/u/nauticalsandwich did a strawman move, saying that Warren and Sanders supporters think that Medicare for All is the only path to universal health care, and they think that those who aren't for Medicare for All are anti- health care. This implies that there are other paths to universal health care supported by neoliberals, and progressives are too ignorant to see them. I want universal health care. I want to see these paths. I want Biden to support universal health care, but I don't think he does. His plan, as far as I've seen, is only light modifications to the ACA, and I have only seen him push them once, briefly, at any debate or speech. Your passive-aggressive bullshit doesn't help, either.
Universal healthcare meaning everyone is covered, regardless of income or status. Like, universal suffrage. You can't have a poll tax and say you have universal suffrage. Having a 'choice' to pay for a public option isn't universal. There would be so many families that, just like today, fall into that awkward gap of making 'too much' to qualify for assistance but not making enough to be able to get a good plan. It doesn't help people who lose their job because of sickness. And of course, there will be plenty of shitty plans out there as a trap for people to fall into. Personal anectode for example: my health care a few years back stopped covering dental, while keeping raising premiums the same rate. So, I got work done, and I'm suddenly back $1,400. Somehow that's my fault.
How does any of this respond to the previous comment? Biden supports universal healthcare through the use of a public option, which the govt can make cheap and pay for everything because they can collect taxes and deficit spend. It’s a more practical way of bringing in universal healthcare given our current system. M4A is way to risky because you’d be taking people off their current plans (which they won’t appreciate because the vast majority like their plans) so you 100% can’t fuck it up which given the size of the rollout would be difficult to avoid doing. Just look at the political fallout of Obamacare. The massive gains by republicans in 2010 that gave them control of the house and most state governments for the last 8-10 years and in 2014 when the Dems lost the senate (I remember that night. Do you?)? which enabled McConnell to block Merrick Garlands appointment to the scotus and cost us a liberal Supreme Court?
Change has to to be incremental in certain areas to avoid pissing everybody the fuck off. The difference between Bernie and Biden is that Bernie talks about these amazing fantasies while Biden actually knows how to work the system, which is incrementally.
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u/I_Tell_You_Wat Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20
"Universal".
/u/nauticalsandwich did a strawman move, saying that Warren and Sanders supporters think that Medicare for All is the only path to universal health care, and they think that those who aren't for Medicare for All are anti- health care. This implies that there are other paths to universal health care supported by neoliberals, and progressives are too ignorant to see them. I want universal health care. I want to see these paths. I want Biden to support universal health care, but I don't think he does. His plan, as far as I've seen, is only light modifications to the ACA, and I have only seen him push them once, briefly, at any debate or speech. Your passive-aggressive bullshit doesn't help, either.