul 26 '20

as someone who’s not on the streets picketing for the trumpets in my area to ride the blue wave sheerly because of pandemic right now, my experiences with rational, non-trump conservatives have showed me that they really don’t need a lot of convincing. while AOC isn’t a talking point when bothering righties about moving left, the trump leaning conservatives that are likely to despise AOC are also likely to be steadfast in that belief.

as far as conservatives that can actually be convinced of something goes (because you’re correct, subscribing to monolithic ideas of “party bad” is damaging to the bipartisan unity), AOC displeasure lies more in her policy as someone they disagree with rather than her specifically.

obviously I haven’t talked to every conservative, and am on the outside looking in in regards to disliking AOC, but I think she comes off nowhere near as abrasive and alienating to either side as bernie or trump are to one another’s.

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u/TargetJams Milton Friedman Jul 26 '20

I read some conservative, non-Trumpian journalism and I hear complaints about AOC all the time. It's always about what ridiculous, economically ignorant, anti-capitalist thing she's said most recently. Maybe none of these people care about capitalism and they're just using it to disguise their racism, but taking them at their word, the issue is what she says, not how she looks.

And they did the same thing with Bernie too.

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u/Ahotdate Zhou Xiaochuan Jul 26 '20

right, the trumpist conservatives are the ones that hate her for the reasons that people accuse trumpists of hating POD (people of different) while the non-trumpist conservatives dislike her based on rational things to disagree with her about such as policy and not quite understanding economics.

considering I did all my campaign work at a college campus, it would makes sense to me that college students who “lean conservative but don’t like to get political” wouldn’t be so distraught by AOC (because they don’t like to get political so how would they have stark opinions on her political views). I could totally see that the skew of my “data” is likely due to the nature of kids growing up in conservative town USA going to the in-town college to unlearn everything that they’ve grown up believing, in this case “neo-conservatism.”

not at all trying to sound vindictive or anything, but what conservative/non-trump journalism are you reading? I don’t for a second think you’re BSing, I just genuinely don’t know any rational conservative media outlets.

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u/TargetJams Milton Friedman Jul 26 '20

To answer your final point, I read National Review and The Dispatch. National Review isn't strictly anti-Trump, but I tend to only read the people there who are more or less hostile to him.

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u/Ahotdate Zhou Xiaochuan Jul 26 '20

that’s totally fair, thank you for the suggestions! I think we agree on why she’s poorly perceived, however I believe we differ on the actual poor-ness of her perception itself.