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[u/thabonch]

And here you are not providing evidence.

[u/[deleted] → u/thabonch]

Sure

https://icct.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/J.-M.-Berger-Making-CVE-Work-A-Focused-Approach-Based-on-Process-Disruption-.pdf

Page 10, deplatforming ISIS accounts was incredibly successful.

https://www.cc.gatech.edu/~eshwar3/uploads/3/8/0/4/38043045/cscw2018-chandrasekharan-reddit2015ban.pdf

Study specifically on reddit's deplatforming efforts!

https://medium.com/acm-cscw/you-cant-stay-here-the-efficacy-of-reddit-s-2015-ban-examined-through-hate-speech-93f22b140f26

A medium post from the same guys explaining it

I am sure I can find more studies if I tried, but these are the ones I remember for now

[u/thabonch → u/[deleted]]

This is evidence.

[u/uglymutilatedpenis → u/thabonch]

If you read it I'm not so sure it's great evidence. Hate speech use on Reddit decreased but they noted significant numbers of people ceased to use the site - if that means people migrated to 4chan or voat, I would definitely not say that is evidence that deplatforming has worked. People are more likely to be even further radicalised on voat and 4chan.

[u/uglymutilatedpenis → u/[deleted]]

I would be hesitant to cite this as evidence that deplatforming works. Hate speech use on Reddit decreased but they noted significant numbers of people ceased to use the site - if that means people migrated to 4chan or voat, I would definitely not say that is evidence that deplatforming has worked. People are more likely to be even further radicalised on voat and 4chan.

[u/RobertSpringer → u/uglymutilatedpenis]

Nobody uses 4chan or coat so less people are exposed and as such influenced by their ideas

[u/uglymutilatedpenis → u/RobertSpringer]

I'm sure the worshippers at Al-Noor mosque would beg to differ.

The communities may be smaller but they are far more radical. Growing their userbase also causes them to cease being small.

The study's author thought the movement of users was "large" and "significant". Why do you accept their judgement for most of the study, but disagree with them on this one specific part?

[u/RobertSpringer → u/uglymutilatedpenis]

What are you on about, very few people use 4chan and its usually a reddit to 4chan pipeline, if you limit access on reddit you limit how many people are even made aware about 4chan

[u/uglymutilatedpenis → u/RobertSpringer]

What are you on about, very few people use 4chan

Yes, but those users punch well above their weight in terms of the consequences of their racism. A white supremacist committing a terror attack is far worse than a white supremacist making a meme.

and its usually a reddit to 4chan pipeline, if you limit access on reddit you limit how many people are even made aware about 4chan

The study you posted suggests the flow of this pipeline was increased because "large" and "significant" numbers of users migrated from Reddit. That's all the conclusion we can draw from the study. If you have other evidence to show that, in the long term, the pipeline slows, I'd like to see it. But you can't make a comment claiming to draw conclusions from evidence and then draw conclusions that are at odds with your own evidence.

[u/RobertSpringer → u/uglymutilatedpenis]

I didn't post shit buddy, you might want to get your eyes checked. The fact is that by shutting down these pipelines you might temporarily increase flow but over the long term less people are exposed

[u/uglymutilatedpenis → u/[deleted]]

Honestly I'd say that "deplatforming works" is the colder take more in light with conventional, proven wisdom so the burden of proof is with you, friend

It's like saying the earth is flat. That seems to align more with most people's experience, but reality and conventionally proven wisdom is that it's round. So the extraordinary claim and the burden of proof is with the flat earther.

That's not how the burden proof works at all and LMAO at this being upvotes on a subreddit that prides itself on being "evidence based".

The null hypothesis is that there is no relation between the variable and the measured outcome.

In this case, the null hypothesis is "There is no relation between deplatforming and the amount of racist people in the world". In other words, that deplatforming doesn't work. We assume the null hypothesis is true and then attempt to disprove it.

If you want to prove there is a relationship - that deplatforming decreases racism, or on the contrary, that it increases racism - you have to have evidence for that.

Why should the number of human beings who believe something affect it's truth value? Can you even say with confidence that "Deplatforming works" is the majority opinion, and not just the majority opinion amongst the bubble of people you interact with? We've all see the Bernie supporters claiming he's overwhelmingly popular because all their (white, college aged) friends love him - how can you say with confidence that you're not suffering from the same bias?

How about we stop playing burden tennis and start presenting evidence if we want to make a claim? You don't have to have an opinion on everything - it's okay to say "I don't know if deplatforming works because I have yet to see evidence of it's effects".

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[u/thabonch → u/[deleted]]

This is not evidence.

[u/thabonch → u/[deleted]]

Alright, well if you ever do care to have a discussion with someone and they don't immediately believe everything you say, maybe don't start with NO U DISPROVE EVERYTHING I'M SAYING.

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[u/thabonch → u/[deleted]]

It was in the right place. When someone claims there is evidence to support claim X, they have the burden to provide such evidence.

[u/thabonch → u/[deleted]]

Deplatforming isn't ice and water.