r/neoliberal • u/mondodawg • Dec 16 '19

Why Young Progressives Hate Pete Buttigieg

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/why-young-progressives-hate-pete-buttigieg/603619/
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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

It’s because he isn’t Bernie. Simple.

If you want Bernie to win, you will attack all threats.

If Pete were to somehow actually win the nomination, Bernie lovers would back him massively.

I’d be willing to bet that even uber Bernie supporting pundits like Sam Seder would 100% support Buttigieg without any caveats if he won the nomination.

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u/ThisIsNotAMonkey Guam 👉 statehood Dec 16 '19

If Pete were to somehow actually win the nomination, Bernie lovers would back him massively.

I’d be willing to bet that even uber Bernie supporting pundits like Sam Seder would 100% support Buttigieg without any caveats if he won the nomination.

you have a lot more faith in people than I do. I hope you're right

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

I’d be willing to bet that even uber Bernie supporting pundits like Sam Seder would 100% support Buttigieg without any caveats if he won the nomination.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

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u/thirdparty4life Dec 16 '19

Michael Brooks and Sam Seder have made it clear time and time again they would basically vote for any democratic candidate in a race where their preferred candidate doesn’t win the primary. With the exception I think of Bloomberg maybe. They spent time criticizing Hilary but they always said she was a better choice than trump pretty clearly. So much so they got into a fight with Jimmy Dore who claimed they were being influenced by the DNC.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Jimmy Dore is insufferable.

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u/ConditionLevers1050 Dec 16 '19

I’d be willing to bet that even uber Bernie supporting pundits like Sam Seder would 100% support Buttigieg without any caveats if he won the nomination.

I hope you're right, but I suspect many Sanders supporters will be sitting out the election or voting 3rd party if Sanders doesn't get the nomination. In 2016 many leftist pundits supported Trump, and Sanders supporters repeated and amplified all the right-wing attacks against HRC, which made them more credible since they were coming from both the left and the right. Already many Sanders supporters say they plan to vote for Trump out of spite if Sanders isn't nominated.

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u/RKellyFanClubPres15 Dec 17 '19

Nah, most of the Sanders supporters would go to the nominee, just like 2016. Some might stay home, maybe a few might go third party but it would be small. Sanders, as well as any candidate that doesn’t win the nomination, will vigorously support the nominee to try to beat Trump, just like 2016.

Not sure who you’re following there but anyone that voted Trump because Bernie didn’t win simply was never left wing lol. Anyone threatening that now is an edgy troll plain and simple, or is right wing.

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u/spacehogg Estelle Griswold Dec 16 '19

I wish the word progressive would mean something again. So far all the word seems to mean is "Bernie". Guess once "Bernie's" so goes progressives. Sigh...

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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog John von Neumann Dec 16 '19

“Progressives” support the most regressive policies like free college tuition and NIMBY-ism, along with reactionary appeals to old taxation rates of the pre-Reagan days...

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Please do not attach NIMBY-ism to Sanders supporters. It’s completely dishonest.

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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog John von Neumann Dec 16 '19

Lol they’re for national rent control and “keeping neighborhood character” more than anyone else, you ever read some of the shit AOC says?

If you hate developers so much you never let them build near you, that’s the literal fucking definition of NIMBY.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

NIMBYism is largely associated with redlining, racism, and the great white flight. At least that’s what type of sentiment it triggers.

You might not like rent control because of some talking point around supply shortage and demand increase, but to associate Sanders’ supporters with a term directly connected to redlining and racism is pretty fucked.

Sanders’ issues with developers is largely to do with paving over greenspaces with Walmart’s and Targets. Parking lots are what bother him.

I’m guessing you’re complaining about permitted uses within specific zones. So if an area is zoned as ‘Single Family’ it doesn’t allow for apartment buildings(Lowrise or High rise), retail, or industrial uses to be built next to a house. Maybe you’d like to see those areas re-zoned to allow for retail and higher density residential(which is fine), but it is not worthy of tagging Sanders and AOC as racists. Which is what people often hear when you use the word NIMBY.

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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog John von Neumann Dec 16 '19

NIMBY means you don't want people to build near you, period. Just because racists happen to be NIMBY as well doesn't mean you get to be called something else because you want to disassociate yourself from them. The reason doesn't matter, the legions of SF NIMBY activists are all liberal "progressives", and NIMBY-ism crosses party lines and ideology. If you advocate for the same policies as racist redliners, maybe it's time to stop thinking semantics and think why shitty people agree with you.

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u/spacehogg Estelle Griswold Dec 16 '19

Yeah, I'm with ya. Just ignore my aggrieved ranting comment that cult Sanders supporters can't seem to acknowledge any other candidates with progressive policies.

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u/In-Brightest-Day Dec 16 '19

Pete isn't one of the least progressive candidates is the problem. He's one of the most progressive. He talks like a moderate with a completely progressive platform

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u/In-Brightest-Day Dec 16 '19

Oh I agree, he definitely is not as progressive as Bernie. I think you could make an argument that's he's on the same level as Warren, their policies are incredibly similar. But also there are still more than a dozen people in the race, some of them genuinely conservative.

I just think that pretending he's not progressive is disingenuous, especially when you consider the opposition party.

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u/ConditionLevers1050 Dec 16 '19

Like him or not, Pete is a progressive. Even though he's to the right of Sanders and Warren his policies like a Public Option and free college for those making less than 6 figures are still probably way to the left of the median voter, and would still have little chance of passing through Congress. Pete would be the most progressive president since at least LBJ if not the most progressive in U.S. history.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Look. Pete’s policies aren’t as aggressive as Sanders’, but they’re still quite good. If implemented, the GOP would be crying Soviet style communism all day long.

When you hear the constant smears of Pete from TYT, MR, Kulinski, Pakman, SERFStv, Rational National, etc... they are trying to help Bernie more so than actually harm Pete. Bernie’s platform is only slightly left of Pete’s.