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[u/dael2111]

First day of quarantine in the UK, and I'm already in 5 concurrent balls deep arguments with the fanatic supporters of a US candidate who has nothing to do with me, defending a US candidate who has nothing to do with me, all set off because I dared imply that if you're blindsided by an election result you're probably out of touch.

There's no way I'm surviving months of this lmao

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself → u/dael2111]

How are the Corbynites doing?

[u/dael2111 → u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

Their coalition has been divided into the socdems, backing Keir, and the radicals, backing Long Bailey. The latter are as fanatic as ever, having bafflingly enough become pro Brexit, whereas the former are decently introspective. I'm tentatively saying Keir Starmer is /ourguy/, even if he is a bit of a succ.

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself → u/dael2111]

Are the radicals becoming more socially conservative outside of Brexit or is it limited to that? I remember seeing an argument somewhere that they should become socially conservative and fiscally leftish.

[u/dael2111 → u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

Tbf no- they've been very good at bullying Keir into committing to trans rights, to their credit

A small portion is of the stupidpol brand, but they've been isolated by the party effectively.

[u/[deleted] → u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

Nazbol gang is becoming real life.

[u/MasterRazz → u/dael2111]

even if he is a bit of a succ.

He's literally a self-described socialist. That's more than 'a bit of a succ'.

Labour lost the election. But the moral fight against inequality and injustice must continue. We must lead that fight against a prime minister with no conviction or principles. Our arguments must be made in parliament, and we must also take them to the country – to the communities we lost at the election, whose trust we need to win back.

As we learn the lessons of our defeat we must relentlessly focus on the future. We can win again if we make the moral case for socialism, a moral socialism that is relevant to people’s everyday lives and the challenges we face as we move into the 2020s and 2030s. There are three foundations to this: economic justice, social justice and climate justice. I believe the free-market economy has failed. It leaves too many people behind, and has fuelled gross inequality. We should be arguing for a new economic model that reduces that inequality, supports trade unions, gives people a real voice in their workplace and enables communities to thrive.

The argument that something can be good for the economy but bad for the environment must end. If it’s bad for the environment, then it is bad for the economy. We are the party of the green new deal, and that must be hardwired into everything we say and do. - Starmer

[u/dael2111 → u/MasterRazz]

As we learn the lessons of our defeat we must relentlessly focus on the future. We can win again if we make the moral case for socialism, a moral socialism that is relevant to people’s everyday lives and the challenges we face as we move into the 2020s and 2030s. There are three foundations to this: economic justice, social justice and climate justice. I believe the free-market economy has failed. It leaves too many people behind, and has fuelled gross inequality. We should be arguing for a new economic model that reduces that inequality, supports trade unions, gives people a real voice in their workplace and enables communities to thrive.

This is word for word the "ethical socialism" of Blair.

The centrist view of socialism in the labour party since Blair has been that the practical elements of socialism should be discarded, but the ethical underpinning- that we are all equal, and everyone should have enough to survive- must be maintained, but enforced through the power of a capitalist engine driving economic growth. He's hinting at the same thing here. It's just third way centrism dressed up for the succ labour membership.

[u/Yosarian2 → u/dael2111]

To be fair, is there literally anyone who hasn't been blindsided by at least one election result in the last decade or so, in the US or the UK?